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Fact Checking Michael Jackson’s Christian Faith, Part 1 of 7: Michael was NOT a Devil Worshipper!

December 25, 2011

As a lifelong fan of Michael Jackson, I thought that I had seen and heard every nasty, disgusting, and despicable comment about him that exists in the English language, but I was wrong! A few months ago, I stumbled upon a video of a Christian pastor bashing MJ in a horrible way, and his “research” was filled with lies, innuendoes, and tabloid gossip. I was baffled at what I heard, and I quickly decided to write a rebuttal to him. While doing my research, I decided to expand my rebuttal to include other attacks against MJ from the religious community, whether they’re from religious websites, bloggers, etc., and whether it’s from Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc. Nothing could prepare me for the things that I read and heard about MJ from people who espouse “love thy neighbor” in one breathe, and then turn around and call MJ a “child molesting, plastic surgery freak!” in the next breath!  Sometimes I didn’t know if I was reading a religious blog, TMZ, or Topix (a popular forum for MJ haters)!

Don’t believe me? Look at the excerpt below from a Christian blogger, written shortly after MJ’s death, in response to what Gospel artist David Pack said about MJ (Pack’s words are in blue):

A few thoughts before I begin. Clearly the hangers-on are climbing their way out of the closets and shadows, grabbing at whatever spotlight they can. David Pack is one of them. Who in the world is David Peck? He says at the PDL website:” David Pack is a Grammy winning recording artist, producer, and music director.  A member of Saddleback Church, he works with Rick Warren on special projects, including the PEACE Plan and AIDS & Worship Conferences. ” I.e., a washed-up has-been and name dropper who found a second career (I mean purpose) with Ricky Warren).

David Pack, whom most of us have never heard of, clearly fell “victim” to “evangelical easy believism” and hasn’t a clue about the Gospel or salvation nor the cults. His tribute to Michael Jackson (MJ) reads nothing short of sentimental drivel. Read what he said (my response is in italics):

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During that special evening, I felt the need to share my faith with him, to let him know that another Christian artist was sitting next to him. So when he whispered, “How can I ever thank you for this wonderful night?” I said, “Michael, I didn’t put this together, God did!” He said, “Oh yes, I believe that with all of my heart.”

Another Christian? MJ was a JW, a cult member, NOT a Christian. John 8 says that unless you believe Jesus Christ is God, you will die in your sins. JW’s outright deny He is God. What Jesus is Pack declaring to be the true one?

I told him I was a Christian, and he said he was, too. We talked about the first Christian song we’d both heard as children: “Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so. Little ones to him belong, they are weak but he is strong.” With the dinner party loudly going on around us, we both quietly leaned in and sang the song, smiling like choirboys. “Yes, Jesus loves me. Yes, Jesus loves me.” Then we gave each other a short embrace. I knew at that moment that this sweet-spirited young genius was going to find his eternal peace in heaven. I did not find Michael weird, messed up, or anything you’ve ever heard about him….

Singing a song about Jesus gave Pack assurance this cult-member was going to heaven? Truly this is pathetic. This is exactly what is wrong with American “Evangelicalism”! A self-centered child’s song is somehow the standard by which to KNOW one is going to heaven?? What, MJ found his purpose with that song? So typical, any mention of “Jesus” and people call you a Christian. If this is Pack’s standard to call himself a Christian, the guy needs to hear the Gospel NOW!

And what’s even more telling is that Pack didn’t see MJ as weird. THAT in itself is WEIRD. That tells me Pack has a few skrews loose.

I believe that during his trials he related to the suffering of Christ, and prayed for intervention, because he was being accused over what he loved most—children. This caused him perhaps more pain than anything in his life.

Ok this makes me GAG. How in the WORLD can he possibly compare a child molesting freak to Jesus Christ? It sounds like Pack hasn’t a clue about who Jesus even is! Jesus did not suffer for doing wrong. He suffered for being GOD! That ain’t what MJ was on trial for. This is truly twisted and perverted.

If there’s anything that gives me peace during this moment of loss, it’s knowing that one of the greatest artists of our time is now moon-walking along the gold paved roads of heaven, where streets have no name, with a broad smile on his face, and a band of angels welcoming him home.

Oh please! Moon-walking? David Pack’s view of heaven, like his god, is man-centered, fleshly and temporal and has nothing to do with the Biblical Heaven with the Biblical God! I think ol’ Pack has heard one too many Roman Catholic ideas of heaven and angels, if you ask me. Pack has a false sense of peace, but he GAVE a false sense of peace to MJ too.

End quote.

Is this guy serious?? Jackson a Christian? Moonwalking in heaven? Someone give me a vomit bag QUICK! I’m going to be sick!!!

MJ was well known for being a JW his whole pathetic life (he accused his father of abuse and his father forced the kids into show business, was a drug user and child molester), and then a few years back, thanks to Germaine, he converted to the Nation of Islam.

Clearly MJ had no clue about the real Jesus Christ, salvation, nor The Gospel found in Scripture. What’s so annoying is that neither does Pack.

That attitude towards MJ was displayed by many Christians in the days and weeks after his death, and it even inspired MJ blogger Bonnie Cox (herself a devout Christian) to start her blog.  Here is an excerpt from her blog where she describes the horror and shock that she felt after she saw what a Reverend had to say about MJ on Facebook:

End of July 2009 – The Awakening

Sometime after the Fourth of July holiday, I was reading over my new newsfeeds on my Facebook page. One of my longer term friends had posted an update on his page that caught my eye. It was a remark he made about Elvis and Michael Jackson. This is what started all this, my awakening if you will.

I read the post and read it again. What it said (and I did not copy this) this person had watched the t.v. special “The Two Kings” and he was enraged that they were comparing Elvis to Michael Jackson.

He went on to say that he thought there was NO COMPARISON (yes, he used all caps) between Elvis and Michael Jackson, that Michael Jackson was a (painful to write) “freak of nature” and a “Pedophile”.

I stared at this comment and could not believe he had posted that. The anger was a growing, festering entity within me. First, I was shocked that someone like this person could blindly call someone names like this after vilifying the press and their lack of integrity over political issues. The second thing that really enraged me was that this guy is a REVEREND! Yes, a man of the cloth.

Before I thought better of it, I pounced to reply to his comment, “What are you doing? You don’t know this man? You’re going to believe everything the press has to say NOW? Why? You know he was found innocent! You’re supposed to be a man of GOD! Would Jesus treat him like that?”

He replied back of course, with similar arguments using O.J. Simpson as an example of someone who was found “innocent”. By the time I had received that reply in my email notification, 20 other people had also jumped on this thread to comment. MOST of them were in support of Michael, but some were not.

Later on in her post, she said the following:

After completing the 60 Minutes Interview with Ed Bradley (took place in 2005, after the second accusation), I just put my head down on the desk and cried. The same type of tears I cry when the news runs a special report on the rescue of some severely abused or neglected animal. I felt absolutely filthy inside.

I was beyond angry. I began writing down on paper what I wanted to look for: Interviews, depositions, appearances, fans, speeches, awards, etc . . . everything I wanted to search for.

I wanted to know Michael Jackson. I wanted to know why he was such a target.

I wanted to know what compelled people to do this to ANY human being, let alone him.

I wanted to know why someone who professed God so much in just about every interview, could not seem to find any peace . . . or the love he was looking for.

I wanted to know Michael’s pain. I don’t know why, but I did. I felt if I got to know his pain, I would know him and what drew people to hurting him.

Did you notice how she mentioned how the reverend had routinely bashed the media for their political coverage (I assume he’s a conservative who thinks the media is too liberal), yet he all of a sudden believed EVERYTHING that they said about MJ?

One thing that anyone who knows me can rest assured of is that if there is negative information anywhere about MJ, I will refute it, whether it’s from liberals like Gloria Allred, conservatives like Andrew Bretibart, established professional “journalists” (and I use that term very loosely) like Diane Dimond, online bloggers like “Vanity Goddess”, or dedicated MJ hate sites like MJ Facts Info.  All of those aforementioned people have had their reasoning and logic torn to pieces on this blog, and this series will be no different. My rebuttals to attacks on MJ from the religious community will be no different than my rebuttals to attacks on MJ from the legal community (such as Nancy Grace and Sunny Hostin).

Before we get started, let me discuss what this series will and will not do: This series will show the attacks against MJ from the religious community, and my rebuttals will immediately follow. I will debunk all of their arguments against MJ, such as “If MJ had God in his life, he would have sung Gospel music exclusively, he wouldn’t have had any problems in his life, and would have been normal!” by showing many Christians who have had problems of all kinds in their lives, despite their pious public images.  This series will also show many Christians who have shown their love and support for MJ, both before and after his death.

There’s a very pernicious mentality about MJ that has permeated the religious community, and that is the notion that God would have made MJ “normal” had MJ known and worshipped him, and he wouldn’t have “bleached his skin”, or “had sleepovers with young boys”, and he wouldn’t have been a “drug addict”, and he wouldn’t have “butchered his face”, or the other usual crap that is said about MJ. Ultimately, this mentality says that if MJ had known God and had Christ in his life, he’d still be alive! (As if Christians never die an early death!) Here are a few examples:

This video from a pastor who says that if MJ had a relationship with God, he wouldn’t have died early, and mocks MJ by using the names of many of his songs to judge him at the end(but I’ll give him credit for not judging his salvation, as many people in the church have done, and still do!):

The following is an excerpt from a blogger, who obviously felt that MJ wasn’t a humble person, which is astonishing because she claimed she was a lifelong fan:

Just think, if Michael had known Jesus personally throughout his career, maybe his life would’ve taken a different path (Proverbs 3:5-6). Perhaps he would’ve been happy with the way God made his beautiful, handsome face and not have subjected himself to years of unnecessary plastic surgeries that dramatically changed his appearance (Psalm 139:14). Maybe he would’ve listened to his closest confidants to seek healthier treatments for his insomnia, and his physical and emotional pain instead of allegedly abusing prescription drugs that led to his addiction (Jeremiah 17:14; Acts 9:34). Perhaps Michael would’ve made better financial decisions to keep himself out of tremendous debt (Proverbs 22:7; Romans 13:8a). Maybe he would’ve listened to warnings about having sleepovers with young boys (Proverbs 11:14; Ephesians 5:15,17). Perhaps he wouldn’t have been so lonely (Psalm 25:16; Psalm 34:18; Hebrews 13:5b). Maybe he would’ve received peace for his tortured soul (Psalm 23:2-3a; Matthew 11:28-29).

Perhaps he’d still be alive!

“My son do not forget my teaching, but keep my commands in your heart, for they will prolong your life many years and bring you prosperity” (Proverbs 3:1-2 / NIV).

Life Lessons

Some of the lessons we all can learn from Michael’s life and shocking death is that our lives are in God’s hands (Psalm 139:16b), and He gives all of us life here on earth for only a season (Ecclesiastes 3:1-2). But what a glorious season it can be if we walk according to His will and His ways. Michael was truly blessed. He had an unusually lengthy season as an extraordinary entertainer and humanitarian that spanned four decades. Four decades! But like all seasons under heaven, Michael’s came to an end — albeit a tragic one.

