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March 10th, 2005 Direct and Cross Examination of Gavin Arvizo and Sgt. Steve Robel, Part 1 of 3

June 11, 2012

The second day of Gavin Arvizo’s testimony started off with a huge surprise for Judge Melville. As he took his seat on the bench, he noticed that Jackson wasn’t in court, and he wasn’t pleased by Jackson’s absence! Despite Mesereau’s very valid explanation as to why Jackson was absent, and despite his promise that Jackson would show up, Melville gave an ultimatum that if Jackson wasn’t in court within one hour, his bail would be forfeited!

Please note that the jury was not seated at this time, and they were not seated until after Jackson arrived, wearing a blazer as his pajama bottoms were out of view under the table that he and his lawyers were sitting at. So the notion that “Pajama Day” was a stunt to gain the jury’s sympathy is totally false!

Here is Judge Melville’s message to Mesereau:

1 Santa Maria, California

2 Thursday, March 10, 2005

3 8:35 a.m.


5 (The following proceedings were held in

6 open court outside the presence and hearing of the

7 jury:)


9 THE COURT: Good morning.

10 Try that again. Good morning.


12 Good morning, Your Honor.

13 THE COURT: I notice the defendant’s not

14 present.

15 MR. MESEREAU: Yes, Your Honor. Mr. Jackson

16 is at —

17 THE COURT: They can’t hear you. Speak into

18 the microphone, please.

19 MR. MESEREAU: Mr. Jackson is at Cottage

20 Hospital in Santa Ynez with a serious back problem.

21 My understanding is he’s on his way in. The doctor

22 does want to talk to you on the phone. That’s the

23 last information I have.

24 I did give the — I had the doctor on my

25 cell phone. I did give it to your clerk and tried

26 to make contact with you, but I — I know that

27 they’re waiting, hoping to speak to you about it.

28 My understanding is that he does plan to come in. 1527

1 THE COURT: I’m going to issue a warrant for

2 his arrest. I’m forfeiting his bail.

3 MR. MESEREAU: Your Honor —

4 THE COURT: I’m going to hold that order for

5 one hour. In one hour I’m going to execute that

6 order.

7 Court’s in recess.

8 (Recess taken.)

After Jackson arrived and the jury was seated, Judge Melville issued the following statement to the jury:

1 Santa Maria, California

2 Thursday, March 10, 2005

3 10:00 a.m.


5 (The following proceedings were held in

6 open court in the presence and hearing of the

7 jury:)


9 THE COURT: Good morning.

10 THE JURY: (In unison) Good morning.


12 Good morning, Your Honor.

13 THE COURT: I’m sorry for the delay.

14 Mr. Jackson had a medical problem this morning, and

15 it was necessary for me to order his appearance.

16 I’m telling you that because I don’t want you to

17 draw any adverse inference about his guilt or

18 inference from the fact that I had to order him

19 here.

20 If one of you had called in and had not

21 appeared, or one of the attorneys, I would have had

22 to do the same thing. The trial is going to go

23 forward.

24 So I just want you to understand, in doing

25 that, I’m not expressing any opinion about the case,

26 about Mr. Jackson, or about the District Attorney.

27 It has nothing to do with guilt or innocence. Okay.

28 All right.

Sneddon then continued his direct examination from the previous day, and asked Gavin about the first time he had seen the Martin Bashir documentary:

7 Q. Yesterday you testified about the Bashir

8 video. Do you recall that.

9 A. Yes.

10 Q. And have you ever seen that video from start

11 to finish.

12 A. No, I’ve seen pieces of it, and I saw when

13 he interviewed me, but I didn’t really see the whole

14 thing.

15 Q. So you did see the part that involved you.

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. And when was the first time you saw that.

18 A. Well, when we were — when I was in Miami,

19 me and Michael, he didn’t want to see it, so we

20 didn’t watch it there. I saw it in my house later

21 when VH-1 was showing it.

22 Q. Was this after you left the ranch for good.

23 A. Yeah, I believe so.

24 Q. Now, that portion of the video that shows

25 you sitting on the couch with Mr. Jackson, there’s a

26 point in time where you place your head on his

27 shoulder and hold hands with Mr. Jackson. Do you

28 recall that part of it. 1539

1 A. Yes.

2 Q. How did that come about.

3 A. I don’t know. We were just sitting there.

4 Well, the holding hands part, that was one of the

5 things that Michael told me to do. But I put my

6 head on his shoulder.

7 Q. Why did you do that.

8 A. Because — I don’t know. It was — like he

9 was — I was really close to Michael, and he was

10 like my best friend, so I just put my head on his

11 shoulder.

Let me remind everyone again that it was Bashir who told Gavin to hold Jackson’s hand and rest his head on Jackson’s shoulder! Here is Aphrodite Jones’ confirmation of this, based on what she was told by Jacksons attorneys Thomas Mesereau and Brian Oxman:

Next, Gavin describes the next time that he spoke to Jackson after filming the scene with Bashir. He didn’t speak with Jackson again until shortly before the airing of the documentary in the USA. Gavin claimed that Jackson asked him and his family to participate in a press conference to rebut the lies that were insinuated in the documentary:

12 Q. Okay. Now, from the time that you had the

13 interview with you and Mr. Jackson and Mr. Bashir

14 till the time that you left to go to Miami, did you

15 have any contact with Mr. Jackson.

16 A. From when I left from Martin Bashir.

17 Q. Right.

18 A. Can you repeat the question.

19 Q. Sure. From the time that you had the

20 interview with Mr. Bashir and Mr. Jackson and you —

21 A. Okay.

22 Q. — okay. — till the time shortly before you

23 left for Miami, did you have any contact with Mr.

24 Jackson.

25 A. No.

26 Q. Do you remember when the next contact with

27 Mr. Jackson was.

28 A. Like, right when the stuff came out, when 1540

1 the video documentary started showing on T.V.

2 Q. How did you find out that the documentary

3 was shown on T.V..

4 A. Well, it was — it was being showed over in

5 Britain, but they were talking about it on the news

6 and stuff, so that’s how I found out.

7 Q. You actually heard it on the news yourself.

8 A. Yeah.

9 Q. Did any people come around your house at

10 all, that you know of.

11 A. No. I don’t know of any.

12 Q. Now, when you heard it on the news, about

13 the documentary, did you at some point have a

14 telephone conversation with the defendant, Mr.

15 Jackson.

16 A. Yes. He called me.

17 Q. All right. Tell us about the conversation.

18 A. He told —

19 Q. Where were you when you got the call.

20 A. I was in the house, in my house, when — the

21 first time I moved in with my stepfather. And then

22 he called and wanted me to go to Miami because of

23 all the stuff that was going on. And he said that

24 he wanted to hold a press conference. And he wanted

25 me to be with him.

26 Q. With him —

27 A. During the press conference.

28 Q. What else did he say. 1541

1 A. He said that he wanted me to go over there.

2 And he said that — that — like, we were talking

3 about what was going on. And I was saying, “Ahh,”

4 like, “it’s not right what they’re saying,” and

5 stuff like that.

6 Q. Did Mr. Jackson make comments about — to

7 you about what was going on.

8 A. No. He just said that he wanted me to go

9 over to Miami.

10 Q. Now, did you go to Miami.

11 A. Yes.

12 Q. Did you go by yourself.

13 A. No.

14 Q. Who went with you.

15 A. It was me, my brother, my sister, and my

16 mom. But at first, Michael didn’t really want — he

17 only really wanted —

18 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; nonresponsive.

19 Move to strike.

20 THE COURT: Sustained.

21 MR. SNEDDON: I’ll move on from there.

22 THE COURT: The last sentence is stricken.

23 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Now, during the

24 conversation with Mr. Jackson – okay.

25 A. Okay.

26 Q. — did the subject of the rest of your

27 family going to Miami come up.

28 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading. 1542

1 THE COURT: Overruled.

2 You may answer.

3 THE WITNESS: Can you repeat the question.

4 MR. SNEDDON: Yeah.

5 Q. During the time of your conversation with

6 Mr. Jackson, did the subject of the rest of your

7 family coming to Miami come up during the

8 conversation.

9 A. Yes.

10 Q. Would you tell us about it.

11 A. At first I asked him if my brother can come,

12 and then he was like, “Yeah.” And then I asked him

13 if my sister could come, and then he was, like, Uhh,

14 hmm, okay.”

15 And then I asked if my mom could come, but

16 he kind of got angry a little bit about my mom

17 coming. And then — but I told him, “I can’t come

18 without my mom. My mom probably won’t let me.” And

19 he was like, “Okay,” and my mom came.

20 Q. Did — during that conversation, did you —

21 did you see — did you hear your mother talk to Mr.

22 Jackson.

23 A. I don’t really remember.

In this excerpt, Gavin describes the first time that Jackson allegedly gave him “Jesus Juice” to drink in a soda can while they were in Miami, and he alleges that Jackson told him to keep drinking it in front of Janet Arvizo, Aldo, Marie Nichole, Star, and Davellin!

17 Q. Now, did anything else happen between you

18 and Mr. Jackson during your stay at the Turnberry.

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. What.

21 A. He brought me this — he had poured — I

22 didn’t really see what he did, but I found out

23 later. Like, I guess —

24 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; calls for

25 speculation.

26 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Just tell us what he did,

27 what you saw personally.

28 A. Okay. He brought me — 1549

1 THE COURT: Just a moment. I’ll sustain the

2 objection, but you’re asking another question.

3 MR. SNEDDON: I am, Your Honor.

4 MR. MESEREAU: Move to strike, Your Honor.

5 THE COURT: I’ll strike the last half of his

6 answer. Go ahead.

7 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: All right. Tell us what

8 you saw Mr. Jackson do.

9 A. Michael gave me a Diet Coke can.

10 Q. Did he tell you what was in the can.

11 A. Yeah, he told me that it was —

12 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading.

13 THE COURT: Overruled.

14 You may answer “yes” or “no.”

15 THE WITNESS: Michael —

16 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Just, did he tell you —

17 “yes” or “no”; did he tell you what was in the can.

18 A. Yes.

19 Q. All right. What did he tell you.

20 A. He told me if I ever heard of Jesus Juice,

21 and then —

22 Q. And what did you say.

23 A. And I said I didn’t know really what it was.

24 Q. And did he say anything after that.

25 A. Yeah, he told me, “You know how, like, Jesus

26 drank wine.” And I was like, “Yeah.”

27 And then he told me, “Well, we call it Jesus

28 Juice.” And then he said that — to drink it. And 1550

1 I took a little sip, and I told him it —

2 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Calls for a

3 narrative; nonresponsive; move to strike.

4 THE COURT: Strike after — where he starts

5 to say “I took a little sip,” that’s stricken.

6 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: After Mr. Jackson handed

7 you the can and he told you that it was Jesus Juice,

8 what did you do.

9 A. I drank a little bit of it, and I told him

10 that it tasted ugly.

11 Q. And what did he say.

12 A. He said that, “It’s okay, because it will

13 relax you,” and he told me that he knows that I’m

14 all stressed out because of all the media stuff

15 that’s going on, and that the Jesus Juice will relax

16 me.

17 Q. Now, during — do you recall how long you’d

18 been in Mr. Jackson’s suite at the time that he

19 provided the alcohol to you.

20 A. I was in there for a while. Like, it was

21 after the second meeting with him in the other room,

22 the improv thing.

23 Q. And from the time that Mr. Jackson gave you

24 the can for the first time and you tasted it, how

25 many times do you think you drank out of that can.

26 A. Well, we went — well, after he —

27 Q. Just — first of all, I’ll — first of all,

28 just how many times, that you estimate. 1551

1 A. Oh, I probably drank maybe — I don’t think

2 I drank the whole can, but I probably drank like

3 three-fourths of it or something.

4 Q. Was the can ever refilled.

5 A. I don’t think it — I’m not sure if it was

6 refilled. I don’t think it was.

7 Q. Had you ever had wine before.

8 A. Well, in church, but that’s about it.

9 Q. Now, did you have any further conversations

10 with Mr. Jackson, other than the ones that you’ve

11 already told the ladies and gentlemen of the jury

12 about, about the wine and drinking it.

13 A. Well, we — after he told me that, about

14 Jesus Juice or whatever, we went into the living

15 room where everybody was, like Chris was and then my

16 mom, Marie Nicole and Aldo and stuff like that, and

17 we were sitting there, and then Michael was right

18 next to me. And then I don’t think my mom knew what

19 was going on.

20 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Calls for

21 speculation; narrative; nonresponsive. Move to

22 strike.

23 MR. SNEDDON: Your Honor —

24 THE COURT: Just a moment.

25 What were you going to say.

26 MR. SNEDDON: I’m not going to say it now.

27 I’ll pick it up later.

28 THE COURT: The question was really if you 1552

1 had any further conversations with Mr. Jackson. You

2 need to listen to the question. Just answer the

3 question. That would have been a “yes” or “no” type

4 question. So I’ll sustain the objection and have

5 you answer that question.

6 I’ll strike the rest of his answer.


8 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Where did those

9 conversations take place.

10 A. In the living room.

11 Q. And were there other people present.

12 A. Yes.

13 Q. And what did Mr. Jackson say to you.

14 A. He was, like, telling me to keep drinking

15 the can of the wine.

16 Q. And where were you in the living room.

17 A. I was sitting on the couch, and he was

18 sitting next to me.

19 Q. Were there other people present in the room.

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. Who else was around.

22 A. Chris Tucker, my mom, Aldo, Marie Nicole, my

23 brother, my sister.

24 Q. And you say you were drinking out of a can.

25 What kind of a can.

26 A. Pretty sure it was a Diet Coke can.

27 Q. And do you recall whether — the kind of

28 wine it was. 1553

1 A. I’m pretty sure it was white wine.

2 Q. Were there — how many occasions were you in

3 the bedroom alone with Mr. Jackson.

4 A. At Miami.

5 Q. Uh-huh.

6 A. Once.

7 Q. Were you alone with him in any other rooms

8 in his suite or complex there.

9 A. No.

10 Q. Now, when you woke up the next day, how did

11 you feel.

12 A. Well, I didn’t know if it was from the wine,

13 but I felt really — like, my head kind of hurt and

14 I felt like I just wanted to lay down.

Gavin went on to describe how he was offered more alcohol by Jackson on the flight from Miami to Neverland. Noticed how he failed to mention Dr. Farshchian, who Star confirmed was sitting directly across from Jackson and Gavin throughout the flight during his cross examination!


8 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Now, at some point you left

9 Miami, correct.

10 A. Yes.

11 Q. And how — when you left Miami, how — what

12 form of transportation did you take.

13 A. It was in one of Michael’s planes.

14 Q. And how did you get to the plane.

15 A. In a limousine, I think.

16 Q. Now, who was on the plane.

17 A. Me, my brother, my sister, Marie Nicole.

18 Prince, Paris. Grace. My mom. Michael. And me.

19 So it was a pretty packed plane.

20 Q. Now, while you were on the plane, where were

21 you seated.

22 A. I sat next to Michael in the window.

23 Q. I’m sorry.

24 A. I had a window seat and Michael was sitting

25 right next to me.

26 Q. And do you recall who was sitting across

27 from you.

28 A. I think Prince and Paris were sitting in 1556

1 front of us, but then they kept on — they got up

2 during the flight, and then other people would sit

3 there and stuff.

4 Q. So were people changing seats during the

5 flight.

6 A. Yes.

7 Q. Did you ever change seats.

8 A. No.

9 Q. Did Mr. Jackson ever change seats.

10 A. I think he got up for something once, but I

11 never moved from that seat.

12 Q. During the course of the flight from Miami,

13 did you ever drink any alcohol.

14 A. Yes.

15 Q. Now, who provided that alcohol to you.

16 A. Michael.

17 Q. And can you tell us in what — what it was

18 provided to you in.

19 A. I think it was another Coke can or Diet Coke

20 can.

21 Q. And what kind of alcohol was it.

22 A. I think it was white wine again.

23 Q. And where — did you see where Mr. Jackson

24 got the can from.

25 A. From the little place where they keep all

26 the sodas in the plane.

27 Q. Now, when — where were you when you

28 physically drank out of the container, the can. 1557 

1 A. I was next to Michael.

2 Q. And did Mr. Jackson say anything to you when

3 he gave you the can.

4 A. Yeah, he told me it was more Jesus Juice.

5 And he said that — on the plane that — he told me

6 about how he used to get scared about planes, and he

7 said that if I was scared and — to drink the Jesus

8 Juice, because it will relax me.

9 Q. How much do you think you drank while you

10 were on the plane.

11 A. I think I drank the whole can.

12 Q. Was the can ever refilled.

13 A. Yes.

14 Q. Do you know how many times.

15 A. No.

16 Q. Were you always drinking out of the same can

17 as Mr. Jackson.

18 A. Yes.

19 Q. Did Mr. Jackson ever say anything to you

20 about him providing alcohol to you.

21 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading.

22 THE COURT: Overruled.

23 You may answer.

24 THE WITNESS: Um, yes.

25 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Will you tell us what he

26 said.

27 A. He would tell me that — can you repeat the

28 question again. I’m sorry. 1558

1 MR. SNEDDON: Would you read it back.

2 (Record read.)

3 THE WITNESS: Yeah, he just told me that he

4 was getting it for me. I don’t really understand

5 too good.

Here is Star’s cross examination where he confirmed that Dr. Farshshian sat directly across from Jackson and Gavin. Notice how he tried to change the subject to his mother, but was quickly reprimanded by Mesereau:

Q. You told the Santa Barbara Grand Jury that

on a flight coming back from Miami, Dr. Farshshian

was facing Michael Jackson, right?

A. Yes.

Q. So he would have been facing Michael Jackson 1411

when you claim Michael started licking your

brother’s hair, right?

A. No, my mom was — she was turned around most

of the time.

Q. No, I’m talking about Dr. Farshshian.

A. Oh, yes.

Q. He was facing Michael Jackson the whole


A. Yes.


Next, Gavin claimed that the reason that Jackson gave him an expensive watch and a jacket is because it was a symbol of their friendship, and as a result of their friendship Gavin shouldn’t tell anyone about the “Jesus Juice” that Jackson had served him in Miami and on the flight back to Neverland:

6 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Did Mr. Jackson ever give

7 you any presents.

8 A. Yes.

9 Q. Other than the computer.

10 A. Yes.

11 Q. Did he ever give you any presents while you

12 were in Miami.

13 A. Well, he had, like, all these games from EA.

14 Q. I’m sorry.

15 A. EA, Electronic Arts, I think they’re called.

16 They got me a whole bunch of games. And then he let

17 me have all the games that Aldo didn’t really like.

18 Q. When you were on the plane, did Mr. Jackson

19 give you anything.

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. What did he give you.

22 A. As we were taking off — well, in the hotel,

23 he also gave me a jacket. But when we were taking

24 off on the plane, he showed me a watch, and then he

25 had it on, and he told — he gave me the watch as we

26 were taking off.

27 Q. Did he say why he gave you the watch.

28 A. He said not to tell anybody about the Jesus 1559

1 Juice, and he said that this is like a symbol that

2 we’ll be friends forever or something like that.

3 And then he gave me the watch.

4 Q. Did you have his jacket and his watch.

5 A. Yes.

Gavin then answers questions from Sneddon about the jacket and watch that he was given by Jackson, and Gavin states that the value of the watch was $75,000 (according to Jackson), and that he eventually gave the watch to Larry Feldman. Notice how Gavin referred to Feldman as “Larry”; he was on a first name basis with all of the prosecutors in this trial, which shows just how close and chummy they all were with each other!

9 Q. No, just stand up and show it to them.

10 Okay. Now I’m going to ask you a question

11 about the watch. With regard to that particular

12 watch, did Mr. Jackson make any statements to you

13 about the value of the watch when he gave it to you.

14 A. He told me that it was $75,000.

15 Q. Now, did you keep that watch.

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. At some point, did you give that watch to

18 somebody.

19 A. Yeah. I think I gave it to Tom.

20 Q. To me.

21 A. I mean — no, Larry.

22 Q. Larry.

23 A. Yes.

24 Q. Do you know who Larry is.

25 A. Larry Feldman, I think.

26 Q. And do you remember when that was. Had you

27 left Neverland for the last time.

28 A. Yes. 1562

1 Q. And that’s — and after that, you gave the

2 watch to him.

3 A. Yes.

4 Q. Now, when you were at Neverland Ranch, did

5 anybody ever ask you to give the watch back.

6 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading.

7 THE COURT: Overruled.

8 You may answer.


Next, Sneddon asked Gavin if he ever saw his brother Star drink “Jesus Juice”, and Gavin explained that he saw Jackson give Star the can of alcohol to drink on the flight back to Neverland. Ironically, despite the fact that Gavin said that Jackson asked Star if he knew what “Jesus Juice” was, Star never referred to alcohol as “Jesus Juice” throughout his testimony! For only Gavin to refer to alcohol as “Jesus Juice”, while Star never mentioned that nickname, is another example of the many material inconsistencies in their stories.


10 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Now, let’s go back to the

11 flight just a second, if we can. All right.

12 A. Uh-huh.

13 Q. Where was your brother Star on the plane.

14 A. He was walking around on the plane.

15 Q. Did you ever see Star drink out of the soda

16 can.

17 A. Yes.

18 Q. Tell the jury what happened.

19 A. We called my brother Star over, and Michael

20 asked him if he knew what Jesus Juice was. And then

21 we gave him the can and we just told him to drink

22 it. And then when he drank it, he said that it

23 tasted bad, and so, like — I don’t know. That’s

24 what happened.

25 Q. Did you see the expression on his face when

26 he drank it.

27 A. Yeah, he acted like it was a gross-tasting

28 taste, face. I don’t know how to say it. 1563

Here’s a very interesting excerpt: Sneddon showed Gavin a diagram of the seating arrangements of the plane that they took from Miami to Neverland, and he asked Gavin to point to where everyone was sitting throughout the flight. Gavin and Sneddon made no mention whatsoever of Dr. Farshshian, who Star said was sitting directly across from Gavin when Jackson allegedly licked his head!

4 MR. SNEDDON: Your Honor, this exhibit is –

5 I’m sorry, Counsel – 344 for identification

6 purposes. I’m going to hand this to the witness.

7 And why don’t you hand me those two things right

8 there.

9 Take that. And here’s a pen. Don’t do

10 anything yet.

11 Q. All right. Do you recognize the exhibit

12 that I’ve just placed in front of you.

13 A. Yeah, it looks like the inside of the plane

14 that we were in.

15 MR. SNEDDON: All right. Your Honor, I’m

16 going to move that be admitted into evidence for the

17 purpose of illustrating his testimony.

18 MR. MESEREAU: I have no objection.

19 THE COURT: It’s admitted.

20 MR. SNEDDON: Okay. We’re going to put a

21 diagram on the board — on the Elmo in just a

22 second.

23 This is a laser.


25 MR. SNEDDON: Go ahead. Put it up.

26 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: It should be coming up.

27 THE BAILIFF: It will take a moment.

28 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Okay. Gavin — 1564

1 A. Yes.

2 Q. — I want you to look up on the board, and

3 ask if you can show the ladies and gentlemen of the

4 jury where you were seated on the plane.

5 Okay. So you’re indicating in the middle of

6 the diagram, correct.

7 A. Yes.

8 Q. Now, on the chart that’s in front of you –

9 okay. – 344 —

10 A. Yes.

11 Q. — I want you to take that pen I gave you

12 and I want you to put your initials in the seat that

13 you’ve just showed to the ladies and gentlemen of

14 the jury.

15 Now, I want you to show the ladies and

16 gentlemen of the jury where Mr. Jackson was seated,

17 sitting.

18 Okay. It’s the one right next to you,

19 closest to the aisle; is that correct.

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. Would you put an “MJ” on the seat where he

22 was located.

23 Now, do you recall where your brother Star

24 was sitting at the time that he was offered the can

25 with the alcohol in it by Mr. Jackson.

26 A. I don’t think he was sitting. He was

27 standing, and he was —

28 Q. Where was he standing. 1565

1 A. Right there.

2 Q. Right in that area.

3 A. Yes.

4 Q. Would you put your brother’s initials — and

5 by “that area,” you’re meaning in the aisle at the

6 end of the table, correct.

7 A. Yes.

8 Q. Okay. Just put your brother’s initials

9 where you….

10 Now, do you remember where your mom was

11 sitting.

12 A. I think she was sitting over here somewhere.

13 Q. Okay. Move the diagram, if you would. Do

14 you think she was down there.

15 A. Yeah, I think so.

16 Q. Okay. Put your mother’s initials in there,

17 if you would. And by “there,” we mean on the upper

18 side of the diagram with the chair that’s the

19 farthest to the left.

20 A. Okay. What do I put. “JJ” or —

21 Q. “JA.”

22 Do you remember where any other of the

23 people on the plane were sitting.

24 A. I’m not sure, but Prince and Paris started

25 out right there. And then I think Grace was in

26 there.

27 Q. Okay. Why don’t you — where you say Prince

28 and Paris were, put two “P’s” on your diagram, 344. 1566

1 A. Okay.

2 Q. And you mentioned a person by the name of

3 Grace. Who is that, to your knowledge.

4 A. It’s like — like Prince and Paris’s

5 guardian lady.

6 Q. Okay. So why don’t you put a “G” where you

7 think that the individual you knew as Grace was

8 sitting.

9 All right. Anybody else. Do you remember

10 where Aldo and Marie Nicole were sitting.

11 A. I’m not sure. I think they might have been

12 sitting on those things.

13 Q. On the area in blue.

14 A. Yeah.

15 Q. Okay.

16 A. I don’t know.

17 Q. But you’re not sure.

18 A. No.

19 Q. Okay. And how about your sister.

20 A. I think she was sitting there.

21 Q. Was she there the whole time.

22 A. No.

23 Q. Did you see where she moved to.

24 A. I don’t know. I’d just see her pass by. We

25 were all sitting sometimes.

26 Q. You indicated for your sister a seat that’s

27 up on the front part of the left side of the diagram

28 on the lower side of the plane, correct. 1567

1 A. Yeah.

2 Q. All right. Why don’t you put your sister’s

3 initials in there, then.

4 A. Okay.

5 Q. All right. I think we’re done with that.

6 A. Okay.

Sneddon continued to ask about Gavin’s alleged consumption of alcohol while at Neverland, after arriving from Miami. Gavin stated that he drank alcohol “every night that Michael was there”, in the wine cellar, the arcade, and Jackson’s bedroom:

13 Q. Now, you told us that the first time that

14 night you spent in Mr. Jackson’s room and you slept

15 in his bed, along with your brother and Mr. Jackson.

16 From the time you got back from Miami till the time

17 you left with Jesus, where did you sleep.

18 A. Can you repeat the question. I’m sorry.

19 Q. Uh-huh. From the time you got back from

20 Miami and you went to the ranch —

21 A. Okay.

22 Q. — okay. — till the time you left with

23 Jesus – all right. – where did you sleep.

24 A. Whenever Michael was there, we would all

25 sleep in Michael’s room.

26 Q. Was Mr. Jackson there during that time

27 period.

28 A. Yeah. 1570

1 Q. During the time after you got to the ranch,

2 when the limousine took you from the airport to

3 Neverland Valley Ranch, till the time you left with

4 Jesus, did you ever have any more alcohol.

5 A. Yes.

6 Q. On how many occasions.

7 A. Every night that Michael was there.

8 Q. All right. Do you remember where you drank.

9 A. We would — like, in the arcade, because

10 that’s where the wine cellar was. Well, it’s kind

11 of like a wine cellar.

12 Q. You say “we.” Who’s “we”.

13 A. Me, my brother, Michael mainly.

14 Q. And how did you get into the wine cellar.

15 A. Michael would take us there.

16 Q. Can you tell the ladies and gentlemen of the

17 jury, just describe how you get down there.

18 A. Okay. In the back of the main house,

19 there’s an arcade. And then, like, you walk across,

20 and there’s a pool to the right, and then you go

21 inside the arcade.

22 And then, like, there’s this jukebox, and

23 then you have to move the jukebox. And then you

24 walk down these stairs, and there’s a door that you

25 open. It’s kind of like to the right. And then you

26 walk in there, and there’s no alcohol in the first

27 room. There’s, like, sleeping bags, I think, like a

28 little green couch. 1571

1 And then you walk through, and then to the

2 right there’s another door, and then there’s like

3 this hallway kind of thing, and then that’s where,

4 like, all the alcohol was, in refrigerators and

5 stuff like that.

6 Q. And who was it that took you down to that

7 area the first time.

8 A. Michael.

9 Q. Did you ever go down there without Mr.

10 Jackson.

11 A. No. Well, we went down there once. That

12 was just because we wanted to, like, look at the

13 little green thing that they had there with all the

14 trees and stuff on there. It was kind of like a

15 model thing.

16 Q. Did you ever go down there and drink any

17 alcohol without Mr. Jackson being present.

18 A. No.

19 Q. And you said “we” went down there to look at

20 these little green things. Who was it that went

21 with you.

22 A. Me and my brother.

23 Q. Was it a time when Mr. Jackson was on the

24 ranch.

25 A. Yes.

26 Q. Now, were there any other locations on the

27 ranch where you drank with Mr. Jackson.

28 A. Yes. 1572

1 Q. Where.

2 A. In his office and in his room.

3 Q. And would this be during the same time

4 period we’re talking about, from the time period

5 from when you got there from Miami till the time you

6 left with Jesus.

7 A. If it happened.

8 Q. Yes.

9 A. Yes.

10 Q. Was there ever any occasion that you drank

11 something other than wine.

12 A. Yes.

13 Q. Tell us what it was.

14 A. I drank Bacardi, vodka and Jim Bean.

15 Q. Jim what.

16 A. Jim Bean, I think it was called.

17 Q. Did you say “bean”.

18 A. Bean.

19 Q. Can you spell it.

20 A. B-e-a-n.

21 Q. Okay. And who provided you with the

22 Bacardi.

23 A. Michael.

24 Q. Who provided you with the Jim Bean.

25 A. Michael.

26 Q. And who provided you with the vodka.

27 A. Michael.

28 Q. Did Mr. Jackson ever say anything to you 1573

1 about drinking and providing this alcohol to you.

2 A. No, he just said, like, well, it’s Jesus

3 Juice and it was okay because Jesus drank it, and

4 stuff like that.

5 Q. Did you ever tell Mr. Jackson that you only

6 had one kidney.

7 A. Yes.

8 Q. And did you ever tell Mr. Jackson anything

9 about alcohol and your kidney.

10 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading.

11 THE COURT: Sustained.

12 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Did you ever have a

13 conversation with Mr. Jackson about your kidneys.

14 A. Yes.

15 Q. Kidney.

16 A. Kidney, yeah.

17 Q. Sorry. What did you tell him.

18 A. I told him that it was bad for me to drink

19 alcohol. And he said it’s okay; that it’s fine;

20 that nothing’s going to happen.

21 Q. Do you recall how many occasions you had

22 that conversation with Mr. Jackson.

23 A. I think like three times.

24 Q. I couldn’t hear you.

25 A. Maybe like three times.

26 Q. And where was it when you had these

27 conversations with Mr. Jackson.

28 A. I think once was in the office and the other 1574

1 two times were in kind of like the wine cellar

2 thing.

3 Q. Were there times that you went down to the

4 wine cellar where your brother wasn’t present.

