DSSL/MJ Facts: The Evidence Redux
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The word Redux is often used quasi-humorously to mean that a process has been repeated without being improved. One of our old oppositions has been posting several updates to a “new and improved version” of their site. The most recent contributors is someone that is convinced that Michael was guilty and has submitted a story to MJ Facts once again listing all of the reasons that this person believes the allegations against Michael Jackson are true. Here we are again with the same old tired list of “The Evidence”.
The writer gives us a list that Michael Jackson fans and defenders have heard all too often that led the writer to believe that Michael Jackson was guilty. The contributors list is as follows.
1. Nude books of boys- These are the two books seized by police in 1993.Their titles are Boys Will Be Boys and The Boy: A Photographic Essay- They were entered into evidence on May 5th,2005 just prior to the testimony of Wade Robson.
2. The Semen of two other men was found on the bed
3. Testimony of Blanca Francia.
4. Testimony of Larry Feldman and Stan Katz
5. As Len puts it the nail in the coffin- The description was a match.
So here we are once again refuting all of these nonsensical claims. It isn’t like we haven’t done this before because we have, several times as a matter of fact on VMJ. As a matter of fact there were no less than four entries on VMJ explaining the description alone. There were three on the semen evidence and a summary of Blanca Francia, Larry Feldman and Stan Katz can be found on this blog as well but I guess that wasn’t clear enough.
This time I am writing it and I stopped thinking this was a matter to be handled delicately a long time ago. So the first entry is going to take that proverbial nail out of that proverbial coffin. Here it is for the last time.
”The Description” Redux
Soon after Michael Jackson died I was on The Official Michael Jackson Forum. People that were interested in the allegation against him in 1993 were talking about the body search, photos and that they did not match. Most fans on the site were quoting the one article that was published. It was a small short article that said that the description didn’t match. That was all they had.
I made a statement at the time saying that I thought I knew what the discrepancy was and said that I believed that we would find out that Michael was not circumcised when the official autopsy results were release. I remember when the autopsy came out and it showed that he was uncircumcised. Some fans on there posted their amazement that my prediction was correct and wondered how I could have known that.
How did I know that? Well, it’s simple, I am a nurse and if it’s one thing I do know its anatomy and physiology. All nurses have to go through the same training. That training is like a “boot camp” of sorts where you start at the bottom and work your way up step by step. Because of that have given a multitude of bed baths including pericare and placed an equal multitude of French Foley catheters throughout my career. I know what the male genitalia look like and how they work. I also know that in an autopsy on a male circumcision vs intact is a defining feature of male anatomy. And to all you guys out there that say it is a match or are hesitant when it comes to this question, guess what I know about you.
Then came an article on The Smoking Gun. It was titled . This was put up on The Smoking Gun January 6th of 2005 and Gawker wrote about it as well. It had a brief excerpt talking about a splotch and it said he was circumcised. It also states that the Chandler’s OFFERED the description as proof.
Along come the MJ detractors. They came from far and wide proxy servers, like Topix, MJ Facts and DSSL to tell us that they had found a court document where Tom Sneddon swore that it was a match. They said according to the document sworn by Sneddon the police had asked for a description of Michael’s “erect penis” and that it would look the same as an uncircumcised penis. They have no limitations because I have even had one try to tell me that Judge Melville agreed it was a match and gave me a three line quote from the transcript for evidence. I attempted to correct the error by stating the obvious.
1. A Judge is not allowed to opine about evidence presented.
2. A judge must remain neutral.
3. A judge determines the admissibility of the evidence not the veracity of any evidence presented.
4. Because here in the USA it is THE JURY in a Jury trial that is the finder of the facts.
The judge did not “back up” Sneddon’s claim he can’t and I know this because I have had the dubious honor of being called to jury duty 10 times whether I like it or not. Guess what else I know about Tom Sneddon, besides the fact that he was an overzealous and vindictive prosecutor. He doesn’t know foreskin at all.
They continued to argue this point of circumcision with MJ defenders even using the premise that they say no one has heard what his description was for sure because it was never made public. It was or have you forgotten The Smoking Gun? No? Still don’t see it? Fine, here you go. I will show you what that description should have been by listening to Jordan Chandler.
The first thing that I read was the Psychiatric interview with Dr. Gardner. The interview with Dr. Gardner was on October 6th 1993 in New York. It was detailed account of the activities that Jordan Chandler said occurred between Michael and him in 1993. In this account he says this from page 26:
“I don’t know but I can tell you where.”
“Where did it take place?”
“In my father’s house, his Hideout, my mother’s house, and Neverland.”
“Okay, so these are four different places, so obviously it had to happen at least four times. Right?”
“Oh yeah, of course.”
“But I want you to give me a guess – – ”
“Okay. More than fifteen, that’s safe. But he had me masturbate him.”
“On how many occasions?”
“About ten. And he said that – – he had me – – he got me to twist one of his nipples while I sucked on the other and he masturbated himself.”
Now one would expect under those circumstances that Jordan had seen and felt Michael’s penis a minimum of 11 times.
Now let’s move ahead to Jordan Chandler’s Declaration given on December 28th 1993. When you read through it there is actually nothing that would lead one to think that he could give a description. What happened I thought? What happened to the reciprocal touching that one would expect to see because that is what perpetrators expect is gratification from a "returned" touching.