We learn from Michael that life is precious, and life is short (Psalm 144:4; Psalm 90:12) and that we need to live our lives with purpose, humility and wisdom. 

That last sentence of hers implies that MJ did not live his life with purpose, humility, and wisdom, which is an extraordinary assertion for her to make, considering that she never met the man even once!

Here’s another example. This author of this article condescendingly titled it “Michael Jackson’s Real Legacy”, as if he knows anything about MJ to even say that!

It seems to me that he was on a perpetual search for happiness and just couldn’t find it. He built Neverland but it never brought him the happiness that he so desperately longed for. Nothing could. Bubbles couldn’t. Elizabeth Taylor couldn’t. Sold out arenas couldn’t. Hundreds of millions of dollars couldn’t.

He looked for it in the Jehovah’s Witnesses but there was nothing but legalism behind that hollow door of religion. He tried to find it in cosmetic surgery but all he could find was disfigurement. He even tried (and succeeded) in changing the color of his skin. But the white Michael Jackson seemed just as miserable as the black one…if not a little more.

The poor guy couldn’t even think back to the “better times” of his childhood. Why? Because, according to him, even these memories were not good. In one interview he said that when he was a kid he would literally puke when his father entered the room. That’s how terrified he was of his own dad. According to Michael he never had time to play but only to practice. His dad was too busy pushing him and his brothers up the music charts to be worried about Michael having any kind of normal childhood.

Not only was his childhood ruined but, according to many, he ruined some childhoods himself. Whether the allegations are true or not we will probably never really know. What we do know is that the accusations, the court mayhem and the financial payoffs added to the craziness and emptiness that defined the later years of Michael Jackson.

I wish Michael Jackson could have met the real Jesus, not the rule mongering, anti holiday, party pooper Jesus of The Watchtower. I’m talking about the Jesus of the New Testament. I really wish the King of Pop would have met the King of kings. Jesus would have quenched his thirst (see the woman at the well), healed his hurts (see the ten lepers) and changed the color of his soul not his skin. The King of kings could have given Michael a reason to sing and dance (see all the Gospels.)

He claims that MJ was never happy because he “didn’t have Jesus”, but the reason that MJ wasn’t happy was due to the false allegations that plagued him in the later years of his life! He didn’t build Neverland strictly for his own happiness (as I will explain later), but for the happiness of poor and sick children, and (most importantly!) their families!

Here is a comment from a close friend of mine about pastors who bash MJ in church, and after reading those 2 excerpts above, it’s easy to see why she feels this way! She wrote this in response to the pastor that I will refute later on in this post, and who inspired me to write this series in the first place!

As a non-Christian I will only say this: Michael Jackson was a lot better person than most of those Christians who judge him. It’s not statues and paintings those will make someone a good or a bad person. It’s how you treat people. And there Lewis and his like could learn a thing or two from him. For one, Michael didn’t judge others.

Why on earth some of these Christian preachers feel the need to hold a sermon featuring Michael at all? How will it add to the spiritual growth of their congregation to single out a man, whom you never knew personally, and publicly judge him and bash him and call him all kinds of names? Sorry, but it’s no better than what tabloids do and it seems like he needed Michael’s name to somehow spice up his sermon, which is pathetic. It really is like gossiping in the disguise of a sermon.

Well said! After watching numerous religious leaders bash and trash MJ, I feel those sentiments exactly!

My friend and fellow MJ blogger Raven Woods (author of the “All For Love” blog) has very similar thoughts on this issue. Here is a note that she wrote on Facebook after reading what was said about MJ in an article titled – you guessed it! – “Would Jesus Have Made a Difference in Michael Jackson’s Life?” It was printed in a Christian magazine that was dated July 2009:

I was at the Laundromat this afternoon and, bored while waiting, started to browse through some of the magazines. Most of them are pretty outdated. Well, out of curiosity, I happened to pick up an issue of “The Message” which, from what I gathered, is a Christian magazine, though I’m not sure what denomination. But as I was flipping through, I saw a pic of young Michael with his brothers. Then I realized it was an entire centerspread on Michael! Apparently the issue was from June or July, 2009, and of course like so many publications during that time, they felt compelled to run a “tribute.” It’s still mind boggling to realize what a truly global impact Michael’s death had, one that compelled even country music stations to play his songs in tribute, and Christian magazines normally devoted to articles on Biblical scripture to pause a moment to reflect on this extraordinary life. Nervously, I proceeded to read the article, expecting the worst, because by now I’ve come to know all too well how most “Christian organizations” view Michael Jackson-you know the rote. Either as a pedophile and false idol at worst, or a measly pop star unworthy of adoration at best. I figured the article would take one of those approaches, probably lambasting the world’s outpouring of grief as indicative of humanity’s misplaced priorities, but I was pleasantly surprised. The article was mostly balanced and, I thought, pretty fair overall, but there were still some issues that bothered me. The article portrayed Michael mostly as a tragic victim-a victim of fame, of an abusive childhood, of failed marriages, of accusations leveled against him (of course, you knew they would mention that, but how could they not! Those charges, fairly or not, became forever linked in the public’s consciousness with the name Michael Jackson). It occurred to me as I read the article that there are two false extreme perceptions the public has of Michael Jackson. He is either viewed as a complete monster and freak, or as “The Victim.” Of course, neither is accurate. He certainly wasn’t a monster, but I think this tendency to reduce him to nothing more than the clichéd’ “Victim of Fame” is just as damaging. Both extremes do one thing-they deny him of his humanity and his complexity as a human being. It also bothered me that an entire centerspread article on the passing of Michael Jackson, especially in a Christian magazine, of all places, made no mention whatsoever of his enormous humanitarian contributions. But what bothered me most (even if albeit well intentioned by the writers) was the question, “What difference could Jesus have made in Michael Jackson’s life?”

In other words, had Michael “known Jesus” he could have surely been saved from the demons that plagued him, and the loneliness that consumed him! My immediate response to that was, “And how do you people presume to know what Michael’s relationship with Christ was? It was rumored that Andre Crouch had said that Michael received Christ three weeks before his death, although in a recent article he denied the rumor, but did say that Michael had asked about the anointment of Jesus. However, as a Jehovah’s Witness Michael had been deeply religious all of his life (even if sometimes conflicted). I got the feeling that this was simply yet one more way of passing judgment on Michael-of the person he was, and the life he lived, and the fan adoration he had for most of his life. But who are they to pass judgment on what Michael’s relationship with Christ was? Do they know? I doubt it seriously.but like so many, they have no problem with judging a man they never met, or reducing him to a level just this side of caricature. So while the piece wasn’t as horrible as I feared, it still left the tang of an unpleasant taste. Unfortunately, I think Michael will always be one of the most misunderstood and misrepresented persons ever written about.

It’s a shame when you read about MJ in a religious magazine or blog, and you’re surprised when they write positive things about him, but unfortunately that is the exception, and not the norm. I encountered this myself each and every time I went to a Christian website and did a search of “Michael Jackson”, and read through the dozens of hits that would come up. I had to mentally prepare myself to read and listen to all of the lies and condemnation that was hurled at him by a bunch of pious, self-righteous, judgmental, holier-than-thou hypocrites who hide behind religion, and use it as a shield as they cast stones while living inside of their glass houses! If only THEIR lives could be exposed to the masses every day, and judged by their peers!

And did you notice how those aforementioned articles were written under the assertion that MJ “didn’t know” God? It’s utterly amazing how the authors could literally be an armchair quarterback and come to that conclusion by skimming over MJ’s life, despite having never known him!

Many Christians say that MJ would have been “normal” had he known God, but what if MJ really was “normal”, and instead of building Neverland to host sick and underprivileged children, he built his own version of the Playboy Mansion and used it to have wild, drug filled sex parties with porn stars (just like Hugh Hefner)? What would these same religious leaders say about MJ then? What if MJ regularly went clubbing and bar-hopping, and got involved in many alcohol-induced barroom brawls? What if he had multiple children out of wedlock with the many groupies who threw themselves at him throughout his career, and didn’t pay child support? What if he was in and out of drug rehab for recreational drugs that he used for pleasure, such as cocaine or marijuana?

However, this series will NOT focus on religion, in and of itself, and any criticisms I level at the people I refute is strictly based on what they said about MJ, and nothing else. I am 100% neutral on the views that they express in the sermons and blogs that I will link to, so please know that I am not endorsing or opposing anything that is said by them.

And let me say this: no matter how “religious” or “spiritual” someone is, no matter what title they have earned, no matter how many years they spent at their seminary, or how many Bible or Torah or Quran verses or sermons they have memorized, they are still human beings who are capable of making mistakes, and it’s not blasphemy to call them out and correct them when it is called for. For the liberal readers of this blog, did you agree with everything that the late Rev. Jerry Falwell said in his lifetime? Of course not! To the conservative readers of this blog, do you agree with everything that Reverends Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson say? What about President Obama’s former pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright? Of course not!  They’re entitled to their political views, and so are you, and you shouldn’t feel intimidated when it comes to challenging them, and I certainly don’t feel intimidated when it comes to defending MJ against any religious leader (or ANYONE for that matter), especially when their criticisms are rooted in their own misconceptions about the man that are influenced by the tabloid media!  If everyone let religious leaders go unchallenged, then women and minorities wouldn’t have the civil rights that we have today, because people have used religion as a means to enforce slavery, segregation, and discrimination against women (such as forbidding them the right to vote or own property). For example, the Ku Klux Klan – which happens to be a Christian organization – has used the Bible to justify their hatred of others, but nobody is afraid to criticize them as the idiots that they are!

In this post, I will refute several rabid MJ haters who have attacked MJ from behind the pulpit (and when you see the tone of their rhetoric, you’ll know why I used the term “hater”). In future posts, I will show MJ’s spiritual side, prove that he wasn’t a devil worshipper, show how his accusers lied against him despite their claims of “spirituality”, show examples of many Christians hypocrites who many would have used as good examples of how to live, and most importantly, your faith in humanity will be restored when I showcase the Christians who have defended him! (Just wait until you see the pastor who apologizes to God for attacking MJ!).

With that being said, let’s get down to business!

I recently saw a YouTube series by a pastor named G. Craig Lewis, who claims that MJ was a Satanist who idolized Aleister Crowley, who was an occultist who inspired the Beatles, Ozzy Osbourne, and Led Zeppelin.  He also said that MJ was a “corybantes”, which were castrated men who worshipped the goddess Cybele through song and dance. I included the links to the first 2 parts below, along with some “highlights” of each part (Part 3 and 4 of his sermon will be refuted in part 2 of this series):

Let’s annihilate his lies one by one!

When he bought the Beatles anthology so he could channel Aleister Crowley through it, he stole your heart“. ” This isn’t true at all! He bought the Beatles catalog on September 6th, 1985 because he knew it would be an appreciating intangible asset, no different than someone who buys stocks on Wall Street! I notice how I said he BOUGHT the catalog, and did not STEAL it, as that lie has been leveled at him ever since the transaction was finalized! Let’s look at what MJ’s attorney John Branca, who negotiated the purchase, had to say about MJ’s acquisition of the catalog, beginning at 3:30:

Branca confirmed that MJ bought it after first seeking Yoko Ono’s (the widow of John Lennon) and Paul McCartney’s permission, which they happily granted!

Corybantes: they had their hair dressed and waved like women. They were heavily made up, their faces resembling white washed walls. They were castrated and keepers of children or infants.” In the video above, you can see how he tried to juxtapose a photo of MJ with a photo of a corybantes in order to prejudice his audience against MJ. By having the photo of MJ onscreen while describing the corybantes as (for all intents and purposes) effeminate, he was trying to say that since MJ had those characteristics, he was a corybantes! I’ll rebut this trash by saying, first and foremost, MJ was NOT physically or chemically castrated! That myth was debunked in this post, which was written by my fellow MJ bloggers Seven Bowie and Nikki Allygator (who also wrote this amazing piece debunking the gay rumors).  That rumor started from jealous haters who said that he had himself castrated and took female hormones in order to maintain his high-pitched voice, when in fact he was a natural tenor!

As you can see from the photo below, MJ could grow a beard if he wanted to, and that would be impossible if he was castrated and without testosterone:

Listen to his voice at 0:37, and ask yourself does that sound like someone who is devoid of testosterone in his body?

And look at the photo below, and tell me that looks like someone who is physically castrated!

The makeup that MJ wore was due to his vitiligo, which was caused by the autoimmune disease Lupus (which we discussed in detail in this post). Had he not wore makeup, his skin tone would have been very uneven and splotchy, and he would have been ridiculed even worse than he was!

The wigs that he wore later on in his career were due to his hair falling out as a result of lupus, and the huge bald spot resulting from the 3rd degree burn he suffered while shooting the Pepsi commercial. Had he not worn a wig, he (once again) would have been subjected to even more ridicule!

There’s a line in ‘We Are The World’ that’s so demonic that it’s hard to believe that folks sung this in their churches in celebration to Michael Jackson. Michael wrote this part….”

In this part, the pastor claims that a line from “We Are The World” is “demonic”, but it’s not a line that MJ sung! It was the following line sung by Willie Nelson: “As God has shown us by turning stones to bread“, and he may have written that himself. The song was re-worked from the original demo that was co-written by Lionel Richie, and sung exclusively by MJ. The lyrics are completely different in most parts, most notably the chorus where “we’re saving our own lives” replaced “we’re taking our own lives” because they didn’t want to be accused of glorifying suicide. Let’s listen to the original demo of the song, which was officially released in November 2004 on the Ultimate Collection CD:

People have tried to pin that line on MJ in order accuse him of devil worship, when Willie Nelson OR Lionel Richie very well could have written that line! And even if MJ did write that line, he surely didn’t do it with the intention of devil worship! Why do people like Lewis have to attack MJ over something that is so trivial and petty as a line in a song, given the fact that the man was a true humanitarian and obeyed the Gospel’s message of helping the poor and less fortunate! The song has earned $63 million dollars since 1985 (and was re-recorded by contemporary artists in January 2010 to benefit Haiti), and to me THAT is what should be emphasized, not that one line from the song!

There is a DVD called “We Are The World: The Story Behind The Song”, and it shows how the song was written and re-written until they got it right. For example, in the demo above, you hear the “sha-lum sha-lin-gay” hook, and it was rehearsed for the final song, but ultimately rejected for “One world, our children”. In the DVD, you will actually see them debating over whether or not those ad libs should be included! (It can be rented from iTunes, Blockbuster, or Netflix.)

He goes on to say that “Another Part Of Me” is a sign of devil worship due to the lyrics. Seriously.  “We’re sending out a major love, and this is our message to you, the planets are lining up, we’re bringing brighter days” is supposed to be a sign that MJ is also into astrology as well!  But the reason MJ had those references to planets and outer space is because the song was written for Captain EO, a movie that takes place on a spaceship!!!  It had nothing whatsoever to do with Astrology! Here’s a clip:

And the icing on the cake is when he said “Blame It on the Boogie” is a sign of devil worship!  But just to show you how poorly researched this series is, MJ didn’t even write that song! It was written by Michael George Jackson-Clarke, David Jackson, and Elmar Krohn, with the hope that it could be sold to Stevie Wonder! Here is the original version:

And here is Michael George Jackson with his son Sam talking about the making of that song, how the Jacksons came around to recording it, and the documentary they made about what the song did for them (which was, of course, recorded after MJ’s death). You can read more information on his official website.

Here is an excerpt from J. Randy Taraborelli’s book “Michael Jackson: The Magic, The Madness, The Whole Story”, where he describes how the Jacksons were forced to record “Blame It on the Boogie” by their record label:

When Michael Jackson set out to make his new solo album, he didn’t know what he wanted to be the final result. However, he knew what he didn’t want, and that was to make a record that sounded like a Jacksons’ album. From the start of his professional career, someone had decided the sound of Michael’s music. First, it had been Motown’s crack production staff and then the artist and repertoire executives at CBS/Epic. Though the family was given the freedom to write and ‘produce’ the Destiny album, Epic insisted that they record a song they didn’t write, ‘Blame It on the Boogie’. Other concessions and compromises were made along the way with the three albums for that label, and Michael never felt totally responsible for the results.

While Destiny’s hit single, ‘Shake Your Body’, re-established The Jacksons in the marketplace, many observers in the music business felt as Michael did, that the brothers had left their magic at Motown.

Lewis claims that Quincy Jones said that MJ loved the song so much that he danced in the streets after writing it, but Quincy Jones did not work on the “Destiny” album, which was released on December 17th, 1978! He didn’t work with MJ on any albums until “Off The Wall”, which was released on August 10th, 1979!  Sounds like this pastor did some “cut and paste” research! The quote that the pastor is attributing to “Blame It On The Boogie” was actually said about the song “Don’t Stop Till You Get Enough”! (I’m still searching for the exact quote from Quincy Jones about the song.)  Michael himself also said how the song affected him as he wrote and composed it:

During ‘Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough’ (which would become Off the Wall’s first single), Michael unveiled a playful, sexy falsetto no one had ever heard from him before. All of the right elements were in place on this song: an unstoppable beat, a meticulous, well-balanced delivery of lyrics and melody and a driving energy. Michael explained that he couldn’t shake the song’s melody when it came to him one day. He walked throughout the house humming and singing it to himself. Finally, he went into the family’s twenty-four-track studio and had Randy put the melody down on the piano (Michael can’t play).

When he played it for Quincy, it was a done deal: it had to be on the album.

I recently did a series of posts on the intellectual fallacies that MJ haters use when they try to tear down the superstar, and Lewis is using several of them. Can you guess which ones? In this example, he’s using the fallacy of “cherry picking”, which means he’s selectively choosing lyrics that “fit” his agenda, while IGNORING lyrics that refute it. So if he wants to use song lyrics to trash MJ, then I will use song lyrics to defend MJ! Two can play that game!

First, let’s look at the last verse of “Heal the World”:

And The Dream We Were

Conceived In

Will Reveal A Joyful Face

And The World We

Once Believed In

Will Shine Again In Grace

Then Why Do We Keep

Strangling Life

Wound This Earth

Crucify Its Soul

Though It’s Plain To See

This World Is Heavenly

Be God’s Glow

We Could Fly So High

Let Our Spirits Never Die

In My Heart

I Feel You Are All

My Brothers

Create A World With

No Fear

Together We’ll Cry

Happy Tears

See The Nations Turn

Their Swords

Into Plowshares

As you can see, MJ is encouraging everyone to “be God’s glow” by showing people God’s grace and love through their actions. The next group of lyrics that I bolded and underlined have flown under the radar of many fans, and many people don’t realize MJ’s inspiration behind them. The term “swords to plowshares” comes from the following two Bible verses: Isaiah 2:4 and Micah 4:3:

And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

That message of world peace in that verse is consistent with the message of “Heal The World”, and that is why MJ chose to include that in the lyrics. And MJ isn’t the only person to be inspired by that verse! There is a non-profit organization called “Swords to Plowshares” that is dedicated to helping the veterans of wars reintegrate into society and become productive citizens! Here is their mission statement:

Our Mission

War causes wounds and suffering that last beyond the battlefield. Swords to Plowshares’ mission is to heal the wounds, to restore dignity, hope, and self-sufficiency to all veterans in need, and to significantly reduce homelessness and poverty among veterans.

Founded in 1974, Swords to Plowshares is a community-based, not-for-profit organization that provides counseling and case management, employment and training, housing and legal assistance to veterans in the San Francisco Bay Area. We promote and protect the rights of veterans through advocacy, public education and partnerships with local, state and national entities.

Let’s now look at the lyrics for “Can You Feel It?”

All the colors of the world should be

lovin’ each other wholeheartedly.

yes it’s alright, take my message to your brother and tell him twice.

spread the word who tried to teach the man who is hatin’ his brother,

when hate won’t do

’cause we’re all the same

yes the blood inside of me is inside of you.

Those lyrics perfectly coincide with the Gospel’s message of “love thy neighbor”! Pay attention to the last line, where he MJ sings his interpretation of the old saying “we all bleed red!”

Here are the lyrics to “Dangerous”:

And then it happened

She touched me

For the lips of

A strange woman

Drop as a honeycomb

And her mouth was

Smoother than oil

But her inner spirit and words

Were as sharp as

A two-edged sword

But I loved it

‘Cause it’s dangerous

Those lyrics that I bolded and underlined are from Proverbs 5:3:

For the lips of a strange woman drop as a honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil.

Other songs that mention God or have religious themes are “They Don’t Really Care About Us” (You’re rapin’ me off my pride
Oh, for God’s sake/I look to heaven to fulfill its prophecy…,Set me free ), “Stranger in Moscow” (he sings “Lord have mercy” in the ad libs at the end), “Scream” (the second chorus features “Oh Father please have mercy, cause I just can’t take it!”), and “Earth Song” (MJ asks “What about the Holy Land?” at the end).

Retired NBA player and devout Christian Allan Houston said in this blog post that this song was the inspiration for a teachable moment between him and his son! He was asked about the meaning of the lyrics, and Houston said that it allowed him to talk to his son about sex in a realistic manner, which he is grateful for because the topic of sex is very awkward for most parents:

My son loves Michael Jackson, but something was disturbing him and he couldn’t figure out why. He said he wanted to take the song ‘Dangerous’ off his Nintendo DS. I asked why. He said he looked at the lyrics on http://www.lyrics007.com, and the lyrics seemed ‘inappropriate’. When he showed me, I understood why he was in turmoil over one of his favorite artists’ inner conflict in the song.

My job was to explain to my son why there was nothing ‘wrong’ with the lyrics; and what was right about him coming to me and getting clarification. I immediately was so thankful because I realized this was a very important teaching opportunity on many levels.

1. we as fathers and/or mentors HAVE to be able to be real with our kids: especially on the object of sexuality. We can’t run from this, because they’ll find out one way or another.

2. we can’t give them just ANY answers to real questions and issues…..WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM TRUTH. I believe truth comes from the WORD OF GOD.

What’s so cool about this moment is that evidently MJ did too!
Michael Jackson’s lyrics from the song “Dangerous” :
And then it happened
She touched me
For the lips of A strange woman
Drop as a honeycomb
And her mouth was Smoother than oil
But her inner spirit and words
Were as sharp as A two-edged sword
But I loved it ‘Cause it’s dangerous

Now….check it…..

Compare them to Proverbs 5:3-4

‘For the lips of an adulteress drip honey, and her speech is smoother than oil; but in the end she is bitter as gall, sharp as a double-edged sword.

I always tell my kids..don’t just sing songs because everyone else is singing them….

go see what they’re saying in the songs so you know what you’re saying!
We gotta be careful with what we’re saying, and putting in our hearts Lets teach’em how to change the world!

I see how Michael Jackson’s legacy will never die.

To be continued………………

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  1. sanemjfan permalink
    April 13, 2012 1:40 pm

    I will be a guest on Catherine Gross’ Blog Talk Radio show on Sunday, April 22nd from 3pm to 6pm CST. I will be discussing this 7 part series, my motivation for writing it, and what I learned from it.

    Here is the Blog Talk Radio page: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/a-place-in-your-heart

    Here is the FB event page for the show: https://www.facebook.com/#!/events/374846282538148/

    Here is a time zone converter: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html

    • April 14, 2012 10:30 am

      “I will be a guest on Catherine Gross’ Blog Talk Radio show on Sunday, April 22nd from 3pm to 6pm CST. I will be discussing this 7 part series, my motivation for writing it, and what I learned from it.”

      David, I am glad that you are finally telling us about your participation in the program. I’ve been waiting and waiting for it. Yesterday I had a facebook conversation with Catherine Gross as she invited me too, and the text of her announcement of the program included a piece written by me. She headlined it as “Something to think about” and since she was attributing my words to you I had to explain the mistake.

      If we were not of different opinions here I would not have paid attention (what does it matter who voices our opinion?) but over here we do adhere to different, even opposite views so the correction was a must. The first difference of opinion is over the possibility to discuss Michael’s faith in God in this blog. An even grosser difference is over Michael’s pure human essence which I marvel at and you do not, which was a great surprise to me.

      You as an author have the full right to express your point of view both here and in Catherine Gross’s program, but by no means can it be considered an “official position of the vmj blog”. In fact there is no official position of the vmj on anything at all, because all of us are individual authors who do one job but perceive Michael in various ways and all you will be speaking in Catherine Gross’s program is your own individual view on the subject.

      In this connection I am planning to make changes in this blog. They will concern the structure of the blog and rules of writing here. A big announcement will still have to be written (a little later as I need to travel now), but the main points will be published now in the “About the blog” section.

  2. marcial permalink
    April 12, 2012 9:10 am

    (the last part of my comment )i meant MJ fans are NOW(not no!) divided,not as strong as like when MJ were still here

  3. marcial permalink
    April 12, 2012 9:05 am

    Lisa Marie Presley has something to do with this, why all those people,priest, etc believed those lies! other people would think why his ex-wife say all those thing like he’s freak/weird, i didnt see anything but the only people in the room was him(mj)&that kid(leaving people to think hmmm,.. doubt of his innocence) if weren’t true?,but what these so called MJ fans’ saying, they still embrace that two-faced woman just bcoz of her oprah 2010 interview despite of all her documented lies,hating,abuse and smear against MJ’s dignity and reputation they still like her and supporting her! and now i’ve seen some mj fans saying MJ was a drug addict. a liar and so on and so forth bcoz of frank cascio’s book they belived frank and LMP! everytime there’s new book came out whatever contents of that book and said about MJ, mj fans believed it! i mean wtf?! just yesterday i accidentally bump with my old classmate in the a mall, she told me, she believed mj was a freak,bleached his skin and molested those kids bcoz she saw a replay of lmp’s interview with oprah in 2010.she said she believed lisa coz she’s his ex-wife,she wont say it if she did not saw anything though she said she saw nothing happened like that but she also said, the only people in the room was mj&that kid so who knows, meaning she wann say something but dont wanna tel on tv! i told my ckassmate wtf?! she’s a dumbass! but my message here is, lmp was a big part of whom who damaged MJ’s image or reputation! MJ fans are no devided, not as strong as like before when MJ were still here! just sayin… :/

  4. January 22, 2012 9:08 am

    Nan, I love what you said: “I dont want to offend anyone but I have had much more of a spiritual awakening since I looked into Michael Jackson’s life then I ever did sitting in church .. He is like someone who preached unconditional love and respect for all men and the planet we inhabit..to a world wide audience,” for I feel the very same way about Michael ever since I looked into his life as well. You hit the nail on the head girl.

    You see, I was a fan first when Michael was young, but sometime right after Thriller came out I became a die-hard country music fan and I lost all contact with Michael’s career and life. When the first then second allegations came out about him I was real quick to believe the accusers and the media and judged Michael rather harshly right along with the media. HOWEVER, the day he died I had a spiritual epiphany and I know that’s what it was! I was working that day and a friend of mine had emailed me and several other coworkers about Michael being taken to an ER due to a cardiac arrest and I shrugged it off thinking, “Oh he’ll be okay.” Not much longer after that, while sitting in a McDonald’s parking lot eating dinner just before I went to see Transformers II, a different friend text me (also a coworker and someone who had gotten that same email earlier) and told me that MJ had died. I went into complete shock and literally just put my food aside. I couldn’t finish it. I drove to the theater, met my daughter and her boyfriend there and as we were waiting outside the theater room it took everything within me not to cry, especially when other people in line were talking about his death. I remember standing there asking myself, “Why am I feeling this way when I hadn’t been a fan?” I couldn’t understand my emotions….at all. After we finally filed into the theater room and sat down, and from the moment the previews started playing, here came the tears! I just could not stop them any longer. I thank God that the movie was so loud that no one could hear me sobbing! I was in shock as to my feelings of such strong sadness….and remorse! After that I cried for two whole months (I work from home so that’s okay; I could cry and no one would see me) and I mean I cried so hard sometimes that I could barely see the computer screen to work! In that two months’ time I felt God tugging on my heart to study up on Michael and learn about him. He led me to the first three books I read – The Magic, The Madness, The Whole Story: Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson Conspiracy and Redemption: The Truth Behind the Michael Jackson Child Molestation Allegations – and all three of those books convinced me MJ never molested children! Also, reading MJ’s own book, Moonwalk, gave me wonderful insight into how he felt about God, which blew me away! I then felt God tugging on my heart to write a blog about my findings on Michael to spread the word and let other people know, which I did!

    My whole point in telling this story is that I know in my heart and soul that it is God who moved through me that day as there could be no other explanation for what I was feeling! I, therefore, find it appalling that the minister focused upon in this blog blatantly says the Holy Spirit had shown him the things he talked about regarding Michael, when it is plain to me that the Holy Spirit moved on me in a completely different direction regarding Michael! My story is much like the story of Saul in the New Testament who went about trashing religion and then God blinded him in order to get his attention and told him to change his take on religion and to start preaching the Gospel. He then named him Paul and gave him his eyesight back. God didn’t blind me to get my attention, but he certainly took my blinders off where MJ is concerned! This tells me this minister could not have been listening to the Holy Spirit as the Holy Spirit leads people to love! Instead this minister used Michael as a means to build up his service that morning, but not in a good way, in the same negative way the media did….twisting and turning Michael’s big heart into something ugly and gross! The most shameful thing about that is, the people in the congregation were just eating it all up! I’m not going to judge them, though, as I also got caught up in all that negativity regarding MJ, but the minister is supposed to know better than to lead his people to those types of actions! He is the leader of his congregation! He’s supposed to be teaching love and nothing else and now those people are going to feel justified in running Michael down because their own pastor did it! It is such a shame that the one institution that is supposed to be preaching love and compassion is preaching quite the opposite! SMH

  5. LunaJo permalink
    January 15, 2012 1:51 am

    Very wel written as usual and not being raised with a certain religion, this was what always amazed me about religious people, who used their believe as an excuse to judge over ther people. The Christian people I knew spoke of a harsh God and when I was older I saw a God who apparantly made people fight eachother and create wars….and kill eachother.
    Now we see a lot of Catholic priests who abused children. It’s like religion is being used to control people, to abuse power and authority.
    I think religion should be used for one thing: Love. And that is exactly what someone like Michael Jackson tried to tell us. I never met Michael, so I don’t know how he felt about his Jehova upbringing. But I do know he respected everyone and would not judge. You only have to listen to his songs and you know.
    Thanks David…

  6. Tanja permalink
    January 13, 2012 12:26 am

    Bah…
    I am Christan…but after reading that I guess I’ll convert and become a Buddhist or something. -.-

  7. Laura permalink
    January 11, 2012 12:59 am

    This piece was wonderfully written and well-researched. I have been a devout Christian all my life. I believe that God is the Creator of all things and sent his son Jesus to die on the cross to save us from our sins. I agree with other Christians who have commented on here that I am upset and, frankly, embarrassed to be a part of the stereotype that “all Christians are hypocrites” and that “all are judgmental”. Sadly, many Christians are hypocritical, and they choose to build their faith to accommodate their own needs and opinions. They are not true Christians. They say one thing is bad, but go and do something just as bad and say it’s okay. I always strive to be a true Christian, who sticks firmly to my beliefs and follows what God says in the Bible. I want to break away from that idea that all Christians are judgmental hypocrites.
    I am also a huge fan of Michael Jackson. I do not consider him an idol (God tells us not to worship anyone other than him), but rather a role model. I highly appreciate his work, his music, his artistry, his creativity, and the things he has done for this world and the people around him. He has set good standards for people who want to make a difference like him. I don’t think he ever wanted to be considered some type of god or prophet, although some people do believe that. He only wanted to help people and make this world a better place.
    It really upsets me that people say he is a terrible person and, in some cases, a “devil worshipper”, because he clearly shows that he is neither of those. He demonstrated throughout his entire life that he used his God-given talent to bring others joy, and that we should ALL love one another. Like the Bible says, we are to love one another, and we are also called to love our enemies. Many Christians claim that Michael is absolutely despicable. However, we are called to love everyone, so it shouldn’t matter. Some Christians would maybe even go as far to say that he is their enemy, and that gives them right to judge him. But we are to love our enemies as well. Either way, Michael does not deserve the harsh judgment of these Christians who claim their opinions are the only right ones.
    Michael absolutely believed in God. He talks countless times about God and the things He has done for us. He also talks about Jesus, and how we are to live our lives like Christ every day. He even references the Bible numerous times, sometimes even in his songs. Just because he didn’t write solely Gospel music doesn’t mean he was against God. And it would not make sense if he worshipped Satan. Demons flee at the sound of God’s name and in His presence. Would a Satan worshipper be able to talk so faithfully about God and still worship the opposite? I’m not sure, but it definitely does not make sense.
    As for Michael’s relationship with Christ, we just don’t know the specifics. The Bible says, and I personally believe, that one must repent and be baptized in order to go to heaven and spend eternity with God and Jesus. Whether or not Michael did that, we’ll never know. No one will know. That’s between Michael and God. Of course, we know what we’d like to think. But it’s all up to God and we can’t try to change anything now.
    One more thing. The blogger that talks about David Pack’s conversation with Michael seems a bit unreasonable. The blogger didn’t even include the whole conversation between them! How are any of us to know what David talked about with Michael? The blogger only mentions the song that they sang. That, in itself, is at least a start for knowing Michael’s faith, but it doesn’t show the whole thing. I don’t think the blogger had the right to bash Michael or even David about that topic, because he/she didn’t get the whole story.
    Michael most definitely knew God and Jesus. Some people are blowing the tiniest things about Michael WAY out of proportion. Hopefully soon, more people will see that Michael’s only mission was to spread LOVE around the world through his talents and abilities.

  8. Dee P permalink
    January 6, 2012 6:02 pm

    Absolutely brilliant piece as always, David. As a lifelong Christian and a lifelong follower of Michael’s, I have to say that I feel ashamed to proclaim a faith I should feel proud of when it comes to so called ‘Christians’ like this. What we have to remember is that whilst these people wear the ‘Christian’ badge, they are far from anything Jesus would have recognised as being remotely faithful nor deserved of such a title. Wherever we go, we are confronted by people who will wear ‘badges’ or labels to profess their identity and as a sense of belonging. Even some in the MJ fan community seek to spend their time hating on others and spreading gossip and lies. However, these are human labels, given by mere mortals. God sees our HEARTS, not a label, and we can be sure that in Michael, He saw a beautiful soul doing His work on earth for much of his life. In fact, from a young age, I have been very certain that Michael was indeed a gift from God, sent here to teach us many lesson which we still need to heed. My fear after seeing some of the atrocious material written above, is that, like Jesus before him, many will never repent of the way that they continue to crucify and destroy the good and beautiful in this world.

  9. January 3, 2012 3:04 am

    Some preachers ought to pay more attention to the 9.th commandment;
    Do noy bear false witnwess.

  10. Suzy permalink
    December 30, 2011 3:39 pm

    Here is Frank Schaeffer, who was a former evangelical himself, talking about fundamentalist Christians in America. He’s calling them “the village idiot”.

    The subject here is that according to a poll 1 in 3 US conservatives thought that Obama was the Anti-Christ. It’s not directly related to MJ, of course, but I think the same mentality is behind most of the comments quoted in this blog article.

    Problem is, in the US it’s not a small minority group, it’s a quite wide-spread movement with political allies and so on.

  11. True believer permalink
    December 29, 2011 7:09 pm

    Plenty of Christians are not so Christ-like. Just because they attend church and believe in Christ they figure they are at liberty to judge. They have a lot of growing in the lord to they should read the parable of the Sheep and the Goats..they sound like goats to me. We are all sinners and people who claim to be saints walking around judging giving Christianity a bad look make me upset. They fellowship the wrong way and are far from Christ-like. MJ seemed to try to be Christ-like, he donates millions in proceeds and gave. If he didn’t do all that giving his financial situation would have been better towards the end. He started the heal the world foundation and visited sick children all over the world. Does anyone remember Ryan White?? I mean come on. The media is the voice of the world and the world is cruel that’s why people need a higher power to believe in. I was taught Christ is an example of the perfect child of god and we relate to him because he shared a life on earth fighting the flesh just like us so yes comparing our lives to his is how to practice Christianity. You look up the words of Christ as a guide to live and seek him in good time but in trails too because he lived as one of us he understands even in your darkest hour. Evangelical right winged Heretics who wouldn’t know Jesus from Adam because they have it twisted. The lord was accused and crucified to save us all that includes MJ who are they to judge??

    • January 1, 2012 2:02 am

      “You look up the words of Christ as a guide to live”

      True believer, let us finally admit that the church all over the world has departed from Christ’s words and the way he taught people to live – and placed all its focus on Christ being the Savior. His death and resurrection are more important than his words. No matter how hard I tried to understand this metamorphosis Christianity has undergone with time, I am unable to, so those who don’t agree please forgive me.

      P.S. The first Christians survived and attracted more and more people in the corrupt Roman empire because of the way they lived, and not because they were telling others of their God. It was the unique relations between the first Christians – pure, truthful and brotherly – which brought in supporters for their cause from all those who were sick and tired of the Roman totally corrupt morals (whose best entertainment was watching slaves killing each others or people being torn into parts by wild beasts).

  12. December 29, 2011 9:22 am

    @ ALTTampa,

    “I’d like to begin by saying I am a follower of Jesus Christ. But it seems these so called men of God and good Christians have forgotten His words to us”

    Thank you, you’ve have expressed my feeling better than I could have. I saw several noted religious persons on TV right after Michael’s death and was amazed at their words.

    With 2 plus years of fighting to get the truth out I understand them better. Our religious people are still just that, people. They get the same News programs we do and are bombarded with the same false words and images as any other. They heard or heard of the accusations from a sister, plus decades of “I know” gossip, and come with their own personal baggage as we all do. The difference is we have had time to learn and they have not. It does not excuse most of them, but I believe many thought they were being kind in the face of their own doubts. It is true the Black community came in for a special propaganda treatment. “MJ is ashamed to be black, will have nothing to do with blacks and has turned his back on the cornerstone of Black American, religion”.

    You are right they did fail, failed to be a good shepherd. Hopefully in the years to come as more information is made permanently available and those in the church who do not believe as they do speak up, our religious leaders will do what needs to be done and that is to stand at their pulpit and admit they listened to false witnesses.

    • January 1, 2012 1:39 am

      “2 plus years of fighting to get the truth out I understand them better. Our religious people are still just that, people. They get the same News programs we do and are bombarded with the same false words and images as any other. They heard or heard of the accusations from a sister, plus decades of “I know” gossip, and come with their own personal baggage as we all do. The difference is we have had time to learn and they have not. It does not excuse most of them, but I believe many thought they were being kind in the face of their own doubts.”

      Dial, but people believing in God are supposed to be better than ordinary people who listen to nothing but gossip in their lives. They are supposed to be more patient, more understanding, more spiritual and more responsible for what they do and say. They are not to pass judgment on anyone – especially if they are not sure of their facts.

      Believing in God is not a privilege – it is imposing on yourself very strict obligations and doing it of your own free will. It is a voluntary submission of your will to your Father’s and setting for yourselves the bar higher than for the rest of the people. And this is all the more true for those who call themselves preachers and claim they are spiritual leaders of others. Their responsibility is double. They are given certain power over other people – so much more will be asked of them than of an ordinary person.

      If these preachers have not verified their facts about Michael they should have never spoken about him at all. And if they do, they are not allowed to tell lies – it is their obligation to God to be telling the truth only. These preachers are taking their responsibilites too lightly. What they are doing is even criminal as they misguide thousands of people in their moral choices.

      * * *
      Happy New Year!

  13. ALTTampa permalink
    December 29, 2011 3:04 am

    I’d like to begin by saying I am a follower of Jesus Christ. But it seems these so called men of God and good Christians have forgotten His words to us. What makes them think they have the right to judge Michael’s relationship with God or his faith in the God of Love. Michael spoke often of his trust and belief that God had given him a mission for his life. It’s sad to see that none of these people ever bothered to do a little research via the internet to discover who Michael really was before they decided to kill him again with their words, something the bible speaks against. I can assure you they encouraged their congregation to open their bibles and read it for themselves. I think they failed to take their own advice. When searching the internet for information about G Craig Lewis, it appears some people think Mr Lewis is the real devil worshipper. It seems the devil has been the main source of many of his sermons. If you don’t fit his spiritual beliefs you are damned and heading straight to Hell. No one, not other ministers, gospel singers or honest Christians are beyond his wrath.

    If they did a little research on Michael they would fine a man who tried to imitate Jesus’ ways and live by His words. Love with an unselfish love, be humble and acknowledge God in all of his ways. If they ever listened to Michael speak they would know that Michael was the epitome of one of the greatest chapters in the bible, 1st Corintians 13:1-13, “If I speak with the tongue of man and of angels, and I do not love, I am as sounding brass or a tinkling cymbals.” Instead of drinking and spreading the media kool-ade, they should have been extolling Michael’s virtues and encouraging their members to walk in the same manner. These men who believe themselves to be so Godly should first take a look at themselves before they cast the first stone.

  14. Maria permalink
    December 28, 2011 2:43 pm

    Sermons in American churches are seances of hatred, not love. One man became the object of such persecution from all sides. It’s not just the media. Of course, this pastor listened to the media and hence probably his awful words. The media are the source of all evil in America. There is a source of hatred and lies that killed Michael.

  15. Tahlia permalink
    December 28, 2011 1:41 am

    Truth Prevail,

    The pastor who apologised sounds like a decent person, there needs to be more people like him in churches.

  16. Truth Prevail permalink
    December 28, 2011 1:38 am

    @Tahlia

    Yeah i get what your saying i was surprised to read that their was a pastor that apologised about michael i ohnestly didnt think such sentence could exist chances are 1 in a million!

  17. lynande51 permalink*
    December 28, 2011 12:01 am

    David here is a quote from Nobel Prize Author Sinclaire Lewis that expresses my thoughts perfectly about the Christian Right opinions.
    “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.” –Sinclair Lewis’ 1935 novel “It Can’t Happen Here”
    Who knew he was predicting the future when he wrote that or that the future is now.
    It is not a surprise to see these men of the cloth spewing their judgemental criticisms of Michael, but what does surprise me is that they obviously read gossip magazines for sources for their sermons.I thought they were supposed to use the Bible as a reference. Do I dare go to church or am I going to have to put up with those nonsensical stories there as well? You know these guys are supposed to speak about God and his message during a sermon so how does Michael Jackson even come into it? Are these televangelists that are looking for ratings or what?

  18. Maria permalink
    December 28, 2011 12:00 am

    When Michael was in my country, visited the hospital where were ill children. Those who accompanied him were touched not only the reaction of Michael but most of all touched by reaction children to this man. I know that this was in every country. Children who saw him the first time to be happy.
    Not afraid of him even when he was in the mask. They do not evaluate him. Children saw his heart.
    They saw more than everyone else. One of the journalists in my country about Michael said these words:
    Has the feeling that this man can talk to birds.
    We all know that he was the most famous man on earth. This is not the case.
    WE ARE THE WORLD !

  19. Maria permalink
    December 27, 2011 6:33 pm

    Magical Child part 2 -(written by Michael Jackson)- Dancing The Dream

  20. Maria permalink
    December 27, 2011 6:19 pm

    God – (written by Michael Jackson)- Dancing The Dream
    It’s strange that God doesn’t mind expressing Himself/Herself in all the religions of the world, while people still cling to the notion that their way is the only right way. Whatever you try to say about God, someone will take offense, even if you say everyone’s love of God is right for them.

    For me the form God takes is not the most important thing. What’s most important is the essence. My songs and dances are outlines for Him to come in and fill. I hold out the form. She puts in the sweetness.

    I’ve looked up at the night sky and beheld the stars so intimately close, it was as if my grandmother had made them for me. “How rich, how sumptuous,” I thought. In that moment I saw God in His creation. I could as easily have seen Her in the beauty of a rainbow, the grace of a deer bounding through a meadow, the truth of a father’s kiss. But for me the sweetest contact with God has no form. I close my eyes, look within, and enter a deep soft silence. The infinity of God’s creation embraces me. We are one.

    • December 29, 2011 12:07 am

      God – (written by Michael Jackson)- Dancing The Dream

      “It’s strange that God doesn’t mind expressing Himself/Herself in all the religions of the world, while people still cling to the notion that their way is the only right way. Whatever you try to say about God, someone will take offense, even if you say everyone’s love of God is right for them.

      For me the form God takes is not the most important thing. What’s most important is the essence. My songs and dances are outlines for Him to come in and fill. I hold out the form. She puts in the sweetness.

      I’ve looked up at the night sky and beheld the stars so intimately close, it was as if my grandmother had made them for me. “How rich, how sumptuous,” I thought. In that moment I saw God in His creation. I could as easily have seen Her in the beauty of a rainbow, the grace of a deer bounding through a meadow, the truth of a father’s kiss. But for me the sweetest contact with God has no form. I close my eyes, look within, and enter a deep soft silence. The infinity of God’s creation embraces me. We are one.”

      Amen.

  21. Tahlia permalink
    December 27, 2011 3:55 pm

    Glad to hear that David, so many Christians don’t take a good attitude when it comes to MJ, when I still went to church I was talking to my pastor about MJ shortly after his death, and all he could do was say that rich people could get anything they wanted and then started talking about the sharing rhe bed with kids thing, and calling MJ stupid. No positive comments at all, just judgement, and that was coming from a church that was fairly down to Earth. I attended several different churches over the course of 7 years, and unfortunately I found many people there to be very gullible and ignorant.

    The youth pastor at one church I attended lied about having cancer for two years. One day I was at church and was very upset, and a woman came up and smacked me in the back of the head because I wasn’t worshipping. Another time I had just been on a train that hit a suicidal man and killed him and when I told a woman at church about it she said “just don’t let it take your focus off Jesus” and walked away without bothering to ask me how I was feeling. I also felt like people were always asking unrealistic things of me, and according to one woman I knew everything I did was wrong. There are other things that happened too, but I won’t go into everything. I got to the point where I couldn’t handle this treatment anymore, and I found it to be that way everywhere I went so I left church altogether over a year ago, and I feel much better that I’m out of there, my life had been much less stressful ever since.

    • December 29, 2011 12:14 am

      “I got to the point where I couldn’t handle this treatment anymore, and I found it to be that way everywhere I went so I left church altogether over a year ago, and I feel much better that I’m out of there, my life had been much less stressful ever since”

      Tahlia, I hope you will feel better if you know that I also went through similar feelings though my experience in church was much more positive. They seem to confine people’s spirit to man-made cells instead of freeing it to be one with Him.

  22. Tahlia permalink
    December 27, 2011 2:34 am

    Truth Prevail

    Cant wait to see the preacher apologies lol!

    Don’t hold your breath on that one, these people think they’re right and most of them are far too prideful and arrogant to think they could have it all wrong. If anything I think they’d start finger pointing and condemning us for challenging their beliefs… some of these people don’t like it when others can think for themselves instead of being told what to think.

    • sanemjfan permalink
      December 27, 2011 7:00 am

      @ Tahlia
      Actually, I’ve found a lot of people from the religious community who have defended MJ, both Christian, Jewish, and Islamic! I will post and transcribe a sermon from a pastor who apologizes to God for his treatment of MJ during his life! That will be in part 5 of this series.

      @Truth Prevail
      I will post one part each Sunday, so part 2 will be posted on January 1st, 2012, and so on. This schedule is tentative, and I may push them up, depending on how things go.

      • December 28, 2011 11:47 pm

        “Actually, I’ve found a lot of people from the religious community who have defended MJ, both Christian, Jewish, and Islamic! I will post and transcribe a sermon from a pastor who apologizes to God for his treatment of MJ during his life! That will be in part 5 of this series.”

        David, can you make it sooner than part 5? Listening to preachers like the one you’ve posted a video of is unbearable. All they can teach you is hate. It is totally amazing that so many people are still listening to these guys. I cannot wait for people to awaken at last.

        Instead of listening to him they’d better listen to what Dr.Shafer said in his interview after Murray’s trial and his testimony there. There is much more God in what Dr. Shafer did and said than in all this ‘preaching’.

        • sanemjfan permalink
          December 29, 2011 10:55 pm

          @Helena

          David, can you make it sooner than part 5? Listening to preachers like the one you’ve posted a video of is unbearable. All they can teach you is hate. It is totally amazing that so many people are still listening to these guys. I cannot wait for people to awaken at last.

          Instead of listening to him they’d better listen to what Dr.Shafer said in his interview after Murray’s trial and his testimony there. There is much more God in what Dr. Shafer did and said than in all this ‘preaching’.

          Sorry! I already have my outline finished, and most of the future posts are done, and I wanted the series to end with a bang, so I have to leave all the Christians, Muslims, and Jews who defended MJ in part 5. But if it makes you feel better, I’ll post the remaining parts much sooner than I originally planned! Part 2 will hopefully be posted on Friday or Saturday, and the remaining 3 parts will come much faster than the original “one part per week” schedule that I had planned.

  23. December 27, 2011 2:01 am

    @nan just to be clear ( i realized my last comment could be misunderstood) i was referring to your last sentence about jelousy. For the rest what u said it’s simply wonderfull-

    i wanna add probably this a”pastor” never saw what reverend june gatlin said about mj http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8zCl3Yf3KM

  24. December 27, 2011 1:57 am

    yes nan it is, but i would add even the word ignorance.

  25. nan permalink
    December 27, 2011 12:26 am

    I dont want to offend anyone but I have had much more of a spiritual awakening since I looked into Michael Jackson’s life then I ever did sitting in church ..
    He is like someone who preached unconditional love and respect for all men and the planet we inhabit..to a world wide audience
    I think it is just jealousy.

  26. December 26, 2011 9:43 pm

    this is a great post., and as a christian i have to say that i’m deeply tired about christian people who judge Michael.
    First of all: why do not they look inside of their church and see how many of them are fake? how many of them really follows jesus?most of them try but do not do that always.
    Second: not always having jesus in ur life garantee u to be happy, and it’s not because u do not love or do not feel loved, but it’s because LIFE IS DIFFICULT.
    second of all: in the bible is the devil who ask jesus to turn stones in to bread and jesus do not do that,BUT there’s a legend here in italy, in the south of italy where SAINT PAUL(IF I’M NOT WRONG) turned stones into bread here-for example. What if they were referring to this fact?

  27. Maria permalink
    December 26, 2011 8:54 pm

    Barry Gibb, Michael Jackson
    All In Your Name
    “..Only God knows

    That it’s all in the game

    It’s all in Your name

    Carry me to the gates of paradise, they’re the same

    It’s all in Your name…”

  28. Maria permalink
    December 26, 2011 8:26 pm

    Michael got a huge talent from God. Through his music he preached love throughout the world. Behind the scenes whole-heartedly participated in helping children. It is no coincidence that many of them said he was good as an angel. He was good as an angel. Michael had served God and people. He was crucified because he preached love.
    He was a true gift to our planet. He was a gift from God.

  29. Truth Prevail permalink
    December 26, 2011 4:51 pm

    BTW David when is the next part coming out?

    Cant wait to see the preacher apologies lol!

  30. December 26, 2011 3:55 pm

    What a hateful and angry peacher, who never even met Michael and never knew him.He himself sounds outright scary and has a vile imagination picking the worst from the old and new testaments.His sermons could destroy your whole mental balance and sap all your strength for joy.
    Michael was a humble, giving soul who he gave both of his worldly and spiritual self.
    He is mistaken if he thinks his sermon brings something spiritually upliftting to anybody. Anything he can do is is increase predudice and illwill.Where is the love and goodwill?

  31. michaeljacksoninnocentmanforever permalink
    December 26, 2011 3:30 pm

    Michael was the best man on earth and I feel they want to wash brains saying bad things about Michael for people attack him more, but what they don’t know, we will always fight for Michael, because Michael was the kindness personified and we his fans really know that Michael was a God like and he will be always this way; no matter what Christians or others said. I am a Jacksonian and proud to be !

  32. Susanne permalink
    December 26, 2011 2:50 pm

    Long awaited post, thanks David, it’s great. Can’t wait for the rest of it.
    The main question really is: Why do these pastors feel the need to use MJ for their sermons and why do they feel the need to make him a devil? There are already some good answers to that in the other comments, and they are certainly right. But in my opinion, if you also see it from a spiritual point of view, there is more to that: Good is always attacked by evil. The more good someone does, the more he/she is attacked by evil forces because they can’t stand it. And Michael was too good for whatever evil force is out there. He is a target just because he lived for the purpose of healing the world, and he influenced too many people.
    There was a time when I was very young and very active in the peace movement of the 80ies in Germany. We protested against the Perhings in our country and our motto was “Let’s make swords to plowshares”. I wasn’t an MJ fan at that time and didn’t see MJ as someone with a message, but when some time later I realized his words “swords to plowshares”, when I listened to “Heal the World” the first time, this made me change my mind and take him and his message seriously.
    If you listen to Michael’s lyrics carefully, you cannot misunderstand him. Those who misinterpret his songs, do it wilfully.

  33. sanemjfan permalink
    December 26, 2011 12:53 pm

    Guys, I just realized that two of the videos I referenced were not embedding properly, so I went in and fixed it! Its the video of the original version of “Blame It On The Boogie”, and the interview of Mick Jackson and his son discussing the song. Sorry about that!

  34. Gabrielle permalink
    December 26, 2011 10:09 am

    I agree with everyone these pastors are just trying to get their four minutes of fame, and for them that said that if he found God he wouldn’t have had to deal with all of the trials and tribulations, have they ever heard of Job? He went threw hell and back and to hell again, yet God loved him. Troubles don’t mean you’re not saved; God is just using it to make you stronger. David was a man after God’s own heart, and he constantly wrote is Psalms about people conspiring against him. Also for pastors that are saying he was not a Christian, Christianity is a personal relationship between a person and God. The reason Jesus told us not to judge is because we don’t know each other’s hearts. He did say though “by their fruit (good deeds) you will recognize them (Christians) and Michael’s fruits are his words and his humanitarianism now if that isn’t from God I don’t know what is. I think people have forgotten what Christianity is even about anymore. It is not for pointing fingers and damning people. Christianity is a belief that says as humans we are all imperfect and the only one who is perfect and is able to save us is Jesus. It has no room for pride or judgment.

    • December 28, 2011 11:28 pm

      “He did say though “by their fruit (good deeds) you will recognize them (Christians) and Michael’s fruits are his words and his humanitarianism now if that isn’t from God I don’t know what is. I think people have forgotten what Christianity is even about anymore. …It has no room for pride or judgment.”

      Absolutely! This pastor for sure does not remember what Jesus said. He is so pleased with himself while denouncing Michael that it is totally disgusting. I am sure he has not done a fraction of all the good which Michael did. It is about people like that Jesus said:

      “Matthew: 23: 1-7, 13-33-
      1 Then Jesus told the crowds and his disciples: 2 “The scribes and the Pharisees have succeeded Moses as teachers; 3 therefore, do everything and observe everything they tell you. But do not follow their example. 4 Their words are bold but their deeds are few. They bind up heavy loads, hard to carry, to lay on other men’s shoulders, while they themselves will not lift a finger to budge them. 5 All their works are performed to be seen. They widen their phylacteries and wear huge tassels. 6 They are fond of places of honor at banquets and the front seats in synagogues, 7 of marks of respect in public and of being called ‘Rabbi.’ 13 “Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, you frauds! You shut the doors of the kingdom of God in men’s faces, neither entering yourselves nor admitting those who are trying to enter. 14 Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, you frauds. You devour the houses of widows, praying long prayers. For this you shall receive a greater judgment. 15 Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, you frauds! You travel over sea and land to make a single convert, but once he is converted you make a devil of him twice as wicked as yourselves.”

  35. TINKERBELL permalink
    December 26, 2011 8:40 am

    The turning stones to bread part reminded me of when Jesus turned something into fish to feed everybody. That’s how I’ve always seen this lyrics. In my oipinion MJ was a VERY good christian. You would think at times, listening to his songs’ lyrics, his music is in fact for/from a christian band.
    I remember clearly while watching his memorial, knowing nothing about this so called “Michael Jackson” getting goosebumps from the music and the lyrics. I asked myself who is this man? To me it was a spiritual experience. I decided then I needed to find out about him.
    MJ was an avid Bible reader. As testament to this you can find many pictures of his Bible teachings, in his handwrite along with his questions and thought about it. (I have such in my file) The Vegas bodyguards also confirmed he read the Bible on a daily basis.
    I see so much of God’s love in his life, I am pretty sure God handpicked this man to do a few things for him!

    • December 28, 2011 11:15 pm

      “I remember clearly while watching his memorial, knowing nothing about this so called “Michael Jackson” getting goosebumps from the music and the lyrics. I asked myself who is this man?”

      Tinkerbell, thank you for helping to describe the feeling. Getting goosebumps! Yes, this is the right word! It seems that our skin often knows another person’s heart better than our brain.

      When you listen to Michael you do get goosebumps while when you listen to that pastor in David’s post, you don’t get any. The pastor works himself up into a near-hysterical condition but it leaves you totally unmoved – all you feel is disgust at this theatrical show.

      And Michael could sing “Smile, though your heart is aching” in a low voice, as if talking to you, and it did give you goosebumps.

      I am absolutely sure that this is the effect only truth is capable of producing. Our heart knows it even despite the brain which may say different, and when we feel the truth we get goosebumps. Lies, even the most sophisticated ones, are incapable of giving that effect.

      Do not listen to those who say that truth is different depending on the circumstances and how you look at it – truth is absolute in its essence and exists on its own, like light. And when we feel it, it does give us goosebumps.

      Michael was the epitome of truth – truthful and sincere to the point of hurting himself and putting himself at a great disadvantage.

      Haters say Michael spoke truthfully about those ‘sleepovers” because he didn’t realize his guilt. Wrong – he spoke of them because he could not and didn’t want to lie and had no dirt to hide. He was equally sincere about his problems with Demerol in his song “Morphine”. No one forced him to write those lyrics and compose that song – he did it himself, probably in order to warn others against drugs and the hell a person experiences when he takes them.

      No other singer would have made a sincere and powerful song like that. Everyone would have been in denial and tried to conceal the fact – while Michael opened himself up and put himself in an extremely vulnerable position. This song is the best proof of how truthful Michael was. And he wasn’t in denial either – he was perfectly aware of the problem and was fighting! Fighting openly.

  36. December 26, 2011 4:54 am

    Speaking as one who has studied for years the Jehovah’s Witness faith, they go to great extent not to celebrate holidays because of the pagan demonic origin associated with them. You guys are only getting a sample of how Jehovah’s Witnesses are disrespected and characterized on a daily basis through Michael.

  37. December 26, 2011 12:38 am

    BTW just to clarify, I said I was using the hypocrite arguement, which is a weak but valid arguement nonetheless. That was poor word choice on my part. I think a better way to phrase it is the double standard arguement-either way, I’m sure you guys knew what I meant but I just wanted to clarify that.

  38. December 25, 2011 11:04 pm

    The saddest thing to me is that sea of black faces turned toward the preacher, all believing him in spite of what’s in their hearts, putting aside what they might feel about Michael because the preacher’s “logic” overrides their own heartfelt impressions. These are the people who should be allowed to feel proud of all Michael has accomplished, but instead this guy takes MJ away from them and leaves them nothing but dust. That, to me, is a sin.
    I remember when I first started researching Michael’s life and realized that so many people who should know better have fallen for the tabloid version. To this day I cannot see any movie with Robin Williams in it, or listen to Chris Rock, for instance.
    And what about the claim that Michael Jackson is the anti-christ? It makes me laugh, since a lot of the same people who gave him the label have since bestowed that honor to Barack Obama. Two modern-day anti-christs who just happen to be men of color. Interesting.
    I guess you can accuse anyone of anything you want to and some unlucky people will be pulled in to believe it and become followers. Religion, by its very nature, is nebulous. Logic and truth have nothing to do with it. Faith is a blind leap, and even the most educated person has to undertake it with his eyes and mind shut.

  39. December 25, 2011 10:09 pm

    I just wanted to comment on what you said here, which is so true:

    “Many Christians say that MJ would have been “normal” had he known God, but what if MJ really was “normal”, and instead of building Neverland to host sick and underprivileged children, he built his own version of the Playboy Mansion and used it to have wild, drug filled sex parties with porn stars (just like Hugh Hefner)? What would these same religious leaders say about MJ then? What if MJ regularly went clubbing and bar-hopping, and got involved in many alcohol-induced barroom brawls? What if he had multiple children out of wedlock with the many groupies who threw themselves at him throughout his career, and didn’t pay child support? What if he was in and out of drug rehab for recreational drugs that he used for pleasure, such as cocaine or marijuana?”

    Isn’t it interesting that all of the celebs who do engage in these sort of activities and lifestyle are not lambasted or criticized nearly to the extent that MJ was, and continues to be. During the Murray trial, the media continuously relished lurid reports of Michael as a drug addict, while celebs who have engaged in far worse behaviors get by relatively unscathed. Of course, no Christian is going to endorse Hugh Hefner or his lifestyle. BUT, yes, it’s interesting that even someone like Hef gets by relatively light compared to the sinister insinuations leveled by many Christians and pastors against Neverland. But that is a mirror of our society. A guy can build a mansion and create a haven for sex and debauchery, and we wink and nudge and say, “More power to him.” But someone like Michael creates a haven for sick and underprivileged children, and it is made into something sinister and perverted. Granted, I understand this whole misconception stems from the charges that were made-if people choose to believe them, then yes, they can make the arguement that at least what goes on at the Playboy mansion is between consenting adults (but one has to ask, do we really KNOW for sure all those girls are over 18, and that no children have ever been violated there?). Where I’m going with this, obviously, is the hypocrite arguement, which is usually a weak one, but valid nonetheless. The fact is, Michael Jackson it seems has always been judged by a different standard from most celebrities in the business. I get it and I don’t. I “get it” in the sense that I think his personal values opened the doors for more intense scrutiny and gossip than if he’d been more like those celebs who just live their lives as open books-when everyone knows the worst about you, it strips away the mystery and the motivation to dig for dirt. But when you keep that air of mystery, it invites speculation and innuendo. I think this is what happened with Michael. And then, it turned into a snowball.

    As for the ridiculous castration arguement, that one should have been permanently laid to rest once the autopsy report was made public, even if there wasn’t already ample evidence to debunk it before.

    • December 26, 2011 12:24 am

      “Isn’t it interesting that all of the celebs who do engage in these sort of activities and lifestyle are not lambasted or criticized nearly to the extent that MJ was”

      Yes, Raven, it is extremely interesting! The exception the media makes for Michael Jackson is so obvious that it is impossible to conceal, argue or explain it.

  40. Suzy permalink
    December 25, 2011 10:02 pm

    @ Truth Prevail

    In both cases (Christianity, Islam) I was talking about the fundamentalists (about people like the Taliban in Islam’s case). I know there are well-meaning, moderate people in all religions – and hopefully the majority are.

  41. Truth Prevail permalink
    December 25, 2011 8:53 pm

    What gets to me is that how the hell are these pastors supposed to know if he had god this ridiculous now cmon.

    All these pastors who think they knew mike they chose the topic MJ because it was hot and they were probaly lacking on a subject so they probaly said hey lets pick on Mikes Lifestyle because the Audience wll eat it up.

  42. Truth Prevail permalink
    December 25, 2011 8:45 pm

    @Suzy

    Its not about what they pose as but the fact what it is islam indeed is a religion of peace thats what islam means in arabic but what the taliban do has nothing to do with islam and if they say so their lying and just making excuses so people excuse their actions people like the taliban their rules are man made and have nothing to do with the religion Islam. Its man made law everything they do is in fact against Islam they just change the scripture in order to fit their own agenda to fit their rules not Islam. Anyway i believe in every religion they are a small or big community Manipulated by someone who changes the religion in order for people to follow that person instead of the religion.

  43. December 25, 2011 8:01 pm

    This stupidity about Michael was around as long as I can remember. It’s like a trend and they were doing it for everyone. Pathetic to say the least.

  44. December 25, 2011 7:26 pm

    Merry Christmas everyone!

    David, what a subject you’ve raised! I am happy you are handling it, though religious fundamentalists are the hardest people to talk to – and not only about Michael Jackson, but about anything at all.

    It seems that with all their rituals and citations of psalms they have long forgotten what their duties are and what God really expects of them.

    There was a time in my life when I had a fantastic mentor. It was a 90-year old priest, who was an absolutely saintly man. He was also an undisputed authority in terms of religious teachings as he represented the Russian Orthodox Church in the World Council of Churches in Geneva for 20 years, knew several languages, had an enormous library, was Professor of the history of religion and was not only a very knowledgeable man but was also a kind, humble and absolutely selfless person (he donated all his earnings to an educational institution and had very little left for himself).

    I am saying all that to show you that this priest could be trusted in matters concerning the dogmas of Christianity.

    And when I asked him a question “What is the most important thing in the life of a Christian?” you know what answer he gave me?

    His answer was “His deeds”.

    I was surprised as I more or less expected him speak of attending church, going to confession, following rituals and so on, but all he spoke of was “the deeds”.

    He closed his eyes, and when I asked him again in my surprise, he opened them and said, “Yes, the deeds is all that matters”.

    If we apply this maxim to Michael Jackson he was the best Christian on earth.

  45. Suzy permalink
    December 25, 2011 1:50 pm

    This is a touchy subject, because we obviously have different opinions and feelings about religion in general, and Christianity in particular. I know many here are Christians, I am not, so I try to be careful and I stress what I say is not a generalization about Christian people. But.

    My experience is that American evangelical Christianity is not much different from fundamentalist Islam. It poses as the religion of love (just like Islam poses as the religion of peace) but most of their pastors and opinion leaders I have seen are some of the most hateful, bigoted, judgmental and ignorant people ever. They are not doing what the Taliban does only because in a modern democracy like the US they are not allowed to. But they would if they could. Just look at what they say about people with a different religion, about women’s role in society, about gay people, about the seperation of the state and the church, about science etc. and you will get an idea about why I compare them to the Taliban.

    Like I said I don’t think it’s true of all Christians and I know many fans of MJ are Christians, but to be honest I’m not much surprised about the hateful and judgemental Christian comments quoted in this post.

    I find it especially disgusting that they use his name to draw attention to their sermons and blog posts and they present him as an example of how NOT to live, when they didn’t know him personally and they didn’t know what he believed. I would love to see THEIR life dissected like Michael’s was and then let’s see how perfect they are! We already know they are judgmental, which I thought was a big no-no in the Christian religion…

    Anyway, to me it’s not important if Michael was a Christian or not, or if he was, which branch of Christianity he practiced.
    To me the important thing is he was a genuinely good man, better than most of those Christians judging him and – I will say it – more “Christ-like” than any of them! The Jesus in the Bible wasn’t dogmatic, he didn’t judge people, he ate with and befriended “sinners”, for which he was judged by the pharisees like these people are judging MJ now! I have the feeling that most of these people who judge MJ now would have been in the crowd chanting “crucify him, crucify him” in the Bible! Of course, most people don’t like to think about themselves like that, but if they would try to take an honest look at themselves and what this hateful and ignorant judgmentalness made of them, it’s not hard to see them in that crowd…

    These dogmatic fundamentalists would see Jesus something like this if he lived now, or if they lived in 1st century Palestine:

    “He was weird like hell. I mean he never married (in an age where people got married at the age of 14), never had a woman in his life, never had kids. Instead he was running around with 12 other guys. He even said “let the children come to me”. Hm, creepy. Where is Tom Sneddon when you need him? He should have investigated him. No, Jesus was definitely not normal, I don’t think he is in heaven! I mean he claimed to be the Son of God. Talk about megalomania! He even said we shouldn’t stone people who commit adultery, when the laws of Moses clearly state we should! What is it so hard to understand in what is written in Scriptures? Jesus clearly went against those laws! He broke the Sabbath too! The Old Testament clearly said whoever breaks the Sabbath should be put to death! Again, the Scriptures are very clear about that. So Jesus was definitely not a man of God. He was blasphemous, he was leading people astray and he was on trial and was executed because he deserved it!”

    From what we know I feel like Michael was Christian, but not this fundamentalist type. I think his problem with the Jehova’s Witnesses was that they were too fundamentalist. (The story that I read about how he left them was that when he was on the set of “Smooth Criminal” he was rebuked by the elders of the church for having a gun in that video, and they gave him an ultimatum: that he will either leave the church or showbusiness. He left the church. Of course, this was just the last drop, the JWs were very controlling in his life for years before that. See the issues with the “Thriller” video and so on.) I think after that he went more spiritual than religious. I think he still kept to certain elements of the Christian faith (I know fundamentalist Christians don’t consider JWs Christian, but since they follow the God of the Bible, I will call them Christians) and the Bible. But I don’t think he was a fundamentalist and of course, for evangelical Christians like many of the above quoted, nobody is a Christian who is not fundamentalist enough…

    Here is an interesting quote from MJ about Adam and Eve (unfortunately I lost the source for this (perhaps Shmuley’s book?), I hope the quote is correct):

    “Of course. Of course. (on if the story of Adam and Eve has special meaning for him). Yes, I wish I could have seen it. Was it symbolism? Is it real? Did it happen? I’m confused sometimes that there is a loophole. I had questions that sometimes even the elders (of the Jehovah’s Witnesses Church) couldn’t answer. I’m the kind of guy who used to grab the microphone and say, “Well, what about this and what about that?” They would say, “Brother Jackson, we will talk to you later.” They would come up with this other funny kinda answer that wouldn’t drive the point home…..But (what doesn’t make sense to me is that God) tested them (with the forbidden fruit). And if you are God you should know the outcome. And if you are God, why test if you create a perfect being that should not be able to do any wrong? And why judge and thrust such anger on them and run them away and tempt them with a snake?….I am not here trying to judge God or criticize Him in any way. But sometimes I think it is a symbolism to teach us certain lessons.”

    That’s certainly not fundamentalist faith. Which is good in my book. I know it’s bad in fundamentalists’ and Bible literalists’ book. But there are many branches of Christianity, not just fundamentalism.

    Thing is 99.9% of Christians today are cherry picking from the Bible. Even fundamentalists! Just a couple of verses that nobody today thinks should be followed (or at least only the most extremist of Christians think they should):

    “If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.”
    (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)

    32 While the Israelites were in the wilderness, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34 and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. 35 Then the LORD said to Moses, “The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.” 36 So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the LORD commanded Moses.”
    (Numbers 15:32-36)

    That’s Old Testament, alright. What about the New Testament?

    “34 Women[f] should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.[g]”
    (1 Corinthians 14:34-35)

    “11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.”
    (1 Timothy 2:11-15)

    I could go on. The point is: virtually EVERY Christian today is cherry-picking from the Bible. Fundamentalists too, even if they say otherwise! So, the differece between someone who is a fundamentalist and who is a more moderate Christian is only in what they pick up and emphasise from the Bible! And fundamentalists tend to pick up the judemental and cruel quotes, while Christians who are less dogmatic but put more emphasis on the quotes about love, tolerance and acceptance. I know which Christianity I like better. And I think Michael was in the latter category.

    PS: And what is “demonic” in “As God has shown us by turning stones to bread“? Though everything is “demonic” for those fundamentalists…

    • sanemjfan permalink
      December 25, 2011 7:35 pm

      Guys, I have added the video of the pastor preaching on why MJ died at the beginning of the post.

      @ Suzy: thank you for your great comment! I know that what I posted (and will post in future parts) is harsh, but when I get to part 5 and show all the Christians who defended MJ, things will appear much more balanced! It’s depressing having to read all these lies (just imagine how I felt having to research this series? LOL!), but in the end it’ll be worth it.

      Due to the controversial nature of this series, and the fact that there are going to be a lot of thought-provoking, substantive comments, I will post each part 1 week at a time, so part 2 wil be up next Sunday, part 3 on Sunday 1-8-12, etc. I want to give everyone ample time to read each post, so Helena and Lynette you guys can post anytime you’re ready, and you don’t have to wait for me to finish this series to post something new.

    • December 25, 2011 10:01 pm

      “This is a touchy subject”

      Yes, this is an extremely touchy subject, Suzy. I won’t be able to answer your questions as this will surely offend many fundamentalist Christians, which I don’t want to. However those who are interested can find answers to your questions on their own, considering the main historic facts which cannot be ignored:

      – though the Old Testament is part of the Bible and has beautiful psalms and great proverbs, it reflects the stage when a new, “Good news message” of the New Testament was needed and sent to the world. The Old Testament cannot be a guide after which one’s behavior can be modeled. Instead it is a sort of register of the history of development and sins of human civilization by the time Christ was born. The behavior of many God-fearing people in the Old Testament cannot be examples for us – suffice it to mention Lot who “entered” his both daughters (and they bore children to him) because he thought that there was no one else left on earth after Sodom and Gomorrah had perished (which is incest!), or King Solomon who had one thousand wives and concubines (which is hardly a role model either).

      – the New Testament was made up in its present form in the 4th century A.C. at the orders of Bysantine emperor Constantine when he adopted Christianity. Until then a big number of Gospels had been circulating freely (as all Christ’s disciples left their own accounts of their teacher). Since there were numerous deviations the emperor asked to make them uniform. The 4 Gospels selected were no more genuine than the others, in fact none of them were written by Christ’s disciples directly (due to the initial oral tradition of passing the word from one generation to the next one). So what we have is a rendition made by those who finally put down the teaching of Christ on paper in the 2nd century A.C. or so, or several generations after Christ).

      – it was decided by the church leaders that the Gospels not included in the final selection were to be destroyed not to confuse the believers. However the fact of their destruction does not make them worse than the rest – they were just different due to the difference in the perception of Christ’s words by his different disciples. They are non-canonical but they are still genuine. After World War II some of their fragments were found in Egypt where they had been hidden by the Christian Coptic Church 2 thousand years ago. Those fragments included, for example, pages from the Gospels of Thomas and Peter. Reading them is quite a revelation – they show how huge and little understood by us the phenomenon of Christ was. The church just simplified his teaching and made some factual mistakes on the way.

      – the example of such a mistake is the different way one of Christ’s crucial thoughts was put down.

      Two Gospels put it down as “Whoever is not for us is against us” or “He that is not with me is against me” (Matthew 12:30).
      But the third Gospel says the opposite: “Whoever is not against us is for us” (Mark 9:30-41).

      The first statement essentially says “Whoever is not our friend is our enemy”
      And the second one says “Whoever is not our enemy is a friend”.

      In the first one friends are by definition few, while enemies are many.
      And in the second one enemies are few, while all the rest are friends.

      So the first one narrows down the circle to the selected few, while the second widens the circle to practically the whole world by excluding from it only some haters.

      This difference in the movement – from the outside to the center of the circle or from the center to the outside of it – makes these two statements poles apart and two different philosophies where one rules out the other.

      To me it is obvious that Christ could have said those words in the second interpretation only, embracing the whole world into friends unless they are his enemies. It is this very interpretation which I personally adhere to (which explains why I tend to accept into Michael’s supporters everyone except his haters and enemies).

      And Christian fundamentalists about whom David wrote in his post use the first interpretation of Christ’s words, which in my opinion is wrong. All people are enemies to them if they do not fit their understanding of a true believer. They are constantly on the lookout for those who do not support their idea of “what real belief is like”, labeling the “heretics” enemies and thus narrowing their circle more and more to the chosen few.

      To me it looks like the dead-end philosophy where each cuddles in his own corner and stays alone as “everyone else is an enemy”. In a way it is the manifesto of hatred.

      And the second one is the manifesto of love. Unless you are my enemy (who fights me) you are my friend and I accept you as such. I think Michael knew that this was what Christ really meant and this is what he himself adhered to in his life. Therefore it was Michael Jackson who was a messenger of the truth than these fundamentalists who call themselves Christians.

      This is just my interpretation of Christ’s words – no offence meant to anyone.

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