5 A. It was just me and Michael.

6 Q. Yes.

7 A. Yes.

8 Q. How many times do you think that just you

9 and Michael went down to the wine cellar. Now, I

10 want to stay — that was a bad question. Let me

11 just start over again. Okay.

12 A. Okay.

13 Q. I want to focus on the time where you got

14 there from Miami and the limo took you to the ranch

15 till the time that you left with Jesus, okay.

16 A. Okay.

17 Q. Did you ever go to the wine cellar with just

18 you and Mr. Jackson.

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. And on how many occasions was it just you

21 and Mr. Jackson in the wine cellar.

22 A. Not many. But, like, maybe five times

23 between Miami and Jesus.

24 Q. During the time that you were there from

25 Miami to Jesus, did you ever drink in the bedroom.

26 A. Yes.

27 Q. How many times do you think that was.

28 A. A lot, because we would sleep in his room, 1575

1 and then we would take the Jesus Juice up there.

2 Q. So you’d take the stuff up there to drink.

3 A. Yes.

Here’s another interesting quote from Gavin; in this excerpt, he admits that although his mother allegedly wanted to leave Neverland, he wanted to stay because he was “kind of having fun”:

4 Q. During the time you were at the ranch again,

5 from the time you got there in the limo till the

6 time you left with Jesus, do you know where your

7 mother was staying.

8 A. In her unit.

9 Q. In her what.

10 A. In her unit that they gave her.

11 Q. And did you ever go visit her.

12 A. Yes.

13 Q. How many times do you think you visited her.

14 A. Like, three times a week.

15 Q. And did you have — don’t tell us what she

16 said, just tell us — I want to know, did you have

17 any conversations with her.

18 A. Yes.

19 Q. Did you ever have any conversations with her

20 about leaving.

21 A. Yes.

22 Q. Did you want to leave, you personally.

23 A. Not really, because I was kind of having

24 fun.

In this excerpt, Sneddon asked Gavin to describe the trip that he and his family made to their grandmother’s home with Jesus Salas, a security manager at Neverland. Gavin claimed that he received a call from Frank Cascio, asking him and his family to return to Neverland because they were in danger, and their lives were being threatened. Sneddon mentioned during his opening statement that Janet returned to Neverland with her family because she was promised by Frank Cascio that neither Ronald Konitzer nor Dieter Weisner would be at the ranch, and when she arrived and saw them, she immediately asked to leave, and was taken to Jay Jackson’s home by Jackson’s bodyguard Chris Carter.  

6 Q. Now, when you got back from — from Miami

7 and you went to the ranch – okay. – and before you

8 left with Jesus, same time period —

9 A. Okay.

10 Q. — did you see either Dieter or Ronald at

11 Neverland Valley Ranch.

12 A. No, I don’t think so.

13 Q. Did you ever see them at the ranch.

14 A. Yes.

15 Q. When do you think you saw them there.

16 A. I think I saw them when we came back when —

17 after we left with Jesus.

18 Q. Now, you’ve identified the photograph of Mr.

19 Tyson.

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. And did you see Mr. Tyson at the ranch.

22 A. I don’t know. I don’t think so.

23 Q. During the entire time you were there, you

24 don’t recall seeing him.

25 A. Yeah, I remember seeing him there at

26 Neverland.

27 Q. Oh, okay. Do you recall when it was you saw

28 him there. 1583

1 A. I don’t remember the first time.

2 Q. Do you remember on how many occasions you

3 saw him there.

4 A. No. But I saw him there a lot. Well —

5 Q. I can’t hear you.

6 A. No, but I saw him there.

7 Q. Did you ever see — the two people that you

8 talked about there, Dieter and Ronald – okay. —

9 A. Okay.

10 Q. — were they at the ranch at the same time

11 as Mr. Jackson.

12 A. Yes, I believe so.

13 Q. Did you ever see them together.

14 A. I think so. I did once or twice.

15 Q. All right. You left with the person you’ve

16 identified to the jury as a person by the name of

17 Jesus. Do you recall that.

18 A. Yes.

19 Q. And you told us you went to your

20 grandparents’ place. What time was it when you left

21 with Jesus.

22 A. Late at night.

23 Q. And do you recall who it was that — well,

24 was it the person you knew as Jesus who did the

25 driving.

26 A. Yes.

27 Q. When you got to your grandparents’ place,

28 did you ever go back to Neverland Valley Ranch after 1584

1 that.

2 A. Yes.

3 Q. And do you recall how many days there were

4 in between the time you left and the time you went

5 back.

6 A. I’m not sure. I think a few days.

7 Q. Do you ever recall, during the time that you

8 were off of the ranch, having a telephone

9 conversation with Frank Tyson.

10 A. Yes.

11 Q. And where were you when you received — when

12 you participated in that telephone conversation.

13 A. I’m not sure.

14 Q. Do you recall who else was present during

15 the conversation.

16 A. My mom.

17 Q. And did you talk to Mr. Tyson.

18 A. Yes.

19 Q. And what did Mr. Tyson say to you.

20 And it’s offered under 1223, Your Honor.

21 THE COURT: All right. I’m accepting this

22 testimony conditionally, as before.

23 MR. MESEREAU: Objection noted, Your Honor.

24 THE COURT: Noted.

25 MR. MESEREAU: Thank you.

26 THE WITNESS: He was telling me about that

27 they were scared that something was going to happen

28 to me, and that they were worried, and they wanted 1585

1 us to come back up, stuff like that.