The other thing that I know about victims is that it is incredibly rare for young male victims to exaggerate or embellish the abuse. They are far more likely to minimize it and not be forthcoming about the full extent of it than they are to add things that did not happen or that could be proven not to have happened.
What happened that made this part disappear? Well, Michael Jackson was presented with a search warrant for an examination and photographs of his nude body including genitalia, that’s what happened.
IF Jordan Chandler had done what he said he did in the Psych interview he would have seen this:
Scroll down to see video on lower right side.
Sometimes, a picture is worth a thousand words isn’t it? Jordan should have said Michael Jackson was uncircumcised and Michael would have been arrested because it was a match and the evidence they were looking for with the search warrant would have been found. He would have seen and felt what foreskin does under the conditions that were first listed.
You can tell that their side knew that it wasn’t a match because they had Jordan give another statement excluding any incident that might lead to a description. They were the ones that for years focused on a “spot” that would have moved all over the place and they did that to divert attention away from the obvious. Michael Jackson was not circumcised. Jordan was wrong and he had to omit some very crucial points in the first statement so you can rightly question any other statement he makes after that.
I know that some will ask why this post was even necessary and I have asked myself the same thing for a long time. I asked because I am quite aware that the contributor of the piece written on MJ Facts was a frequent commenter on DSSL.
Which has me puzzled because DSSL had the same link to the same video since late 2010. Didn’t the writer for DSSL share the information with her readers? Or was that when the spin started?
Coming up next…. The Books
To be continued
May 9th, 2005 Trial Analysis: Francin Contreras, Gayle Goforth, Violet Silva, Ramon Velasco, Joseph Marcus, Part 4 of 4
Silva was asked to further clarify the directive from ranch manager Joe Marcus to refer to the Cascio family as “Tyson”:
May 9th, 2005 Trial Analysis: Francin Contreras, Gayle Goforth, Violet Silva, Ramon Velasco, Joseph Marcus, Part 3 of 4
Next, Sneddon repeatedly questioned Silva about Frank Cascio, his professional and personal associations with Jackson, the time period that he started using the alias “Tyson” (insinuating that Frank had a nefarious motive for using the alias), etc.:
May 9th, 2005 Trial Analysis: Francin Contreras, Gayle Goforth, Violet Silva, Ramon Velasco, Joseph Marcus, Part 2 of 4
After returning from recess, Sanger questioned Silva several security scares at Neverland, including an incident where a crazed fan was caught trespassing, and made it past all of the elaborate security measures! This fan was ultimately found on the top floor of the main house!
May 9th, 2005 Trial Analysis: Francin Contreras, Gayle Goforth, Violet Silva, Ramon Velasco, Joseph Marcus, Part 1 of 4
The next defense witness was Francin Contreras, a former Neverland employee who worked at the ranch from 1991 through 1993. She was subpoenaed to testify in order to refute the testimony of Adrian McManus, who claimed to have witnessed Jackson abusing Macaulay Culkin in 1993.
Contreras testified that McManus always spoke good about Jackson, and never confided in her that she witnessed any inappropriate sexual contact by Jackson towards any child. She also testified that she observed several stolen items from Neverland at McManus’s home, including watches, clothes, and toys that were meant for underprivileged children.
May 6th, 2005 Trial Analysis: Joy Robson, Chantal Robson, Marie Lisbeth Barnes, and Karlee Barnes, Part 2 of 2
The next defense witness was Karlee Barnes, Brett’s sister. She began by describing how her family met Jackson for the first time; just imagine if the world’s biggest superstar called you on the phone out of the blue!
But before I get to her testimony, here’s a summary of her interview with Jackson’s private investigator S. Ross on April 30th, 2005:
Karlee described how Jackson and her family sparked a friendship through a series of phone calls over several years, and they gleefully accepted his invitation to spend Christmas at Neverland in 1991. During their first night at Neverland, she and Brett stayed up all night in Jackson’s bedroom suite, watching movies and playing games, while their mother slept in a guest unit. Karlee slept in Jackson’s bedroom suite numerous times throughout the years, although she never shared a bed with Jackson. She denied the possibility that Jackson could have molested Brett because he wouldn’t want to return to Neverland if he had been molested. Overall, she and her family were happy to be friends with Jackson, and were more than willing to defend him in court. (You can read a more detailed summary of her interview in this document, which the prosecution filed in order to prevent her and Chantal Robson from testifying due to their “lack of knowledge” of the alleged molestation of their brothers: http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/050505motexcllmttest.pdf)
Here’s the beginning of her direct examination by Mesereau: Read more…
May 6th, 2005 Trial Analysis: Joy Robson, Chantal Robson, Marie Lisbeth Barnes, and Karlee Barnes, Part 1 of 2
Wade Robson’s mother and sister, Joy and Chantal Robson, respectively, testified for Jackson’s defense, and vehemently denied having any suspicions about Jackson’s behavior with Wade, or any other child. A summary and analysis of their testimonies can be found in this post, and this post.
The next defense witness called to the stand was Marie Lisbeth Barnes, the mother of Brett Barnes. Here are her recollections of how and when her family met Jackson, and the nights her children spent in Jackson’s bedroom during their first visit to Neverland. In fact, Lisbeth was invited by Jackson to stay in his bedroom suite, and initially stayed there, but went back to her guest room after a while. Jackson’s invitation to Lisbeth to sleep in his bedroom suite with her children was antithetical to the prosecution’s assertion that he always tried to separate parents from their children: