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Summary and Analysis of the Lies of Michael Jackson’s Former Maid Blanca Francia

February 8, 2012

Blanca Francia in 1993 during her Hard Copy interview

On April 5th, 2005, Michael Jackson’s former maid Blanca Francia took the witness stand, after being called for direct examination by Assistant District Attorney Ron Zonen.  She is the mother of Jason Francia, who was also called to testify against Michael Jackson as a “victim” of sexual abuse. (His testimony was thoroughly debunked in this post.)

Here is the background of Blanca Francia, and a summary of what she was expected to testify, based on District Attorney Thomas Sneddon’s “PLAINTIFF’S MOTION FOR ADMISSION OF EVIDENCE OF DEFENDANT’S PRIOR SEXUAL OFFENSES” pleading, which was filed on December 10th, 2004. The purpose of this motion was to give the court their reasons for wanting to call the people who claimed to have witnessed inappropriate conduct between MJ and children, and to give a summary of what they would testify that they saw. (Here is a video of the Dan Abrams show, where he and his panel discuss the ramifications of the 1108 evidence being allowed. I am working on getting it uploaded to YouTube and I will embed it here ASAP.)

Blanca Francia is the mother of Jason Francia, who was a victim of three acts of child molestation committed by defendant around 1990. Ms. Blanca is a single mother and Jason is her only son. She was hired as defendant’s personal housekeeper in 1985 while defendant was still living with his family at the Havenhurst home in Encino, California. She continued to work in this capacity for defendant after he moved to Neverland Ranch and she quit working for defendant of her own accord in June of 1991.

As defendant’s personal maid, Ms. Francia was one of the few people entrusted with access to defendant’s bedroom. Defendant would frequently give Ms. Francia large sums of cash (up to $I,000) as gifts and would often ask her to lie about defendant’s activities with young boys. During her employment, she observed that defendant would spend a great deal of his time in his bedroom alone with different young boys. Frequently, he would spend the night with them. Defendant would refer to these boys as his “special friends” and used the nickname ‘Rubba” for each of them.

Specifically, Ms. Francia observed defendant to spend a great deal of time alone with young boys named Jonathan Spence, Jimmy Safechuck, Wade Robeson and Macaulay Culkin.

Jonathan Spence was a “special friend” of defendant’s for almost two years. Spence would frequently spend the night alone with defendant. During this time, defendant had Spence refer to him as “Daddy.” While at the Havenhurst home defendant would tell Ms. Blanca to lie and conceal Spence’s presence there from defendant’s parents. Ms. Francia would clean defendant’s bedroom and observe Spence’s underwear on the floor. She also observed that defendant and Spence would take many Jacuzzis together.

Jimmy Safechuck was another “special friend” of the defendant. Safechuck was also observed to spend the night alone with defendant. While at Neverland, she observed defendant and Safechuck in a bed located in a special room at the Neverland theater. The lower portions of their bodies were under the covers and Ms. Francia could see that their upper portions were unclothed.

Wade Robeson was also a “special friend” of defendant who would frequently spend the night alone with defendant. On at least one occasion, Ms. Blanca observed Robeson’s underwear on the floor of defendant’s bedroom.

Ms. Francia also found Jackson and young Robson taking a shower together. As Jackson’s personal maid, Ms. Francia, had access to Jackson’s bedroom at any time. She was aware Jackson had installed an alarm bell in the outside hallway which would ring inside the bedroom as someone approached the bedroom’s entrance. On this particular day she went to the bedroom. She knocked on the door and received no response, so she entered the bedroom. She heard the shower running and was aware Jackson had a habit of leaving the water running.

As she approached the bathroom, she realized Jackson had not heard the alarm and she saw Jackson and young Robson nude together in the shower and Jackson was rubbing against Wade’s body. The shower was steaming so she could not see everything, but she could see Wade’s head pressed against Jackson’s stomach area. Jackson’s and Wade’s underwear were on the floor next to the shower. She immediately left and was uncertain if Jackson even saw her enter the bathroom.

Macaulay Culkin was another “special friend” of defendant. Culkin would also spend the night alone with defendant and on at least one occasion, Ms. Francia saw them in the same bed together. On another occasion while Culkin was visiting, Ms. Francia observed defendant’s and Culkin’s underwear on the floor of defendant’s bedroom.

During her employment, Ms. Francia would frequently bring her young son, Jason Francia, to work with her, and he would spend time playing with defendant. On one occasion Ms. Francia observed defendant and Jason in a dark room in the same sleeping bag. Ms. Francia noticed that defendant would give Jason up to $100 in cash at a time and feared her son was becoming one of defendant’s “special friends.” After leaving defendant’s employ, Ms. Francia noticed there was something wrong with her son. He became very depressed and angry. She obtained counseling for Jason and eventually learned he had been molested by defendant.

Well, that’s the story according to Sneddon! So let’s take a look at what Blanca herself actually said on the witness stand, and let’s see how her story holds up! Here is a complete summary and analysis of her testimony!

In this excerpt, Blanca is asked about her current occupation, and to me she gves a surprising answer, considering the multi-million dollar settlement that she extorted from MJ!

7 Q. All right. Are you the mother of Jason

8 Francia?

9 A. Yes.

10 Q. And what kind of work are you currently

11 doing?

12 A. Caregiving.

13 Q. I‟m sorry?

14 A. Caregiving.

15 Q. And what does that mean, a caregiver?

16 A. Taking care of elderly people. Disabled.

17 Q. Do you have a couple clients who you work

18 for?

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. And are they disabled in some fashion?

21 A. Yes. I deal with one six years, almost six

22 years, yeah.

23 Q. Okay.

24 A. And another one just recently, about a

25 couple of months.

26 Q. And how long have you been doing this kind

27 of work?

28 A. On and off, I‟ve been doing it for about 15 4978

1 years.

Here is when she’s asked about how she met MJ, and how long she worked for him:

11 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: How do you know Mr. Jackson?

12 A. I work — work about five years.

13 Q. When did you begin working for Mr. Jackson?

14 A. 1986.

15 Q. And where did you begin working for Mr.

16 Jackson, at what location?

17 A. Havenhurst. Encino, California.

18 Q. Havenhurst is the name of the street?

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. And was there a house on that street —

21 A. Yes.

22 Q. — where he lived?

23 All right. What were you doing for Mr.

24 Jackson at the Havenhurst residence?

25 A. I was hired to be his personal housekeeper.

26 Q. Were there other members of the Jackson

27 family living at the Havenhurst residence?

28 A. Yes. 4980

1 Q. Can you tell us who they were?

2 A. At that time Janet and LaToya, and his

3 father and mother.

4 Q. Would you describe the Havenhurst residence

5 for us, just briefly? A large home?

6 A. Their whole house? Yeah. He has his

7 separate quarters in the house. But it was in the

8 same house.

9 Q. Okay. Was it a large home?

10 A. Yes.

11 Q. And his quarters, were you responsible for

12 just his quarters or did you clean in the whole

13 house?

14 A. Well, yes, just his quarters. His place.

15 But eventually when he will go out on tour, I will

16 stay at the house and help the household.

After some more discussion about her background, Zonen began to question Blanca on her knowledge of MJ’s activities with Wade Robeson, beginning in the late 80’s. In this excerpt, he asks her about where Wade Robeson slept while visiting Neverland:

12 Q. Okay. Was there ever an occasion, to your

13 recollection, where any other child stayed with Mr.

14 Jackson in his room while Wade Robeson was there?

15 A. No.

16 Q. Only Wade Robeson?

17 A. Yes.

18 Q. All right. Was there ever an occasion where

19 you walked into his room and you saw some kind of a

20 separate sleeping arrangement, what you believe to

21 be a separate sleeping arrangement for Wade Robeson?

22 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Vague; leading;

23 foundation.

24 THE COURT: I‟ll sustain vague.

25 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: Did you ever see a sleeping

26 bag on the floor?

27 A. No.

28 Q. Did you ever see anything that causes you to 5002

1 believe that Wade Robeson was sleeping someplace

2 other than in Michael Jackson‟s bed?

3 A. No.

4 Q. Was there an occasion that you went into

5 Michael Jackson‟s room and came upon Michael Jackson

6 and Wade Robeson?

7 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading.

8 THE COURT: Overruled.

9 You may answer.

10 THE WITNESS: Did I what?

11 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: Come into Michael Jackson‟s

12 room and discover that Michael Jackson was there

13 with Wade Robeson.

14 A. Yeah.

OK, now here’s the bombshell testimony that made the media go crazy! This is where Blanca describe seeing MJ and Wade Robeson showering together!

15 Q. Okay. Was there an occasion when you went

16 in and they were in the shower?

17 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading.

18 THE COURT: Sustained.

19 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: Did you ever come in and find

20 them in a situation that made you uncomfortable?

21 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading.

22 THE COURT: Overruled.

23 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: Do you understand what I‟m

24 asking?

25 A. That I was what?

26 Q. Where you were uncomfortable. You found

27 them and you were uncomfortable.

28 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading. 5003

1 THE COURT: Overruled.

2 You may answer.

3 THE WITNESS: Well, I came one time and — in

4 the bedroom.

5 MR. ZONEN: Uh-huh.

6 THE WITNESS: And first I thought they were

7 playing.

8 MR. MESEREAU: Objection.


10 MR. MESEREAU: Nonresponsive.

11 THE COURT: Sustained.

12 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: All right. The question was

13 “yes” or “no.”

14 A. Yes.

15 Q. Okay. Tell us what you heard when you first

16 walked into the room.

17 A. Laughing.

18 Q. Okay.

19 A. And playing; like playing around.

20 Q. Okay. What did you do?

21 A. I came in, and I — first I thought that

22 they were playing in the bathtub, Jacuzzi, and I

23 didn‟t see them. And then I thought they were

24 outside, playing outside the house; I mean, in his

25 garden. And I walked and they were in the shower.

26 Q. You have to explain to us a little bit the

27 layout here.

28 A. Uh-huh. 5004

1 Q. Is there a Jacuzzi inside his house, inside

2 his bedroom?

3 A. Inside his bedroom, yeah.

4 Q. So explain that for us. Describe to us what

5 you get to first. The shower? The Jacuzzi?

6 Explain how it‟s laid out.

7 A. First, you get to the bed. And then you get

8 in the bathroom, they call it the ladies‟ bathroom,

9 and there‟s a big Jacuzzi there.

10 Q. Okay. Was there a door that goes to that

11 bathroom?

12 A. Yeah.

13 Q. Was the door open or was the door closed?

14 A. No, the door is open. It was open.

15 Q. And what did — did you look into that door?

16 A. Which door?

17 Q. The door that goes to the bathroom.

18 A. Well, I have to go through there.

19 Q. Okay.

20 A. Yeah.

21 Q. What do you mean, you have to go through

22 there?

23 A. To get to the bathroom.

24 Q. And did you do that?

25 A. Yeah.

26 Q. What did you see?

27 A. And then I was going to walk outside to the

28 garden, but then — 5005

1 Q. Okay.

2 A. — on my way going, I peek, and it was in

3 the shower.

4 Q. And what did you see?

5 A. And I hear this playing around. That‟s

6 where he was taking a shower, I guess.

7 Q. Okay.

8 A. With little Wade.

9 Q. What did you see? Tell me what you saw.

10 A. I — what I saw, I — just some clothes on

11 the floor.

12 Q. You saw clothes on the floor in the bathroom

13 or in the bedroom?

14 A. No, in the shower.

15 Q. In —

16 A. By the shower.

17 Q. By the shower. What clothing did you see on

18 the floor?

19 A. Underwear.

20 Q. Underwear?

21 A. (Nods head up and down.)

22 Q. More than one pair?

23 A. Yeah.

24 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading.

25 THE COURT: Overruled. Next question.

26 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: How many pair did you see?

27 A. Two.

28 Q. Two pair of underwear? 5006

1 A. Yeah.

2 Q. Did you recognize the underwear?

3 A. Yeah.

4 Q. And how did you happen to recognize the

5 underwear?

6 A. The — Mr. Jackson‟s, I knew they were

7 white. And the little boy, they were colored.

8 Q. All right.

9 A. They were little underwear.

Here is where she describes what she saw and heard in the shower:

5 Q. And then you heard the water?

6 A. Yeah, because I hear two people, you know,

7 playing.

8 Q. And you say you heard two people playing.

9 What were the sounds that you heard?

10 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; asked and

11 answered.

12 THE COURT: Sustained.

13 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: Did you hear two voices?

14 A. Yeah.

15 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; asked and

16 answered.

17 THE COURT: Leading; sustained.

18 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: For what period of time did

19 you hear sounds?

20 A. Maybe about a minute.

21 Q. Did you recognize the voices that you heard?

22 A. Yeah.

23 Q. Whose voices were they?

24 A. Mr. Jackson.

25 Q. Did you recognize the second voice?

26 A. Yeah.

27 Q. Whose voice was that?

28 A. The little kid, the — 5009

1 Q. Wade?

2 A. Wade‟s, little boy.

3 Q. When you finally reached a spot where you

4 could see in, was your vision obscured by anything?

5 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Leading; assumes

6 facts not in evidence.

7 MR. ZONEN: Withdraw the evidence —

8 withdraw the question.

9 Q. In that bathroom, is there a shower curtain?

10 A. No.

11 Q. What is there in that bathroom?

12 A. A glass door.

13 Q. A glass door. Is it a glass door that is

14 fogged or is it a glass door that is clear?

15 A. It‟s clear, but at that time it was smoky.

16 Q. Okay. Smoky?

17 A. Cloudy.

18 Q. Cloudy? From the shower?

19 A. Yeah.

20 Q. All right. When there‟s no shower going,

21 can you see through the glass?

22 A. Yeah.

23 Q. On this occasion when the shower was going,

24 could you see through the glass?

25 A. No.

26 Q. Could you see any figure at all? What could

27 you see?

28 MR. MESEREAU: Asked and answered. 5010

1 THE WITNESS: I saw a figure.

2 MR. ZONEN: Hold on.

3 THE COURT: Just a minute.

4 The objection is overruled. “I saw a

5 figure” is the answer. Go ahead.

6 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: Did you see more than one

7 figure?

8 A. Yeah.

9 Q. All right. Did you recognize either of the

10 figures that you saw?

11 A. Mr. Jackson.

12 Q. All right.

13 A. And the little kid.

14 Q. Was one figure larger than the other?

15 A. Yeah.

16 Q. Was the second figure the size of Wade

17 Robeson?

18 A. Yeah. Yes.

19 Q. What did you do at that point?

20 A. That he was going to get mad, or —

21 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; nonresponsive.

22 THE COURT: Sustained.

23 MR. MESEREAU: Move to strike.

24 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: What did you do at the time

25 that you saw Mr. Jackson and Wade Robeson in the

26 shower? What did you do then?

27 A. I was going to talk to them, but then I

28 thought, “No, I better not,” so I just went back. 5011

1 Q. Did you leave the room?

2 A. I — yeah, I left the room.

3 Q. Did you tell Mr. Jackson that you had been

4 in the room?

5 A. No.

6 Q. Did you back into the room at a later time?

7 A. Yeah, to clean the room.

Let’s see what Wade Robeson had to say about Blanca’s claims! Here is an excerpt from his direct examination on May 5th, 2005:

Q. Have you ever taken a shower with Mr.


A. No.

Q. Have you ever gone swimming with Mr.


A. Yes.

Q. And please explain what you mean.

A. One time with my sister and I, my sister and

I and Michael, we went in the Jacuzzi at Neverland


Q. And do you know approximately when that was?

A. I don’t. I can’t say for sure. I have a 9100

feeling that it was within that first trip in ‘89

when I went there.

Q. Do you recall what Mr. Jackson was wearing

in the Jacuzzi?

A. From my recollection, he was wearing shorts.

You know, like swimming shorts. And that was it.

Q. Did anything inappropriate ever happen in

that Jacuzzi?

A. No.

Q. Has anything inappropriate ever happened in

any shower with you and Mr. Jackson?

A. No. Never been in a shower with him.

And here is an excerpt of his cross examination by Ron Zonen later that day:

Q. Did your mother ever complain to you that

you were losing contact with her and that she was

losing her contact with you? Did she ever say that?

A. No.

Q. In fact, she was very upset over the fact

that she was losing her ability to have access to

her son, wasn’t she?

A. No.

Q. Was there, in fact, a shower at Neverland in

the suite, the bedroom suite?

A. Yes.

Q. But you didn’t use it?

A. I used it by myself.

Q. Was he in the room while you were using it?

A. In the bedroom, not in the shower room,

which had its own door.

Q. You were seven years old when you started

using that shower; is that correct?

A. Yes.

Now, back to Blanca’s testimony! She then goes on to discuss her own “concern” for her son Jason!

15 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: Just tell us what you saw

16 with Jason.

17 A. Well, he was sitting on his lap.

18 Q. Okay. And what concerned you?

19 A. And I walked in, and he was sitting on his

20 lap, and Mr. Jackson was just reclining, reclining

21 to the back.

22 Q. Reclining?

23 A. Reclining to the back.

24 Q. Okay.

25 A. And having my son in his lap.

26 Q. And where was Jason positioned on his lap?

27 A. His legs.

28 Q. Okay. And what did you do? 5013

1 A. I just told my son to get out. And he

2 was — I remember he say, “No, I‟m fine.”

3 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Nonresponsive;

4 move to strike.

5 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: You told your son to get out?

6 THE COURT: Just a moment.

7 Stricken.

8 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: You told your son to get out?

9 A. Yeah.

10 Q. Did he do so?

11 A. No.

12 Q. What did you do then?

13 A. I think I push him, and — oh, he was —

14 some kind of — reading a book or coloring. And Mr.

15 Jackson say, “I want him to read,” or “I‟m reading a

16 story,” something like that.

17 Q. Did you take your son off of his lap?

18 A. Yeah. Yes.

Now, notice how she said that Jason was sitting on MJ’s legs, as MJ reclined and read him a book. Let’s contrast this account with what Jason initially told police in his first interview on 1993, and what he said under cross examination on April, 2005.

Here is what he initially told police about the first “incident”:

26 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Do you remember telling

27 the police in that interview, “We started tickling

 28 each other and my mom just grabbed me and, „Let‟s go‟”?

… 16 Q. Well, on a number of occasions, you told

17 them, “We tickled each other and then I left,”

18 didn‟t you, words to that effect?

19 A. Yeah. Again, I was fighting with everything

20 I had.

21 Q. I‟m not asking you what you were doing. I‟m

22 just asking if that‟s true, okay? On a number of

23 occasions, you said, “We just tickled each other and

 24 then I left,” right?

25 A. Okay.

Now this is what he said in 2005. Notice how he embellishes his story by saying he was watching TV while sitting on MJ’s lap!

14 Q. What happened?

15 A. I was sitting on his lap, and I was young,

16 and I was small. I‟m still thin. I was even

17 thinner then. Sitting on his lap, watching T.V.,

18 which that‟s normal enough in itself. And then

19 we — I was kind of facing the T.V., and he was

20 facing the T.V. as well, so my back was to his

21 chest. And it was — there was just one chair, and

 22 there wasn‟t much furniture in that hideout place.

23 And I was just sitting there watching T.V., and so

 24 was he. I think we were watching cartoons. And he

25 just started tickling me, which, cool, shoot, I was

26 a tickle guy. I tickled him back, but still kind of

27 from the back, kind of reaching around.

28 And then we went to the floor, I think, but 4818

1 I can‟t completely remember right now. But we

2 somehow got on the floor, tickling still, because

3 I‟m doing what — these little kid things, you know,

4 when you shimmy back and forth.

5 And then I‟m tickling and he‟s tickling, and

6 I‟m tickling and he‟s tickling, and it eventually

7 moved down to — to — to my little private region

8 when you‟re a little kid. I don‟t know if you want

9 me to call it specifically something, but around my

10 crotch area. And I didn‟t — you know, you‟re

11 seven. I didn‟t think it was wrong. Well, I did.

12 Because he‟s tickling, but I‟m laughing, and I‟m

 13 tickling him back, trying to get him to stop, but

 14 then I‟m tickling too much. I‟m laughing too much.

 15 And eventually it stopped. I don‟t know how.

16 Q. Did he actually make contact with your

17 genital area?

18 A. Not skin to skin, but, yeah. Yeah, he was

19 on my clothes, yeah.

20 Q. Do you know for approximately how long?

21 A. Distinctly I can‟t remember. It was a

22 while, though.

23 Q. By a little while, can you give us a sense

24 of it?

25 A. More than three minutes, less than 20. Less

26 than ten minutes, I think.

27 Q. Okay.

OK, so let’s summarize the discrepancies between Blanca’s testimony, Jason’s testimony, and Jason’s interview with the police:

the boy wasn’t watching TV. He was reading a book or it was probably Michael who was reading to him.

– he was positioned on Michael’s legs and not in the crotch area

– he was sitting on Michael’s legs because there was only one chair in the room

– Michael was not pressing himself on the boy as he was reclining to the back of the chair

– now Jason says he “doesn’t remember” how it ended

– but his mother does. She just took him off Michael’s lap and they left

– so there was no “floor” scene AT ALL.

So what Jason Francia was saying about that episode in 2005 was a FLAT LIE!

Now, unto the remainder of Blanca’s testimony. Here is where she discusses seeing Jason in a sleeping bag at the “Hideout”, and how he didn’t want to get out of the sleeping bag to go and eat! If he was being abused, and felt uncomfortable, don’t you think he would have readily left that situation?

22 Q. Did you ever see Jason on or in the sleeping

23 bag?

24 A. One time.

25 Q. Was Mr. Jackson there?

26 A. Yes.

27 Q. Were they on the sleeping bag or were they

28 in the sleeping bag? 5017

1 A. They were on the sleeping bag, yeah.

2 Q. On top of the sleeping bag?

3 A. Yeah.

4 Q. Could you see their body — bodies, both of

5 them?

6 A. Not Mr. Jackson‟s.

7 Q. Why not?

8 A. Because it was covered.

9 Q. Okay. So the sleeping bag covered Mr.

10 Jackson?

11 A. Yeah.

12 Q. How about Jason? Where was Jason?

13 A. He was in the sleeping bag, too.

14 Q. He was in the sleeping bag.

15 How were they positioned relative to each

16 other? Do you know what I mean? Were they facing

17 each other? Were they facing away from each other?

18 Do you recall?

19 A. I remember this time he was this — on this

20 side, and my son was on this side. And I got there

21 about three or four times, and one time he was — my

22 son was —

23 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; nonresponsive.

24 THE COURT: It‟s kind of hard to tell. Maybe

25 you could start with another question.

26 MR. ZONEN: Yes, I can.

27 Q. I asked you initially how they were

28 positioned. In other words, were they facing each 5018

1 other? Were they facing away from each other? Do

2 you recall? When you saw them the first time.

3 A. The first time, my son was just laying

4 there.

5 Q. Okay.

6 A. But on one time, because I was cooking for

7 Mr. Jackson, I was doing some lunch, or snacks, or

8 something —

9 Q. I‟m sorry?

10 A. I was cooking some snacks.

11 Q. Snacks. Okay.

12 A. Popcorn.

13 Q. Okay.

14 A. I don‟t remember.

15 Q. Are we still talking about the same event,

16 the same day?

17 A. Yes.

18 Q. Okay. So when —

19 A. Hmm?

20 Q. When you first saw your son in the sleeping

21 bag with Mr. Jackson, did you say anything to your

22 son at all when you first saw him in the sleeping

23 bag?

24 A. I told him to come up, outside, and eat,

25 because I wanted to feed him.

26 Q. Okay. And did he?

27 A. No.

28 Q. All right. What did you do? 5019

1 A. He say, “I want to stay here.”

2 Q. Okay. What did you do?

3 A. And — well, I got mad. And I said, you

4 know, “You got to get out to the kitchen,” and he

5 didn‟t wanted to.

Here is where she’s questioned about Macaulay Culkin, and pay attention to what she says when asked if members of his family stayed in the bedroom:

4 Q. During the time that Macaulay Culkin stayed

5 in Mr. Jackson‟s bedroom, do you know if other

6 members of his family also stayed in the bedroom

7 with them?

8 A. Yeah, I think they did.

Here is where Blanca lies about how and why her employment at Neverland ended in 1991:

3 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: Did you leave your employment

4 at Neverland?

5 A. Yes.

6 Q. Okay. Did you leave of your own volition?

7 A. Yes.

8 Q. Do you remember when it was you left

9 Neverland?

10 A. May, I think.

11 Q. Of what year?

12 A. „91. „90 or „91. „91, I think.

13 Q. May of „91?

14 A. „91.

Now this is when Zonen begins to question her about her experiences with law enforcement officials in their investigation of the Chandler accusations. Notice how she confirms that she did not contact law enforcement, but they contacted her!

7 Q. Were you contacted by law enforcement at

8 some time after you left Neverland, your employment

9 at Neverland, for an interview?

10 A. Yeah. 1994 or „93. I don‟t remember.

11 Q. „93 or „94? So it was already some time

12 after you left Neverland; is that right?

13 A. Yes.

14 Q. At least a year, and probably two?

15 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading.

16 MR. ZONEN: Let me withdraw the question.

17 Q. How long after you left your employment at

18 Neverland was it that law enforcement contacted you?

19 A. About two and a half years.

20 Q. Did you contact them or did they contact

21 you?

22 A. They came to me.

23 Q. At the time they contacted you, did you know

24 whether or not there was an investigation going on

25 involving Mr. Jackson?

26 A. Yeah. Yes. I was — kind of.

27 Q. Were you expecting to be contacted?

28 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Calls for 5034

1 speculation; relevance; foundation.

2 MR. ZONEN: Goes to her state of mind.

3 THE COURT: Sustained.

4 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: All right. Did it come as a

5 surprise to you when you were contacted?

6 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Relevance;

7 foundation; leading.

8 THE COURT: And I‟m going to back up a minute

9 and change my ruling on the question, “Were you

10 expecting to be contacted?” She may answer that

11 “yes” or “no.” I‟ll overrule the last objection.

12 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: Did you understand that? You

13 may answer the question, “Were you expecting to be

14 contacted?”

15 A. Yes and no.

Here is where she describes being subpoenaed and deposed by Larry Feldman. She was asked if she knew what a deposition is, and for the readers of this blog who may not know what a deposition is, or the legal significance of it is compared to a declaration, please read this post about the declaration (and not a deposition!) that Jordan Chandler gave in December 1993:

16 Q. Did you ultimately give an interview with

17 the sheriff‟s office?

18 A. Yes.

19 Q. At some point in time were you called to

20 give a deposition? Were you subpoenaed to give a

21 deposition?

22 A. I was subpoenaed, yeah.

23 Q. All right. Now, do you know who it was who

24 subpoenaed you to give a deposition?

25 A. Mr. Feldman.

26 Q. Was that Larry Feldman?

27 A. Yes.

28 Q. Do you know who Larry Feldman represented at 5035

1 that time?

2 A. Yeah. Another little boy.

3 Q. I‟m sorry?

4 A. Another little boy.

5 Q. Do you know that person‟s name?

6 A. The — the little boy?

7 Q. Yes, that he represented.

8 A. At that time I didn‟t know. Now — now I

9 hear —

10 Q. What do you know the name to be?

11 A. Chandler. Chandler. Something like that.

12 But I don‟t know. I don‟t know the first name.

13 Q. Did you know that child, Mr. Chandler?

14 A. No. No.

15 Q. “Mr.” You don‟t know how old he was? You

16 don‟t know how old he was?

17 A. No.

18 Q. Did you know his first name?

19 A. No.

20 Q. Was this a child you were ever introduced to

21 during the time that you were at Neverland?

22 A. No.

23 Q. And tell us what a deposition is. Having

24 gone through one, what is it?

25 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; foundation.

26 MR. ZONEN: Well, let me withdraw that.

27 Q. Did you, in fact, go through a deposition?

28 A. Did I went through — 5036

1 Q. Did you have a deposition? Did they take

2 your deposition?

3 A. Yeah. Yes.

4 Q. Okay. And did you, in fact, give testimony

5 in that deposition?

6 A. Yes.

Here is her description of the lawyers that took part in the deposition:

10 Q. Were there other lawyers in the room asking

11 you questions as well?

12 A. Yes.

13 Q. Who were the other lawyers? Do you remember

14 any of their names?

15 A. I remember Johnnie Cochran, and there were

16 about five or six.

17 Q. About five or six lawyers?

18 A. Yeah.

19 Q. All in the room at one time?

20 A. Yeah.

21 Q. And was Johnnie Cochran asking you

22 questions?

23 A. Yes.

24 Q. Were other lawyers asking you questions as

25 well?

26 A. I don‟t remember. But I think there was one

27 “Waysman” or “Wiseman.”

28 Q. Weitzman? Perhaps Howard Weitzman? 5037

1 A. I don‟t remember his last name. I mean –

2 Q. Do you know on which side Mr. Weitzman was?

3 A. With Mr. Cochran.

4 Q. He was with Mr. Cochran?

5 A. They were the two together, yeah.

6 Q. Who did Mr. Cochran and Mr. Weitzman

7 represent?

8 A. Mr. Jackson.

9 Q. Okay. Was Mr. Jackson present during that

10 deposition?

11 A. No.

12 Q. Was he ever there during the deposition at

13 any time?

14 A. No.

15 Q. Did that deposition go longer than one day?

16 A. Yeah.

17 Q. How many days did it go?

18 A. Two days.

19 Q. Do you know how many hours each day you were

20 deposed?

21 A. No.

22 Q. Do you know if there were other lawyers

23 sitting with Mr. Feldman, Larry Feldman, in other

24 words, on his side, other than Mr. Feldman?

25 A. No.

26 Q. Was Mr. Feldman the only one asking you

27 questions from that side?

28 A. Yes. 5038

Here is where she is asked about if she knows the legal significance of a deposition, and about her interview with Diane Dimond for Hard Copy. Notice how she said during her deposition that she did not see Wade Robeson in the shower with MJ, and that she was “tired and nervous”!

15 Q. Miss Francia, when you had this deposition

16 that went on for two days, and you say that there

17 were lawyers, a number of them in the room, did you

18 have a lawyer with you?

19 A. No.

20 Q. Had you retained a lawyer at that time?

21 A. Not at that time, no.

22 Q. Did you give answers to questions that were

23 put to you at that time.

24 A. Did I answer?

25 Q. Yes.

26 A. Yes.

27 Q. Did you — did they explain to you that a

28 deposition is the same thing as testifying? 5039

1 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading.

2 THE COURT: Just a moment.

3 MR. ZONEN: I‟ll withdraw the question.

4 THE COURT: Overrruled.

5 MR. ZONEN: I won‟t withdraw the question.

6 THE COURT: You may answer.

7 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: Did they explain to you that

8 a deposition was the same thing as testifying?

9 A. No.

10 Q. Did you have to raise your hand to take an

11 oath to tell the truth?

12 A. Oh, yeah.

13 Q. And you did do that?

14 A. Yeah.

15 Q. All right. Did they ask you questions

16 about — questions similar to the questions I‟ve

17 asked you so far since you‟ve been on the witness

18 stand?

19 A. (Nods head up and down.)

20 Q. You have to answer out loud, if you would,

21 please.

22 A. Yes.

23 Q. All right. Did they ask you about Wade

24 Robeson?

25 A. Yes.

26 Q. Did they ask you if in fact you had seen

27 them in the shower together?

28 A. Yes. 5040

1 Q. Do you remember the answers that you gave to

2 those questions?

3 A. Kind of.

4 Q. Did you tell one of the attorneys that you

5 did not see Wade Robeson in the shower?

6 A. Yeah, I probably did.

7 Q. All right. Was that accurate?

8 A. Well, at that time I guess I was tired and

9 nervous, I guess.

10 Q. Did you tell them that you believed Wade

11 Robeson was in the shower?

12 A. Yes, I told them that.

13 Q. Did you tell them about the underwear?

14 A. Yeah.

15 Q. Did you tell them about hearing the voices?

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. Did you tell them about the music?

18 A. Yes.

19 Q. Did you do an interview for Hard Copy?

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. What is Hard Copy?

22 A. A program.

23 Q. A program?

24 A. Yeah.

25 Q. A program on what? On television?

26 A. On television, yeah.

27 Q. Was that a program that you had seen before

28 that interview? 5041

1 A. No.

2 Q. Had you ever watched Hard Copy before?

3 A. No.

4 Q. Do you know what kind of — did you know —

5 before you were on it, did you know what kind of a

6 program it was?

7 A. No.

8 Q. Were you — did somebody contact you from

9 Hard Copy?

10 A. Yeah.

11 Q. And do you remember who that was who

12 contacted you?

13 A. That — the lady who interview me.

14 Q. Okay. Do you happen to remember her name?

15 A. Yeah.

16 Q. What was her name?

17 A. Diane Dimond.

18 Q. Diane Dimond. Did you discuss with Miss

19 Dimond what it was she wanted to talk with you

20 about?

21 A. Yeah, we kind of talk about it.

22 Q. Okay. Did you agree to go on television?

23 A. Yeah.

Here is where Blanca discusses how her friend, former Neverland housekeeper Evangeline, contacted Dimond about setting up the interview, and she split the $20,000 dollars with her! And pay attention to Blanca’s admission that she didn’t think she would be asked about MJ “the way that they asked her”!

24 Q. Was there some discussion with Miss Dimond

25 about whether or not you would be paid or

26 compensated for appearing on television?

27 A. Yeah. My friend and I went together.

28 Q. You went with a friend? 5042

1 A. Yeah.

2 Q. Who was your friend?

3 A. One of — one of the workers at Neverland.

4 Q. One of the workers at Neverland?

5 A. Yeah.

6 Q. What was her name?

7 A. Evangeline.

8 Q. Evangeline?

9 A. Yes.

10 Q. And what did she do at Neverland?

11 A. She was a housekeeper and a cook.

12 Q. A housekeeper and a cook?

13 A. And a cook, yeah. And she helped the cook.

14 Q. Okay. And you were talking with Diane

15 Dimond with Evangeline?

16 A. Yeah.

17 Q. All right. Why is that? Why was Evangeline

18 there, or Vangie, was why she there?

19 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; foundation.

20 THE COURT: I‟m not sure what you‟re

21 looking for, foundation.

22 MR. MESEREAU: And speculation.

23 THE COURT: Okay.

24 MR. ZONEN: I‟ll withdraw that, then. I

25 understand that objection.

26 Q. Did you ask Evangeline to be there with you?

27 A. She was the one who contact, I believe,

28 Diane Dimond. 5043

1 Q. Did she — she‟s the one who introduced you

2 to Diane Dimond?

3 A. Yeah, she was the one who told me, you know,

4 that she can get everything arranged.

5 Q. Okay. That she could arrange the interview?

6 A. The interview, yeah.

7 Q. And payment as well?

8 A. Yeah. She say, “I‟ll help you.”

9 Q. What did you understand the interview to be

10 about? What did they want to ask you about?

11 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Calls for

12 speculation.

13 MR. ZONEN: Withdraw the question.

14 Q. What was your belief that you were going to

15 be telling them?

16 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Leading.

17 THE WITNESS: About —

18 THE COURT: Overruled. You may answer.

19 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: What was your belief that you

20 would be telling them?

21 A. About me working there.

22 Q. Working where?

23 A. At Neverland.

24 Q. Okay. Did you think they would be asking

25 you questions about Michael Jackson?

26 A. No. I mean, that — not the way they were

27 asking me.

In this excerpt, she discusses the $20k she was paid, and how it was more than her annual salary at that time! No wonder she agreed to do the interview!

28 Q. How much money did they represent from Hard 5044

1 Copy — how much money did they represent that they

2 would give you for an interview?

3 A. How much money they gave me?

4 Q. Yes.

5 A. $20,000.

6 Q. $20,000.

7 A. Yes.

8 Q. And what were you going to do for $20,000?

9 What were you going to say in this interview for

10 $20,000?

11 A. Well, I — I thought that it was going to be

12 just talking about, you know, how it was working for

13 him and how he was.

14 Q. Did that seem, to you, an unusually large

15 amount of money?

16 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading.

17 THE COURT: Sustained.

18 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: How much money were you

19 making a year at that time?

20 A. Less than $20,000.

21 Q. Less than $20,000?

22 A. Yeah, probably around 20.

Here is where Blanca describes giving some of the money to Evangeline for setting up the interview, and how it took place after she was contacted by police, but before her deposition with Larry Feldman:

7 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: I asked you about the

8 interview with Hard Copy. You finally did that

9 interview, did you not?

10 A. Yes.

11 Q. Did you watch it on television when it was

12 screened?

13 A. No.

14 Q. Have you ever watched it?

15 A. No. I watch a little bit, you know, when

16 I —

17 Q. Did you receive $20,000?

18 A. Yes.

19 Q. Okay. Do you know if your friend Evangeline

20 got any money?

21 A. She didn‟t get any money from them, no. I

22 gave her some money.

23 Q. Was that interview — was that interview

24 with Hard Copy before or after your interview with

25 the sheriff‟s detectives?

26 A. After.

27 Q. Was it before or after your deposition with

28 Larry Feldman and Johnnie Cochran? 5046

1 A. Oh, before.

2 Q. It was before the deposition?

3 A. Yes.

Zonen goes on to ask Blanca if she was asked about stealing from MJ’s room while working for him. This is significant because Blanca was fired in part for theft, and I’ll go into those details later on in this post:

12 Q. All right. When you had the deposition with

13 Johnnie Cochran, did he ask you if you ever took

14 something from —

15 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; misstates the

16 evidence. There were other lawyers involved.

17 THE COURT: Overruled.

18 You may —

19 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: When you had the

20 deposition —

21 It was overruled, Your Honor?

22 THE COURT: It was overruled. Yes.

23 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: When you had the deposition

24 with Johnnie Cochran, did he or any other lawyer

25 representing Michael Jackson ask you if you took

26 something from Michael Jackson‟s room?

27 A. I don‟t remember.

28 Q. Did they ask you about a watch? 5049

1 A. Yeah.

2 Q. Do you remember the watch?

3 A. Yes.

4 Q. Did you have a watch from Michael Jackson?

5 A. Did he have it?

6 Q. No. Did he ever give you a watch?

7 A. I got it from his room.

8 Q. What kind of a watch are we talking about?

9 A. It was a toy watch. You know, like I think

10 it was from one of his commercials or something.

11 Q. Did you —

12 A. That I had it, and he look at it, and he

13 say, “Oh, that‟s nice.” And I say, “Yeah, I got it

14 from your room.” And he didn‟t — I told one of the

15 housekeepers that I — “Oh, look what I got from his

16 room.” But I guess I used to get stuff from his

17 room and —

18 Q. Are you talking about promotional things?

19 A. Yeah. Things like that.

20 Q. What is a promotional item? What do you

21 mean by that?

22 A. Like when he make a commercial. I think

23 this watch was from Captain Eo.

She later goes on to describe the settlement that she extorted from MJ, and how MJ did not give her permission to take items from his residence:

3 Q. All right. At some point in time, did you

4 talk with — let me change that. At some point in

5 time, did you agree to file a lawsuit against

6 Michael Jackson?

7 A. Not at that time.

8 Q. Do you know if there was some kind of a

9 settlement with Michael Jackson‟s attorneys?

10 A. Yes.

11 Q. Did you receive — and I‟m not asking you

12 how much, but did you receive compensation?

13 A. Yes.

14 Q. Did you receive payment?

15 A. Yes.

16 Q. Did Jason also receive payment?

17 A. Yeah. Yes.

18 Q. When did he receive his payment?

19 A. I believe it was his 18th birthday.

20 Q. His 18th birthday?

21 I had asked you a question about the watch

22 from his room. Did Mr. Jackson ever talk to you

23 about being able to take things if you wanted to?

24 A. He never told me that.

25 Q. Did he say anything like that?

26 A. Oh. No.

27 Q. There was no conversation about that?

28 A. He told me that sometimes people gave him 5053

1 things, and that he‟d display it, and then — you

2 know, and then he would like to get rid of it.

3 Q. Did you show him the watch?

4 A. Yeah. At one time I was wearing it, one of

5 his jackets, and he say — and he told me that it

6 was his jacket. And I say, “Yeah, I was cold.” And

7 he say, “Oh, that‟s okay.”

That ends her direct examination. Now unto the good stuff! Let the cross examination begin! Mesereau goes straight for the jugular by asking Blanca about exculpatory statements that she made during her depositions on December 15th, 1993 and January 11th, 1994:

4 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Okay. Okay. Do you

5 remember in your deposition saying you had never

6 seen Mr. Jackson touch anyone improperly?

7 A. Yeah, I —

8 Q. Do you remember saying you never saw him

9 touch anyone?

10 A. Yeah.

11 Q. You did say that, didn‟t you?

12 A. Yes.

13 Q. Okay. And in that deposition, you told the

14 truth, right?

15 A. As — as I recall it at that time, yeah.

16 Q. You told the truth at that time, right?

17 A. As I remember it.

18 Q. Yes. And you were under oath, right?

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. Okay. And you said that you had never seen

21 Michael Jackson touch anyone in a sexual way, right?

22 A. Yeah.

23 Q. Okay. And you said at no time while you

24 worked for Michael Jackson did you ever see him have

25 sexual contact with anyone, right?

26 A. When I say “sexual,” I mean sexual.

27 Q. But you did say under oath that you had

28 never saw Mr. Jackson have sexual contact with 5072

1 anyone, right?

2 A. No. No.

3 Q. Isn‟t that what you said?

4 A. Yeah, yeah, that‟s what I said.

As you can see from that above exchange, temporary amnesia must run in the Francia family! In this next exchange, Mesereau debunks the myth that only boys were allowed to visit Michael by asking her if she remembered seeing the daughters of Quincy Jones and Lionel Ritchie at Hayvenhurst and Neverland. The fact that she “doesn’t remember” seeing them there is irrelevant; they were there, and Mesereau effectively debunked that lie! (Here is a blog post that summarizes all of the young girls and women that MJ had friendships with):

3 Q. Okay. Okay. All right. Now, do you know

4 who Quincy Jones is?

5 A. Yes.

6 Q. And who‟s Quincy Jones?

7 A. A writer, I think.

8 Q. Okay. And his daughter used to visit

9 Michael, right?

10 A. At Havenhurst.

11 MR. ZONEN: Beyond the scope of the direct,

12 and irrelevant.

13 THE COURT: Overruled. Go ahead.

14 THE WITNESS: At Havenhurst?


16 A. I think she was there a couple of times.

17 Q. Her name was Kidada, right?

18 A. I don‟t know.

19 Q. But you saw her visit Michael, correct?

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. Did you ever see — do you know who Lionel

22 Ritchie is?

23 A. Yes.

24 Q. Did you ever see his daughter visit the

25 Jacksons?

26 A. Not at Havenhurst.

27 Q. Okay. Did you see her visit Michael?

28 A. Him I remember visiting. 5080

1 Q. You remember him visiting Michael. You

2 don‟t remember his daughter?

3 A. No.

Sneddon and Zonen obviously knew that they had to make sure that Blanca knew what to say once she was cross-examined, so they met with her and discussed what she would be asked! Once again, she has a memory relapse (just like her son Jason), and she didn’t initially remember that she met with Zonen! Blanca also mentioned how Larry Feldman went to her house to speak with her before her 1993 deposition!

4 Q. Okay. Before you testified today, did you

5 meet with any prosecutor to discuss what you were

6 going to be asked?

7 A. Yeah.

8 Q. And when did that meeting take place?

9 A. Saturday.

10 Q. And who did you meet with?

11 A. I don‟t remember his name.

12 Q. Pardon me?

13 A. Ron, I think.

14 Q. Prosecutor Zonen?

15 A. And another one.

16 Q. Okay. And how long did the meeting take

17 place?

18 A. Couple of hours.

19 Q. And how many people were there meeting with

20 you?

21 A. Just the two of them.

22 Q. Did they tell you what they were going to

23 ask you in court?

24 A. They — they went to what I say before.

25 Q. Did they discuss the questions they were

26 going to ask you today?

27 A. Kinda.

28 Q. And did they discuss your answers with you? 5081

1 A. No. They told me about, you know, what I

2 say in my deposition before, and if I remember, and

3 there was stuff that I didn‟t remember.

4 Q. Did they give you a copy of your deposition

5 to look at?

6 A. No.

7 Q. Did they appear to be reading from your

8 deposition?

9 A. No.

10 Q. Okay. Did they have any documents they

11 showed you?

12 A. Yeah. They gave me a paper of things that I

13 say when I talk to another detective.

14 Q. Okay.

15 A. Not — not at my deposition.

16 Q. Okay. So it was a paper that they gave you

17 to look at?

18 A. Yeah.

19 Q. And what was on that paper, if you remember?

20 A. When I talked to the other detectives, they

21 came, you know, at the beginning.

22 Q. Okay.

23 A. The first time.

24 Q. Do you remember meeting with a lawyer named

25 Larry Feldman?

26 A. Yes.

27 Q. And you met with Larry Feldman before your

28 deposition was taken, right? 5082

1 A. Yes.

2 Q. And he came out to see you, didn‟t he? Let

3 me rephrase it. Maybe you don‟t understand.

4 A. Yeah, I understand.

5 Q. You do?

6 A. But I don‟t remember. Yeah, I think he did.

7 He came to my house, I think.

8 Q. He came to your house, didn‟t he?

9 A. (Nods head up and down.)

10 Q. And he wanted to speak to you before your

11 deposition was taken by him, right?

12 A. Yes. Yes.

After suffering yet ANOTHER memory relapse, and having to be reminded the Ron Zonen had previously talked to her in an interview, Blanca is questioned about her interview with Hard Copy in 1993, and admits that she was also contacted by – guess who? – The National Enquirer and the LA Times, and that she testified in her deposition that the people at Hard Copy are not honest!

3 Q. Okay. Okay. And do you remember having a

4 meeting with Prosecutor Zonen and Terry Cannon last

5 year?

6 A. On December? It was — Zonen? I don‟t know

7 his last name. He was a tall guy.

8 Q. Prosecutor Zonen, who you see right here —

9 A. Oh.

10 Q. — do you remember meeting with him?

11 A. Oh. Yeah, I think he was — he was there,

12 too. That‟s when they gave me that deposition.

13 Q. Okay. Okay. In your deposition, you said

14 that you had never seen Mr. Jackson molest a child,

15 right?

16 MR. ZONEN: Objection; asked and answered.

17 THE COURT: Overruled.

18 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: In your deposition, you

19 said under oath you had never seen Mr. Jackson

20 molest a child, right?

21 A. Molest a child? No. Yeah, I say that.

22 Q. Okay. Was it after that deposition that you

23 were interviewed by Hard Copy?

24 A. No.

25 Q. It was before?

26 A. Oh, before I met with him, with — at my

27 deposition? No, that interview was before.

28 Q. So the interview with Hard Copy was before 5085

1 the deposition —

2 A. Yes.

3 Q. — right?

4 And that‟s the interview you were paid

5 $20,000 —

6 A. Yes.

7 Q. — to do, right?

8 A. Yes.

9 Q. And that‟s the interview that you had your

10 friend Evangeline help you arrange, right?

11 A. Yes.

12 Q. And then after you were paid, you said you

13 paid her some money, right?

14 A. Yeah.

15 Q. Okay. Okay. Did you ever talk to anyone

16 from The National Enquirer?

17 A. No.

18 Q. Is Hard Copy the only media —

19 A. Yeah.

20 Q. — group that you ever met with?

21 A. Yeah. I guess someone tried to — someone

22 contacted me from National Enquirer, I think, and

23 from Los Angeles Time.

24 Q. In your deposition, you said the people from

25 Hard Copy are not honest, right?

26 A. Yeah.

27 Q. When did you last talk to anyone from Hard

28 Copy? 5086

1 A. When did I — recently?

2 Q. Let me rephrase it.

3 A. Uh-huh.

4 Q. After your interview with Hard Copy, did you

5 ever talk to them again?

6 A. No.

7 Q. Okay. Did you tell Attorney Larry Feldman

8 that you were going to be interviewed by Hard Copy?

9 A. No.

10 Q. And Evangeline worked at Neverland, right?

11 A. Yes.

12 Q. Did you tell anyone else who worked at

13 Neverland, besides Evangeline, that you were going

14 to be paid to interview with Hard Copy?

15 A. No. Not that I remember.

In this excerpt, as Mesereau grills Blanca about her Hard Copy interview and deposition, she is asked if she remembers if her friend and former Neverland co-worker Evangeline tried to set up an interview with the National Enquirer, and she denies it until she is shown the transcript of her deposition! And the jury laughs at her after she recognizes what she said in 1994!

28 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Did you talk to any 5089

1 representative of the media before you had your

2 deposition taken?

3 A. Did I — did I talk —

4 Q. I‟m — yes, let me rephrase it.

5 A. Uh-huh.

6 Q. And if I‟m unclear, just tell me, and I‟ll

7 try and say it again.

8 You said your interview with Hard Copy was

9 after the deposition, right?

10 A. No. It was before.

11 Q. It was before. Okay. How long before it,

12 if you know?

13 A. About a month.

14 Q. Okay. Did you discuss the fact that you

15 were going to be interviewed by Hard Copy with any

16 attorney?

17 A. No.

18 Q. Okay. Do you remember Evangeline saying to

19 you, “Would you like to go to The National

20 Enquirer”?

21 A. I don‟t remember.

22 Q. Pardon me?

23 A. I don‟t remember. I remember a guy called

24 me, but he never told me that someone refer me or —

25 Q. But didn‟t Evangeline suggest that you call

26 The National Enquirer?

27 A. No.

28 Q. She didn‟t? She didn‟t ask you, “Do you 5090

1 want me to find The Enquirer?”

2 A. I don‟t remember that, no.

3 Q. Would it refresh your memory if I just show

4 you a transcript —

5 A. Uh-huh.

6 Q. — of your deposition?

7 A. Oh, okay.

8 Q. Can I do that?

9 A. Yeah.

10 MR. MESEREAU: May I approach?

11 THE COURT: Yes.

12 MR. ZONEN: What page, Counsel?

13 MR. MESEREAU: 208.

14 Q. Have you had a chance to look at that page?

15 A. No. Oh.

16 (Laughter.)

17 Q. You‟ve had a chance to look at the page,

18 right?

19 A. Did I what?

20 Q. Have you had a chance to read that page

21 of your deposition?

22 A. Before today?

23 Q. No, no, today.

24 A. Oh, yeah.

25 Q. Okay. I just showed you the page, right?

26 A. Yeah.

27 Q. Have you had a chance to look at it?

28 A. Yeah. 5091

1 Q. And does it refresh your memory about what

2 Evangeline said to you?

3 A. You know, tell you the truth, I probably did

4 at that time. And I remember at the time, but this

5 time I don‟t remember.

6 Q. Okay.

7 BAILIFF CORTEZ: Ma‟am, speak into the mike.


9 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Didn‟t you tell Evangeline

10 that you were willing to talk to The Enquirer?

11 A. I don‟t remember.

12 Q. Okay. Would it refresh your recollection

13 just to look at the page?

14 A. No.

15 Q. It wouldn‟t? So even if you read the page,

16 it won‟t help, do you think?

17 A. It won‟t help me.

18 Q. Okay. Okay. But you don‟t remember what

19 you said to Evangeline about talking to The

20 Enquirer?

21 A. I don‟t even remember the whole sit — I

22 don‟t remember.

23 Q. Okay.

24 A. It was a lot — at that time, you know, it

25 was —

26 Q. Evangeline called Hard Copy for you, right?

27 A. Uh-huh. Yeah, I think so.

28 Q. And she did it for you, right? 5092

1 A. Yeah, I think she did.

2 Q. You wanted her to find a way to communicate

3 with Hard Copy, right?

4 A. Yeah.

5 Q. Okay. And you wanted to talk to either Hard

6 Copy or The Enquirer, right?

7 A. I don‟t remember if it was either of them,

8 but I remember that I say yeah.

9 Q. Okay. Okay.

10 A. Because I think they approach her first,

11 someone approach her. And she said, “Well, they

12 want to talk to you, too.” That‟s what I got.

13 Q. Did you have an understanding with

14 Evangeline that if she arranged these interviews for

15 you, that you would pay her?

16 A. That I would pay her?

17 Q. Yes.

18 A. No.

19 Q. Did you believe she was just doing it as a

20 friend?

21 A. Yeah.

22 Q. Okay. So you didn‟t have any arrangement

23 with her that you would split the money, right?

24 A. No.

25 Q. You gave her some money later on because you

26 appreciated what she had done for you, right?

27 A. Yeah. Yeah, because of the trouble that she

28 was going — you know, she did, yeah. 5093

1 Q. Okay. So you gave her money as a friend,

2 right?

3 A. Yeah.

4 Q. Okay. There was no understanding before the

5 interview with her how much she would get?

6 A. No.

Here is where we get to hear the details of Blanca’s interactions with Dimond before and after the Hard Copy interview!

7 Q. Okay. Okay. Now, Evangeline told you that

8 she had reached Diane Dimond of Hard Copy, right; is

9 that right?

10 A. Yes.

11 Q. And Evangeline arranged for you to meet with

12 Diane Dimond, right?

13 A. Yes.

14 Q. How many meetings did you have with Diane

15 Dimond with Hard Copy?

16 A. I think it was just one.

17 Q. Do you remember going to the Hilton Hotel?

18 A. My — yes.

19 Q. Is that where you saw Diane Dimond during a

20 meeting?

21 A. Yes.

22 Q. And that‟s the meeting Evangeline went with

23 you to, right?

24 A. Yes.

25 Q. You told Diane Dimond during that interview

26 that you never told anyone that you had ever seen

27 Michael Jackson molesting boys, right?

28 A. Yes, I believe so. 5094

1 Q. And it was Evangeline that negotiated how

2 much money you were going to get, right?

3 A. Yes.

4 Q. You learned that you were going to get

5 $20,000 from Evangeline, right?

6 A. From Hard Copy.

7 Q. Yeah.

8 A. Not from Evangeline.

9 Q. Let me rephrase it to make sure you

10 understand.

11 A. Yeah.

12 Q. You learned from Evangeline that you were

13 going to get $20,000 for the interview with Hard

14 Copy, right?

15 A. Yeah.

16 Q. Is that correct?

17 A. Yes.

18 Q. Evangeline was supposed to speak to Hard

19 Copy about the money you were going to get, right?

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. So she was really your assistant, wasn‟t

22 she?

23 A. Yeah.

It turns out that merely getting salacious info out of Blanca wasn’t enough for Dimond! She also wanted photos of MJ and her son Jason, and it was part of the contract!

1 Q. Okay. Okay. The day after you were

2 interviewed by Hard Copy, Miss Dimond called you

3 again, right?

4 A. The day after?

5 Q. Yes. The day after your interview with Hard

6 Copy, Ms. Dimond called you again, right?

7 A. I don‟t remember.

8 Q. Okay.

9 A. I don‟t remember her calling me, but I don‟t

10 remember if it was the next day or —

11 Q. Do you remember her wanting pictures of

12 Michael Jackson?

13 A. Yeah.

14 Q. Ms. Dimond wanted you to get her pictures of

15 Mr. Jackson, right?

16 A. I don‟t remember.

17 Q. Do you remember that?

18 A. I think I give it to her, but I don‟t

19 remember.

20 Q. Okay. Do you remember saying to Ms. Dimond

21 you don‟t have pictures of Michael Jackson?

22 A. I don‟t — ask that —

23 Q. I‟m sorry, I may not be explaining it

24 properly. Let me just rephrase the question. I‟ll

25 withdraw the question.

26 A. Uh-huh.

27 Q. The day after you interviewed with Hard

28 Copy, Miss Dimond called you on the phone, right? 5097

1 A. I don‟t remember.

2 Q. Well, after the interview with Hard Copy, do

3 you remember at some point in time Miss Dimond

4 called you?

5 A. I don‟t remember.

6 Q. Okay. Do you remember Miss Dimond ever

7 asking you to get her pictures of Michael Jackson?

8 A. I don‟t remember, but I give it to her

9 sometimes. Or one time, I guess, she got some

10 pictures of him.

11 Q. And was that part of your contract with the

12 show Hard Copy, that you would give them pictures?

13 A. Yeah — yes.

14 Q. Okay. And when they paid you $20,000, was

15 part of what you had to do to give them pictures?

16 A. Yes. I guess.

17 Q. Do you remember sending any pictures of Mr.

18 Jackson‟s animals to Hard Copy?

19 A. I think all the pictures I got, I give her,

20 it was me with animals, probably. But it was me

21 mostly. Not of animals.

22 Q. Did you send pictures of Mr. Jackson‟s lion?

23 A. No.

24 Q. How about his tiger?

25 A. Not — I was in the picture, but it wasn‟t

26 by itself of the —

27 Q. Okay.

28 A. — tiger. 5098

1 Q. You gave Ms. Dimond a picture of your son

2 with Mr. Jackson, right?

3 A. With Mr. Jackson? I don‟t remember, but

4 I — no, I don‟t remember.

5 Q. Would it refresh if I just show you the

6 transcript of your deposition?

7 A. Uh-huh.

8 MR. MESEREAU: Okay. May I approach, Your

9 Honor?

10 THE COURT: Yes.

11 MR. ZONEN: Page number, Counsel?

12 MR. MESEREAU: 231.

13 MR. ZONEN: 231?

14 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Have you had a chance to

15 review that page of your deposition?

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. And you said under oath during the

18 deposition that you gave Ms. Dimond a picture of

19 your son and Mr. Jackson, right?

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. Okay. And you could — you didn‟t think

22 people would notice your son on the show, right?

23 A. Yeah. Probably. Probably, yes.

24 Q. You said in the deposition you didn‟t think

25 anybody would recognize who your son was on the Hard

26 Copy show, right?

27 A. Yeah. Probably I said that.

28 Q. That‟s what you said, right? 5099

1 A. I probably — yes.

Blanca had to find out the hard way just how untrustworthy Diane Dimond really is! Dimond gave or sold those photos of Blanca and her son to other tabloids, and wouldn’t return any of Blanca’s calls!

2 Q. Okay. Now, at some point, you called Diane

3 Dimond and she didn‟t return your calls, right?

4 A. Yeah.

5 Q. You called her because you thought she had

6 lied, right?

7 A. She had lied?

8 Q. Yes.

9 A. I didn‟t like — I thought that — that Hard

10 Copy interview thing was going to be shown on Hard

11 Copy, and then I see my pictures everywhere, and

12 even in The National Enquirer, and that‟s what I

13 thought that it was. You know, I didn‟t know that

14 they can sell the story to someone else. That‟s how

15 I felt.

16 Q. Do you remember telling Ms. Dimond that you

17 had other pictures from Neverland Ranch —

18 A. I don‟t remember.

19 Q. — that you could get? Do you remember

20 that?

21 A. No, I don‟t remember.

22 Q. Do you remember Miss Dimond telling you she

23 could send a messenger to get other pictures that

24 you had of Mr. Jackson?

25 A. I don‟t remember that.

26 Q. Okay. You gave Ms. Dimond pictures of Mr.

27 Jackson after your interview, right?

28 A. I don‟t remember. 5100

1 Q. You don‟t remember if you gave the pictures

2 before or after the interview?

3 A. No, no, no. After — of Mr. Jackson? No.

4 Q. Okay. I‟m asking you when you gave pictures

5 to Miss Dimond. Was it before the interview or

6 after it?

7 A. Oh. I think it was after.

Here is where Blanca is asked to defend what she said about seeing MJ showering with Wade Robeson, and she had to admit that she testified that she couldn’t tell who was in the shower:

8 Q. The prosecutor asked you questions about

9 Wade Robeson. Okay?

10 A. Uh-huh. Yes.

11 Q. Do you remember saying in your deposition

12 that you saw Mr. Robeson sleeping in Mr. Jackson‟s

13 bed?

14 A. Yes.

15 Q. Do you remember you were asked how many

16 times you saw that, and you said, “Maybe twice”?

17 A. I don‟t remember that I say that, but I

18 think that‟s what it was.

19 Q. Maybe twice?

20 A. I remember — I don‟t remember what I say at

21 the time, but I think that was the time — I mean,

22 that was the times.

23 Q. So you think you saw Mr. Robeson in Mr.

24 Jackson‟s bed maybe twice?

25 A. Yeah.

26 Q. And you think you saw Mr. Jackson in a

27 shower with Mr. Robeson one time, right?

28 A. Yes. 5101

1 Q. But you said the shower was fogged up and

2 you couldn‟t really see, right?

3 A. I saw the figure.

4 Q. You saw the figure. And you heard a lot of

5 laughing, right?

6 A. Yeah.

7 Q. And you thought they were playing, right?

8 A. Yes.

9 Q. In your deposition, you said under oath you

10 couldn‟t tell whether they were touching each other

11 or not, right?

12 A. Yeah.

In this excerpt, she goes on to say that she never discussed her son Jason’s claims of being abused by MJ!

16 Q. Okay. Have you ever discussed your son‟s

17 claim that Mr. Jackson improperly touched him with

18 your son? Have you ever had a discussion about

19 that?

20 A. At one time, back in „94.

21 Q. Okay. You talked to your son about what he

22 said —

23 A. I‟m —

24 Q. I‟m sorry, go ahead.

25 A. I say, “What‟s going on?” And he say, “I

26 just don‟t want to talk about it.”

27 Q. This was in 1994?

28 A. „94, I think so. 5106

1 Q. Have you ever discussed with your son his

2 claims about Mr. Jackson?

3 A. No.

4 Q. Never?

5 A. No. I — I ask him that I was going to ask

6 his counselor.

7 Q. Okay.

8 A. And he say no.

9 Q. Okay. So you‟ve never discussed —

10 A. No.

11 Q. — your son‟s claims with him?

12 A. No.

Blanca next discusses the fact that she destroyed her Hard Copy contract after her interview with them, but before her deposition with Larry Feldman, most likely because of the way she was lied to and used by Diane Dimond!

9 Q. Miss Francia, I‟d like to ask you some

10 questions about the deposition you gave on January

11 11th, 1994, okay?

12 A. Uh-huh.

13 Q. Before you attended that deposition, you had

14 been asked to bring the contract you had with Hard

15 Copy with you to the deposition, right?

16 MR. ZONEN: I‟m going to object as

17 irrelevant.

18 MR. MESEREAU: Your Honor, I believe the

19 prosecutor introduced the subject of Hard Copy.

20 MR. ZONEN: Not a contract.

21 THE COURT: The objection‟s overruled.

22 You may answer.

23 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Do you remember that? Let

24 me rephrase it.

25 A. Okay.

26 Q. Before you appeared at a sworn deposition on

27 January 11th, 1994, you had been asked to bring a

28 copy of the contract you had with Hard Copy to the 5108

1 deposition, right?

2 A. I don‟t remember.

3 Q. Do you remember at that deposition, you said

4 you had destroyed the contract?

5 A. I don‟t remember what I said or —

6 Q. Do you remember saying you‟d gotten rid of

7 it?

8 A. I don‟t remember.

9 Q. Would it refresh your recollection if I just

10 show you the transcript?

11 A. Yeah.

12 MR. MESEREAU: May I approach, Your Honor?

13 THE COURT: Yes.

14 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Miss Francia, have you had

15 a chance to review those deposition pages?

16 A. Did I have a — had I had a chance? No.

17 Q. I‟m sorry, no. I just showed you some pages

18 from the deposition, right?

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. Did you have a chance to review that portion

21 of the page that I showed you?

22 A. I haven‟t read any of the deposition paper.

23 Q. Okay. Did you just read it when I showed it

24 to you?

25 A. Yes.

26 Q. And does it remind you that you said you had

27 gotten rid of the contract?

28 A. Yeah, I probably did. 5109

1 Q. Okay. Do you remember saying that in the

2 deposition?

3 A. No, I don‟t.

4 Q. Okay. Did you get rid of that contract at

5 some point?

6 A. Yeah, I don‟t have it anymore. Yeah, I

7 don‟t have it.

8 Q. Did you throw it out?

9 A. I think I — yeah, I think I threw it away,

10 or —

11 Q. Did you throw it out before the deposition

12 of January 1994?

13 A. Yeah, I think I destroy — I destroyed it.

Blanca is then asked about why she believes she and Jason were contacted by police:

12 Q. Do you remember when your son Jason first

13 spoke to any police officer about what he claims

14 happened with Michael Jackson?

15 A. I remember one of the times, but I don‟t

16 know which time it was.

17 Q. At your deposition, you said that you went

18 on Hard Copy after your son spoke to the police,

19 right?

20 A. I don‟t remember if it was before or after.

21 Q. Okay. Would it refresh your recollection to

22 just show you —

23 A. Uh-huh.

24 Q. — the deposition?

25 May I approach, Your Honor?

26 THE COURT: Yes.

27 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Have you had a chance to

28 look at that page from your sworn deposition? 5112

1 A. Yes.

2 Q. Does it remind you that your son had talked

3 to the police before you went on Hard Copy?

4 A. It doesn‟t — I don‟t remember.

5 Q. Okay. Did you know your son was going to

6 speak to any police officer about Mr. Jackson?

7 A. No.

8 Q. It happened without you knowing about it?

9 A. I didn‟t know he was — they were going to

10 talk to him.

11 Q. Do you have any idea why the police wanted

12 to talk to your son at that point in time?

13 A. No, I don‟t remember. I think when they

14 first talked to him, they came to the house and

15 asked me if they could talk to him, but I don‟t

16 remember when was this.

17 Q. Do you know who told the police anything

18 about your son?

19 A. I think they — someone told me that they

20 needed to talk to my son, or they need to talk to me

21 about my son.

22 Q. Do you know if Larry Feldman, the attorney,

23 contacted the police about your son?

24 A. No, I don‟t know.

Here’s some very interesting information: Blanca’s wages were garnished numerous times while she worked at Neverland, and her social security number was fraudulent because she was an illegal alien! It’s good thing MJ never tried to run for political office! In the video below, presidential candidate Mitt Romney describes how he told the company that worked on his property that “I’m running for office for Pete’s sake! I can’t have illegals!” Just thought I’d break up the monotony of having to read all of this testimony!

17 Q. Now, while you were at Neverland, you

18 reported to someone named Norma Stakos, right?

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. And who was Norma Stakos?

21 A. One of the secretaries. She was a

22 secretary.

23 Q. A secretary to who?

24 A. Mr. Jackson.

25 Q. Okay. And you would speak to her from time

26 to time, correct?

27 A. Yeah.

28 Q. And do you remember she talked to you in 5114

1 1991 about the fact that for the third time your

2 wages had been garnished by a creditor?

3 MR. ZONEN: Objection; irrelevant.

4 THE COURT: Sustained.

5 MR. ZONEN: And hearsay.

6 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Did you ask Miss Stakos on

7 behalf of Mr. Jackson to help you with any bills you

8 couldn‟t pay?

9 A. No.

10 MR. ZONEN: Objection; irrelevant.

11 THE COURT: Overruled. The answer was, “No.”

12 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Did you have a discussion

13 with Miss Stakos about the fact that she couldn‟t

14 pay you?

15 A. No, never did.

16 Q. You don‟t know anything about a wage

17 garnishment?

18 A. Yes.

19 Q. What do you know about that?

20 A. That —

21 MR. ZONEN: I‟m going to object as

22 irrelevant.

23 MR. MESEREAU: I don‟t think so, Your Honor.

24 THE COURT: I thought it was initially, but I

25 changed my mind. So I‟ll overrule the objection.

26 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: What do you remember

27 telling Miss Stakos about a wage garnishment?

28 A. About my taxes, not paying in time, and I 5115

1 need — you know, they needed to wage – how do you

2 call that? – take money out of my paycheck.

3 Q. Did Miss Stakos help you with that?

4 A. Well, she was the payroll, so she‟s the one

5 who took it off of my paycheck. But she never gave

6 me money, or anybody gave me money to pay that.

7 Q. Do you remember you owed money to a store

8 called Dearden‟s?

9 A. Yes.

10 Q. Okay. And they were trying to garnish your

11 wages, right?

12 A. Uh-huh. Yeah.

13 Q. And did you — you asked Miss Stakos to help

14 you straighten that out, right?

15 A. Not to straighten it, but to — you know,

16 just to pay off of my check.

17 Q. Okay. And did she work with you on that?

18 A. Yes.

19 Q. Okay. And she did that for you on a couple

20 of other occasions, right?

21 A. I remember two times. And I don‟t remember

22 more than that.

23 Q. Okay. And she had a problem at one point

24 because you had a phony Social Security number,

25 right?

26 A. Yes.

27 Q. Okay. And she helped you straighten that

28 out, right? 5116

1 A. No.

2 Q. You eventually got a proper Social Security

3 number?

4 A. Yes. Yes.

5 Q. But you did discuss that with Miss Stakos,

6 right?

7 A. I don‟t remember. But they knew that I was

8 illegal, and Mr. Bray wanted to help me to get my

9 papers.

10 Q. Okay. And that got straightened out, didn‟t

11 it?

12 A. Yeah.

The following is a testament to how tolerant (some would say to a fault) MJ could be of the dishonest behavior of some of his employees! Blanca admits that she looked inside of the purse of a co-worker so that she could see how much money she was paid!

13 Q. Okay. Did you know someone named Gayle

14 Goforth?

15 A. Yeah.

16 Q. And who was Gayle Goforth?

17 A. The housekeeper. One of the housekeepers.

18 The head housekeeper of the house.

19 Q. And did you work with her?

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. For how long did you work with her?

22 A. Probably a year, a year and a half. Maybe a

23 year.

24 Q. And at one point you admitted going into her

25 purse, right?

26 A. Uh-huh.

27 Q. And you went into her purse to see how much

28 she was being paid, right? 5117

1 A. Her purse was on top of the — our desk, and

2 she have her check on top of it.

3 Q. And you admitted going into her purse,

4 right?

5 A. Yes.

6 Q. The purpose was to see what she was being

7 paid, wasn‟t it?

8 A. Yes.

9 Q. Okay.

10 A. I admitted to Mr. Jackson.

11 Q. Excuse me?

12 A. I told Mr. Jackson about it.

13 Q. Yes. And he — he didn‟t get you in any

14 trouble or anything, did he?

15 A. No.

Mesereau goes on to ask her about her punctuality (or lack thereof), and to whether or not other employees accused her of being too possessive of MJ!

16 Q. Okay. Now, on a couple of occasions you got

17 in trouble for not doing your time card properly,

18 correct?

19 A. A lot of occasions.

20 Q. Huh?

21 A. A lot of occasions for being late.

22 Q. Yes, you got in trouble for being late,

23 right?

24 A. Yeah.

25 Q. And you got in trouble for not properly

26 doing your time card, right?

27 A. Yeah.

28 Q. Okay. But Mr. Jackson never yelled at you 5120

1 or did anything mean to you, did he?

2 A. No. No.

3 Q. But you didn‟t get along with some of the

4 help, right?

5 A. Yeah.

6 Q. You didn‟t get along with Gayle Goforth,

7 right?

8 A. Yeah.

9 Q. She‟s the one whose purse you went into,

10 right?

11 A. Yes.

12 Q. You and she just didn‟t get along, right?

13 A. In the beginning we got along very nice.

14 Q. Do you remember complaints that you wouldn‟t

15 let anybody get near Mr. Jackson?

16 A. That I would get —

17 Q. Do you remember —

18 MR. ZONEN: I‟ll object as hearsay —

19 THE WITNESS: That I would get —

20 MR. ZONEN: — and vague.

21 THE COURT: Just a moment.

22 The objection‟s overruled.

23 Do you want the question read back? Do you

24 want me to repeat the question for you?

25 THE WITNESS: Yes, please.

26 THE COURT: I‟ll have the court reporter do

27 it.

28 (Record read.) 5121


2 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Never heard of that?

3 A. Complaints that I wouldn‟t let anybody?

4 Q. Yes.

5 A. No.

6 Q. On the staff at Neverland?

7 A. Probably that I was the one allowed in his

8 room, that I was — I just wanted to do that —

9 Q. Okay.

10 A. — myself.

11 Q. So you basically wouldn‟t let other people

12 on the staff get near his room?

13 A. Yeah.

14 MR. ZONEN: Objection; misstatement of

15 evidence.

16 THE COURT: Overruled. The answer was,

17 “Yeah.”

18 THE WITNESS: Because he told me that. He

19 told me not to let anyone in his room.

It’s important to understand why Mesereau felt the need to ask Blanca about whether or not she was accused of being possessive of MJ, as well as her habitual tardiness, and her snooping inside of the purse of a fellow co-worker. In his book “Unmasked: The Final Years of Michael Jackson”, Ian Halperin included a transcript of an interview with two former Neverland employees (who had left Neverland by the time the allegations hit the public), Francin Orosco and Shanda Lujan, and they both blasted Blanca Francia! And please do not take this as an endorsement of his book, as this exculpatory information that I found is the equivalent to finding a diamond ring in a pile of feces! From pages 71-72:

Meanwhile, two other former Neverland housekeepers came forward to discredit Francia’s allegations, telling CNN that the stories were made up.

“I think it’s ridiculous,” declared Shanda Lujan, who worked at Neverland for almost a year. “I mean, there’s just no way that Michael could do that. Michael’s just not that type of person.”

Francin Orosco worked for Jackson for two years and also said Jackson was incapable of the kind of behavior he was being accused of.  ”I think it’s pure lies. I think it’s just pure lies. It’s disgusting what they – what they could accuse somebody of for, and I think it’s just all for money.  Michael could never do something like that. Never, ever.”

Both Orosco and Lujan claimed that Francia had actually been fired because of a bad attitude and was obsessed with the pop superstar.

“You could tell a lot that she had a little crush on him.  And very jealous of the other housekeepers and didn’t want no one close to Michael.  There was….there’s a lot of jealousy there,” said Orosco.

“He was great with kids,” added Lujan.  ”I mean, you know, if….I think he would be a very good father.  I mean, he’s just wonderful with them.”  The former maids said their ranch chores involved entering Jackson’s room at times, but that they had never seen anything suspicious.

Most notable about their statements was that at the time of their interviews, each of the two women were no longer on Jackson’s payroll and were not paid for their interviews, and therefore had no incentive to lie.

Another myth that Mesereau demolished was the myth that only MJ’s “special friends” were called nicknames such as “Rubba” and “Apple Head”. Blanca admits that MJ used those nicknames frequently with many children, including his nieces and nephews!

20 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Okay. Now, the prosecutor

21 asked you about the nickname “Rubba,” okay?

22 A. Yes.

23 Q. “Rubba” is short for “Rubber Head,” right?

24 A. I don‟t know.

25 Q. You never heard that?

26 A. I don‟t know.

27 Q. Okay.

28 A. I never hear that before. 5122

1 Q. And Mr. Jackson used to call his cousins,

2 Levon and Elijah, “Rubba,” right?

3 A. He call the kids “Rubba,” yeah.

4 Q. He also called kids “Rubber Head,” or

5 “Rubba,” right?

6 A. Yeah.

7 Q. He‟d also use “Apple Head,” right?

8 A. I don‟t know.

9 Q. He‟d use “Doo-Doo Head,” right?

10 A. Yeah. I think I hear that one time.

11 Q. Okay. But it‟s certainly a term that he

12 used quite often, isn‟t it?

13 A. “Rubba,” yeah.

14 Q. He used it on lots — he used it for lots of

15 children, including his own cousins, didn‟t he?

16 A. Yeah.

Now, back to that pesky shower scene! Mesereau asks Blanca to confirm what she originally said in her 1994 deposition; that she saw only ONE shadow and heard only ONE voice when she entered the shower area! Once again, he had to show her the transcript in order to jog her memory! I wonder how many calories Mesereau burned by constantly having to walk up to the witness stand to give these transcripts to Sneddon’s lying witnesses?

23 Q. Okay. Okay. Now, the prosecutor asked you

24 questions about what you said in the deposition

25 about what you could see in the shower, right?

26 A. Yeah.

27 Q. And in the deposition you said under oath

28 that all you could see was a shadow, right? 5123

1 A. Yeah.

2 Q. Was that the truth?

3 A. A shadow, an image, yeah.

4 Q. That‟s all you could see —

5 A. Yeah.

6 Q. — in the shower, correct?

7 A. I hear two voices.

8 Q. You heard giggling and laughing, right?

9 A. Yeah.

10 Q. And all you could see was a shadow through

11 the glass?

12 A. The glass, yes.

13 Q. And that‟s because the glass was fogged up,

14 right?

15 A. Yeah.

16 Q. Okay. You only saw one person in the

17 shower, right?

18 A. I saw him in the shower and the little kid.

19 Q. But in your deposition you said you could

20 only see one person, but you heard giggling, right?

21 A. Yeah, but I hear two people —

22 Q. You heard two people. You could only see

23 one through the glass, right?

24 A. Mostly, yeah. Mostly.

25 Q. Do you remember you were asked in your

26 deposition, “Did you hear anything else other than

27 Michael laughing?” And you said, “No”?

28 A. Yeah. 5124

1 Q. Was that the truth?

2 A. Yes.

3 Q. Do you remember in the deposition saying you

4 never saw anyone else in the shower but Mr. Jackson?

5 A. I don‟t think I say that.

6 Q. Would it refresh your recollection if I show

7 you the transcript?

8 A. Okay.

9 MR. MESEREAU: May I approach, Your Honor?

10 THE COURT: Yes.

11 MR. ZONEN: Page?

12 MR. MESEREAU: 401.

13 Q. Have you had a chance to look at that page

14 of the deposition?

15 A. Yes.

16 Q. Does it refresh your memory about what you

17 said about the shower?

18 A. Yeah.

19 Q. You saw one person, Mr. Jackson, right?

20 A. Yes.

Mesereau is on a roll now! In this excerpt, Blanca says she didn’t see Michael tickling children but he was always playing with kids in the yard. They would surround him, crowd and climb over him and get on his lap while watching movies in the theater!

20 Q. Okay. Have you seen Mr. Jackson at

21 Neverland tickling and playing with children?

22 A. Yes.

23 Q. You‟ve seen him do that often, haven‟t you?

24 A. Playing, yeah. Playing a lot with the kids.

25 MR. ZONEN: I‟ll object to the compound

26 nature of the question, “tickling and playing.”

27 THE COURT: Sustained.

28 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: You‟ve seen Mr. — 5126

1 MR. ZONEN: Move —


3 MR. ZONEN: Move to strike the answer.

4 THE COURT: I think she clarified it in her

5 answer.

6 MR. ZONEN: Okay. That‟s fine.

7 THE COURT: Go ahead, Counsel.

8 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: You‟ve seen Mr. Jackson

9 tickling children at Neverland, haven‟t you?

10 A. Not that I remember, no.

11 Q. You never saw him playing in the yard?

12 A. Playing in the yard, yeah. Not tickling —

13 MR. ZONEN: Objection to the use of

14 “playing” and “tickling” interchangeably as

15 compound.

16 THE COURT: Sustained.

17 MR. MESEREAU: All right. I‟ll move on.

18 Q. You‟ve seen children at Neverland from an

19 organization called Make-A-Wish Foundation, correct?

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. And children from Make-A-Wish Foundation

22 often used to visit Neverland, right?

23 A. Yes.

24 Q. And they would crowd and climb all over

25 Michael Jackson, right?

26 A. Play with him, yeah.

27 Q. Well, they would all just surround him,

28 wouldn‟t they? 5127

1 A. Yes.

2 Q. And you would see him play with them often,

3 didn‟t you?

4 A. Yes.

5 Q. You would see those children running around

6 Neverland a lot, correct?

7 A. Yes.

8 Q. And Mr. Jackson used to run around with

9 them, didn‟t he?

10 A. Yes.

11 Q. He used to take them to the theater to watch

12 movies, didn‟t he?

13 A. Yes.

14 Q. And children would sometimes sit in his lap

15 in the theater watching the movies, didn‟t they?

16 A. I —

17 Q. Did you ever see that?

18 A. I never see that. Because I —

19 Q. I‟m sorry.

20 A. I was never there when he was there with

21 kids.

That ends my analysis of Mesereau’s cross examination. Here is Zonen’s redirect examination, and I’ll start with this exchange where Blanca confirms that children didn’t enter or sleep in MJ’s bedroom when he wasn’t there:

2 Q. Did Wade Robeson come and go into his room

3 at will?

4 A. Yeah. Kids were allowed to go there.

5 Q. Other kids were allowed to come into his

6 room?

7 A. Yeah.

8 Q. If he was there — if he was not there, or

9 only when he was there?

10 A. Kids were there when he was there.

11 Q. If he wasn‟t there, they didn‟t stay in his

12 room?

13 A. They — they never came when he wasn‟t

14 there.

Blanca contradicts what she said in her 1994 deposition here when she says she saw and heard two people in the shower:

11 Q. You told Mr. Mesereau that you had answered

12 a question in the deposition about seeing a shadow

13 in the shower. What did you mean by that? What is

14 a shadow? Tell me, what is a shadow?

15 A. An image.

16 Q. An image. All right. What did you see when

17 you looked into that shower?

18 A. Mr. Jackson.

19 Q. All right. Did you see the shadow of Mr.

20 Jackson, or did you see a person that looked like a

21 shadow?

22 A. Through the glass.

23 Q. What did you see through the glass?

24 A. Mr. Jackson.

25 Q. The actual person?

26 A. Yeah.

27 Q. Okay. You didn‟t see his shadow cast

28 against a wall, or against the floor? 5133

1 A. Huh-uh. No.

2 Q. All right. So what did you mean by the word

3 “shadow”?

4 A. His image.

5 Q. His image. That‟s what he looked like?

6 A. Yeah.

7 Q. All right. And was the door blurred during

8 that time?

9 A. Yeah.

10 MR. ZONEN: Excuse me. These are all next

11 in order, please.

12 Q. At the time that you looked through the

13 glass into the shower, were you able to see a second

14 person in there?

15 A. I want to say yeah, but I don‟t — you know,

16 I hear the laughing and the talking and, you know,

17 playing, and I — I didn‟t see the actual person,

18 but it was moving, you know, with him.

19 Q. Do you believe that you saw the image of a

20 second person?

21 A. Yeah.

22 Q. But not as clearly as Mr. Jackson?

23 A. Not as clearly, no.

24 Q. Did you hear one voice or two?

25 A. Two.

26 Q. And were you clear about that?

27 A. Yes.

28 Q. And did you tell that to Mr. Feldman in the 5134

1 deposition?

2 A. Oh.

3 Q. I‟m sorry?

4 A. I don‟t remember.

5 Q. You don‟t remember what you said?

6 A. No.

7 Q. The deposition was how many years ago?

8 A. More than ten years, I think.

Here’s something that will put a smile on your face! Blanca was asked (for some strange reason) about Bubbles the chimp, and it looks like Karma got the best of her, because she was bitten not once, but TWICE by him!

Good job Bubbles! Blanca Francia learned that karma can be a bi%^ch!!

6 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: You remembered the monkey

7 Bubbles — excuse me, the chimp, the chimpanzee; is

8 that right?

9 A. Bubbles, yes.

10 Q. Was Bubbles at more than one location?

11 A. I don‟t remember that. I think I remember

12 that other little monkey. I think it was a

13 different one. But I remember Bubbles at

14 Havenhurst. And then he was taken to some kind of

15 farm or trainer.

16 Q. Did Bubbles get a little too big?

17 A. Yeah.

18 Q. Did Bubbles get rambunctious, wild?

19 A. Wild.

20 Q. Did Bubbles ever bite you?

21 A. Yeah.

22 Q. On more than one occasion?

23 A. Twice.

Once again, Blanca describes how she was duped into giving the Hard Copy interview by describing the false pretenses that were given to her by Dimond to help secure her interview!

8 Q. Mr. Mesereau asked you questions about your

9 interview with Hard Copy.

10 A. Yes.

11 Q. All right. Were you interviewed by more

12 than one person with Hard Copy?

13 A. No.

14 Q. Was that one person Diane Dimond?

15 A. Yes.

16 Q. Did you have more than one conversation with

17 her?

18 A. Do you mean personally?

19 Q. Yes.

20 A. Yes, just one.

21 Q. Was there a conversation, like an interview,

22 and then the interview on television?

23 A. No, that — the same day we did everything.

24 She came to the lobby of the hotel, and then we went

25 upstairs and did it.

26 Q. She came to the lobby. So it was all on the

27 same day?

28 A. Uh-huh. 5139

1 Q. Was the interview done at the hotel?

2 A. Yeah.

3 Q. Were there a number of questions that were

4 asked of you during that interview?

5 A. There were many questions asking about who?

6 Me?

7 Q. Were there a lot of questions that they

8 asked?

9 A. Oh. Yeah.

10 Q. I say “they,” but actually, was it just

11 Diane Dimond who asked you questions?

12 A. Yes.

13 Q. Yes?

14 A. Yes.

15 Q. Was anyone else asking you questions?

16 A. No, I don‟t remember. I don‟t think so.

17 Q. Did you know in advance what the questions

18 were going to be?

19 A. No.

20 Q. Were you surprised by what the questions

21 were?

22 A. Yeah. Yes.

23 Q. Did you know it was going to be about

24 Michael Jackson?

25 A. No. I thought it was going to be about me

26 working there.

27 Q. All right. That was the part that surprised

28 you? 5140

1 A. Yeah.

2 Q. Were you upset about it?

3 A. Yeah, because then I start to answer, and I

4 felt like I was just there, you know, answering

5 questions that I didn‟t know they were going to ask

6 me.

7 Q. Okay. Did it upset you?

8 A. Yeah.

9 Q. Did you tell them you were upset about that?

10 A. No.

Now, let’s end this testimony with a bang! Zonen asked Blanca to clarify who she saw sleeping in MJ’s bed, and under what circumstances, and then ended his redirect examination. Notice how Blanca admitted that Wade Robson and Macaulay Culkin only slept in MJ’s bed when other kids were there, and never alone! Mesereau immediately continued with this subject, and asked her to confirm that many people slept in MJ’s bed at all hours of the day and night, thus debunking the myth that MJ lured children into his bed:

21 Q. Okay. And then finally, 789.

22 And what is that, please?

23 A. That‟s his — that‟s another room.

24 Q. That was the bed upstairs?

25 A. Uh-huh. Second floor.

26 Q. Now, Mr. Mesereau asked you about that bed.

27 Sometimes it is slept in and sometimes it is not.

28 A. Yeah. 5153

1 Q. During that period of time that Wade Robeson

2 was coming and visiting, was that bed slept in a

3 lot?

4 A. No.

5 Q. Was it slept in infrequently?

6 A. No, I always — just only when a lot of kids

7 were there.

8 Q. Okay. If it was just Wade Robeson, he

9 didn‟t sleep in that bed?

10 A. No.

11 Q. How about Macaulay Culkin?

12 A. No.

13 Q. He didn‟t either?

14 A. No.

15 MR. ZONEN: Thank you.

16 I have no further questions, Your Honor.

17 And these exhibits are in evidence. Yes,

18 they are. Thank you. No further questions.




22 Q. Just very briefly.

23 When — during the time you worked at

24 Neverland, Mr. Jackson would often have guests in

25 his room, right?

26 A. Yes.

27 Q. And people would often hang out on his bed

28 and watch television, correct? 5154

1 A. Yes.

2 Q. You would often serve them food, right?

3 A. Yes.

4 Q. And you would serve them drinks, right?

5 A. Yes.

6 Q. That went on at all hours of the day,

7 correct?

8 A. Yes.

9 MR. MESEREAU: No further questions.

10 THE COURT: All right. Thank you.

11 MR. ZONEN: And I have no further questions,

12 Your Honor.

13 THE COURT: All right. You may step down.

14 And we‟ll recess for the day. And there‟s

15 no court tomorrow. I‟ll see you Thursday morning.

16 (The proceedings adjourned at 2:30 p.m.)

Let’s summarize her testimony here:

  • Blanca Francia was hired in 1985 to be MJ’s personal housekeeper, and continued to work for him at Neverland. She was fired in 1991 for theft and tardiness, among other disciplinary problems. (This was confirmed by other Neverland employees.) She was an illegal alien with a fraudulent social security number, who also had her wages garnished by creditors to pay her debts, and who once looked inside the purse of a co-worker to see how much they had been paid!
  • In December 1993, Blanca’s friend and former Neverland co-worker Evangeline helped secure her interview with Diane Dimond of Hard Copy, and Blanca gave Evangeline some of the $20,000 dollars that she was paid. Blanca was also required by contract to give Dimond a photo of MJ and her son Jason.
  • Blanca was misled by Dimond into thinking that she would be talking exclusively about her employment at Neverland, but instead she was asked questions about Michael Jackson, and the things that she allegedly “saw” while working there. For example, she said that she was concerned about the safety of her son after seeing MJ reading to him and playing tickling games with him, and that she saw MJ showering with a young boy, which made her quit her job in disgust.
  • However, during her deposition in January 1994 with Larry Feldman, Blanca admitted that Dimond and Hard Copy “were not very honest” because they sold her photos to other tabloids, she was also contacted by the National Enquirer and the LA Times for an interview, that she was “tired and nervous” during the deposition, and didn’t see Wade Robeson in the shower with MJ, and really couldn’t tell who was in the shower! She also admitted to both Hard Copy and Larry Feldman that she never saw MJ abuse any child.
  • In December 1994, Blanca and her lawyers threatened to sue MJ for sexual abuse, and that lawsuit was settled out of court before it could be filed and made public. You can read more about it here.
  • There was a major discrepancy between Blanca and her son Jason’s testimonies regarding his first account of “abuse”: Blanca said that she witnessed Jason sitting on MJ’s leg as he read Jason a book and she grabbed him and left, and Jason initially admitted this in his police interrogation, but in 2005 he testified that he and MJ rolled on the floor before the tickling games began! Jason also testified that there was a TV in the room, but Blanca did not mention one in her testimony. (You can read this post to see a full analysis of Jason Francia’s testimony.) Also, during her testimony Blanca said she couldn’t remember if her friend Evangeline tried to set up the interview with the National Enquirer in 1994, until Mesereau showed her the deposition transcript, and the jury laughed at her (after she said “Oh”, in recognition of what she said in 1994)!
  • Blanca also admitted that MJ had children and adults in his bedroom at all hours of the day and night, and when children slept in his bed, there were many of them, not just one! She also testified that MJ called lots of children “Applehead” and “Rubba”, and had tickling games with them, including his own cousins, nieces, and nephews!

Finally, here is a photo of Blanca with Victor Gutierrez, who used her and other Neverland employees as a source for his science fiction book “Michael Jackson Was My Lover”, which we thoroughly debunked beginning with this post.

32 Comments leave one →
  1. stacy permalink
    July 16, 2012 5:59 pm

    Jordie Chandler told his psychiatrist that MJ told him that he acted inappropriate with other boys and gave the names of these boys. Why didn’t MJ mention Jason Francia to Jordie if he was really a victim?

    • Rodrigo permalink
      July 16, 2012 6:47 pm

      It seemed as though he was only given the names of the kids that were defending Michael.
      Brett Barnes is highly mentioned in VG’s book, because Jordan met him when Brett was staying at Neverland the same time him, June and Lily were.

      You have to think as well. Jordan HAD to say other kids were involved, cause it plays well into Michael’s other friendships with the kids…plus, it would draw the question of
      ‘why would things only start with Jordan?’

      I always think, if Michael had a routine for supplying kids with alcohol and porn at Neverland, why didn’t Jordan mention that? If it was all part of the grooming process?

    • nannorris permalink
      July 16, 2012 8:29 pm

      Mesereau mentioned that in closing arguments ..NO one but the Arvizo ever said anything about being shown inappropriate material or alcohol.
      This thing was such a farce.
      I think he mentioned the people hanging with MJ because they were almost like the un indected co conspirators theory ..To make them afraid to come in or neutralize them…The entire thing was an ordeal , not just for MJ but for his friends and family as well.
      Brett , Mac, and others are still having to deal with this garbage for the rest of their lives..
      Francia imo wasnt mentioned , because he was not really even around these kids or MJ for that matter..Probably didnt even consider that kid..Tells you how lame this entire thing was.
      His mother just saw an opportunity, imo and took the money.

    • Rodrigo permalink
      July 16, 2012 9:10 pm

      Yeah. It was just the prosecutions spin on
      “How do we explain the heterosexual porn?”
      Resulting in a tale of ‘grooming’.

      It’s despicable to think that Evan Chandler would not only ruin his son’s life, but also deliberately do just enough damage to other kids’ lives, by saying while none of them were molested by Michael, like Jordan was, they were involved in less serious acts…All this just to further his cause of getting Michael’s money.

      And the whole thing with Blanca and Jason? a complete and utter JOKE.

  2. nannorris permalink
    May 20, 2012 7:16 am

    Yes..last time I looked it had been taken down and it had something to do with schaffel video rights ..As I recall the date I saw it was recorded was when Jason and Blanca were testifying
    As I have said before , when watching video of MJ in situations where he feels safe , he is perfectly fine .
    I can not blame him one bit for not moving a muscle . least it be interpreted any way the media needed it to be on any given day..
    I think it is interesting that a lot of media reported MJ as medicated to the hilt when in fact ..I just feel he was terrified to even give an expression as it would have been misinterpreted ,and imo he was suffering form PTSD since he was a young child..
    Can you imagine being under the kind of pressure MJ was, and still being that kind to someone..??, a complete stranger …

    I think he was a very sensitive human being , but much stronger then people gave him credit for

  3. lynande51 permalink*
    May 19, 2012 7:09 pm

    @ nan
    Is this the video that you were talking about?

  4. nannorris permalink
    May 19, 2012 9:26 am

    They also do not cover the cross examination by Mesereau in the parts where Francia and others go down in flames so I would be very hesitancy to rely totally on these things for real information on how the witnesses did on the stand..

  5. nannorris permalink
    May 19, 2012 8:47 am

    I have seen a couple of the reenactment things on youtube and although they are using testimony from the transcripts ,they are cherry picking it to slant the coverage in the prosecutors favor..Notice the narrarator say MJ fans laughed at his testimony..There is no way to really say “MJ fans” laughed ..the jurors were seen laughing at him too Everyone laughed..
    I also will mention I spoke to Wm Wagener about the francia testimony because he was in court ,,he described francia as very nervous and subdued…And He said during breaks MJ was fine and smiling with Susan Yu, so, again, the way they are portraying how this went down in court is wrong..I also have seen footage on youtube that has since been removed because of copyright stuff and it had to do with MJ meeting and talking to a French fan who gave him some artwork, outside Neverland as he was coming home after court..He was his usual pleasant self , and very complimentary to the artist etc…..NOT upset in the least….I checked the date and it was after Francia testimony so these things will also tell you that this guys testimony was not credible to anyone , except perhaps Sneddon an Zonen..Paul Rodriguez , the jury foreman , later told Nancy Grace they found his testimony as credible as Janet these reenactments are definitely slanted pro prosecution..

  6. Hilary permalink
    May 18, 2012 8:47 am

    part 2 of jason

  7. Hilary permalink
    May 18, 2012 8:22 am

    Watch the re-enactment of Jason’s testimony here

  8. nan permalink
    February 11, 2012 4:07 am

    From lynande51

    I swear as I sit here that Sneddon and his team of prosecutors forgot to tell these people that the other side will get to ask you questions too!
    I look at this stuff too and wonder why they seem to have no idea of what these people might say on cross exam..
    With all the preparation they did for this trial.,,,,,,,,,,,,you might think they would have had some inkling..
    . Mesereau had said they had done mock trials..
    ,Didnt they have anyone playing the defense atty?and looking at these people words from a different angle..?

    Even in this link Mesereau says they tried to put in papers before the trial that the defense would not be allowed to call them “Govt Prosecutors”, so it isnt like they didnt try to cover all their bases….,
    They should be ashamed that they even brought this case..I hope to heaven these people are exposed for this sham someday in the mainstream media..

  9. Susanne permalink
    February 10, 2012 5:25 pm

    You really have to wonder why Blanca Francia would let her son spend time with MJ when she according to Sneddon’s “Plaintiff’s Motion…” already must have been suspicious of MJ when he still lived in Havenhurst, where “the defendant would tell Ms. Blanca to lie and conceal Spence’s presence there” and she allegedly “would clean defendant’s bedroom and observe Spence’s underwear on the floor”. So she was suspicious and still later let her son spend time with Michael in his hide-away apartment? Doesn’t make sense.

  10. gel permalink
    February 10, 2012 1:42 pm

    thank you all for all the research and hard word done on this site. looking back how i wish this trial was televised just like the murray case then maybe everyone esp. people in america would never have doubt MJ’s innocence.

  11. Jovana permalink
    February 9, 2012 10:43 am

    Thank God for Mesereau, and Thank you for the post.

  12. February 9, 2012 3:21 am

    LOS ANGELES Michael Jackson’s former maid claims the singer rewarded her for keeping silent about naked interludes with young boys, but she said she quit her job as her disgust grew and after she caught him with her own son.

    A crush of reporters and photographers were on hand this morning when Blanca Francia arrived to give a deposition at the offices of attorney Larry Feldman, who is representing a 13-year-old boy who claims Jackson molested him.

    “We’ve waited a long time for this,” Feldman said Tuesday.

    Members of Jackson’s family again came to his defense, condemning the former maid’s story in an interview with Black Entertainment Television. His mother, Katherine, characterized Francia as a disgruntled, fired employee.

    KNBC-TV, meanwhile, reported that a second boy has come forward with claims that he was fondled by Jackson.

    KNBC, citing unidentified sources, said investigators who questioned the boy found his account to be credible. Its report did not go into detail on the allegations raised by the second youth, identified as the son of a former Jackson employee.

    Los Angeles County and Santa Barbara County prosecutors have been investigating claims of sexual abuse against Jackson, but no criminal charges have been filed.

    In an interview aired Tuesday on the syndicated television magazine “Hard Copy,” Francia said she saw Jackson bathing in the nude with at least two young boys. She added that Jackson once asked her opinion of what she witnessed.

    “I said it was none of my business,” she said. “He liked that.”

    Occasionally, “I would get some reward. Money, or a gift.”

    “I would keep my mouth shut to keep my job,” said Francia, an immigrant from El Salvador.

    Francia earlier this week told the Los Angeles Times that she quit the job two years ago out of disgust.

    She also said she found her son sitting on Jackson’s lap. When she questioned them about it, she received vague answers. She was to discuss her fears about her son’s involvement on “Hard Copy” tonight.

    Jackson remained in seclusion, apparently at his Neverland ranch in Santa Barbara County, Calif. He returned last week from Europe, where he says he was treated for addiction to pain-killers

  13. lynande51 permalink*
    February 9, 2012 3:04 am

    What makes everyone think that the photo was after 1993?

  14. February 9, 2012 2:44 am

    Thank you sanemjfan for this post. It is hard just to read it and follow the logic or rather illogic through all the poor memories and
    vague descriptions of ticklings that later on turn into maybe touching or maybe not.Jason and his mother did not talk much with each other it appears.It makes you wonder what he dealt with in therapy.The poor mother son communication maybe was a factor.
    How come Ms Blanca had a photo taken with V.G.? And when was this photo taken? V.G. looks very young on it.

  15. February 9, 2012 2:30 am

    I wonder who told KNBC TV, in December 1994, that there was another accuser.,39074&dq=larry+feldman&hl=en

  16. February 9, 2012 1:36 am

    I wonder why Mesereau never asked her about VG. She talked to him way after her Hard Copy. If she didn’t, how did he know she was negotiating a settlement?

  17. February 8, 2012 11:50 pm

    @Sanemjfan…. Just want to thank you for all your hard work. It can’t be easy. I know you put so much into it, and I just want to say Thank U! What I do wonder is, how in the HELL do these peoples sleep at night, knowing what they done!

  18. lynande51 permalink*
    February 8, 2012 10:40 pm

    I swear as I sit here that Sneddon and his team of prosecutors forgot to tell these people that the other side will get to ask you questions too! Now I can understand why Diane Dimond who was working for Court TV at the time didn’t report this but heavens sake what was wrong with the rest of them? I wonder if she had any lunch buddies after this day?

  19. nan permalink
    February 8, 2012 9:32 pm

    sanemjfan..Thank you for taking the time to go through the testimony…I know .it must be very time consuming …..These summaries you are doing are really helpful in cutting to the heart of the testimony..These people got to come in to show a pattern.The pattern I see is Larry Feldman,and tabloid money.., and getting shot down on cross exam..


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