2 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Did you ever make any

3 complaints to Mr. Tyson.

4 A. Yeah.

5 Q. And what complaint did you make to Mr.

6 Tyson.

7 A. That I didn’t like the — Dieter and Ronald.

8 Q. And why did you say that.

9 A. Because they had my mom worried, really.

10 And my mom was scared of them, so….

11 Q. Where was it that your mom had contact with

12 Dieter and Ronald.

13 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; foundation.

14 THE COURT: Sustained.

15 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Do you know where it was

16 that your mother had contact with Ronald or Dieter.

17 A. Now that I think back, I think it was at

18 Neverland, so I think they were there before we left

19 with Jesus. Or it could have been a phone call.

20 Q. I couldn’t — all right. So you — you

21 voiced a complaint to Mr. Tyson on the phone.

22 A. Yes.

23 Q. And what did Mr. Tyson say to you about the

24 complaint. Do you recall anything.

25 A. He said that we’ll never have to see them

26 again.

27 MR. MESEREAU: Objection, hearsay.

28 MR. SNEDDON: Offered for the same purpose, 1586

1 Your Honor.

2 THE COURT: All right. I’ll allow the

3 testimony under the conditional admittance of

4 hearsay that I’ve ruled on before.

5 I’m a little concerned, though. It’s not

6 clear to me —

7 MR. SNEDDON: How about if I go back and ask

8 a clarifying question. I think I know where the

9 Court’s going.

10 THE COURT: All right.

11 MR. SNEDDON: I might be able to help the

12 Court.

13 Q. You told the ladies and gentlemen of the

14 jury that you had a telephone conversation with

15 Mr. Tyson at some point after you had left the ranch

16 with Jesus; is that correct.

17 A. Yes.

18 Q. And that your mother was present during that

19 conversation.

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. And that you personally talked to Mr. Tyson.

22 A. Yes.

23 Q. All right. Now, you were about to tell us

24 something that Mr. Tyson said, and I believe — if

25 you could do that.

26 And again, it’s offered for the same reason,

27 Your Honor.

28 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; hearsay. 1587

1 THE COURT: I’ll admit it conditionally.

2 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Go ahead.

3 A. He just told me that I would never have to

4 see them again.

5 Q. See “them,” meaning who.

6 A. Dieter and Ronald.

7 Q. Now, at some point you went back to the

8 ranch —

9 A. Yes.

10 Q. — is that correct.

11 And do you recall how you got back there.

12 A. I’m not too sure.

13 Q. Who went back with you.

14 A. Me, my mom, my brother, my sister.

15 Q. And when you got back to the ranch, do you

16 recall whether — what time of the day or night it

17 was.

18 A. No.

19 Q. When you got back to the ranch, do you

20 recall whether or not you saw Dieter or Ronald.

21 A. Yes.

22 Q. Do you recall where they were when you saw

23 them.

24 A. I think I saw Dieter in the kitchen sitting

25 on the stool thing. And he’s saying that we were

26 going to, like, go to —

27 Q. You’re going to have to talk into that and

28 not mumble. 1588

1 A. And he told us that he wanted to, like, go

2 to Australia or Brazil, or something like that, for

3 a vacation.

4 Q. Do you know whether or not your mom remained

5 on the ranch, or left that night or that day that

6 you got back.

7 A. I think that was the day that she went down

8 to see my now stepdad.

9 Q. I can’t hear you.

10 A. I think that was the day that she went down

11 to go see my now stepdad.  

Next, Sneddon asked Gavin to describe the alarms that went off outside of Jackson’s bedroom when they were set off as people walked into his bedroom:

12 Q. Now, during the time that you were at

13 Neverland Valley Ranch, you’ve told us that you were

14 in Mr. Jackson’s bedroom and in his bed, correct.

15 A. Yes.

16 Q. Now, how do you get into Mr. Jackson’s

17 bedroom.

18 A. You walk through these big double doors, and

19 then — and then you walk to the other door, and

20 then you punch in a code, and then there are two

21 other double doors, the little lock goes off, and

22 then you can open the door, and then — and that’s

23 his room.

24 Q. Now, are there any — does anything go off

25 when you get to a certain point —

26 A. Yes.

27 Q. — that you’re walking down the hallway.

28 A. Yes. 1589

1 Q. What is it that goes off.

2 A. Well, when you go in the first door, it goes

3 like this, a little ringing sound goes off. And

4 then when you punch in the code, another — it goes

5 off again.

6 Q. Can you hear from the outside of — when it

7 goes off.

8 A. Yes.

9 Q. Can you tell us what it sounds like.

10 A. “Dee-doo, dee-doo.” Sounds like that.

11 Q. And do you recall how many times it goes —

12 I’m not going to imitate you — how many times it

13 does that.

14 A. I’m not sure. I think it was like — maybe

15 like three times.

16 Q. Now, where did you get the code to get into

17 Mr. Jackson’s bedroom or into his bedroom suite.

18 A. Michael.

19 Q. Pardon.

20 A. Michael.

21 Q. Was there more than one code to get in

22 there.

23 A. Yeah, I think so. Because the nurse — I

24 mean, not the nurse. The maid lady would punch in a

25 different code than the one I knew.

26 Q. So did you get another set of codes from

27 somebody.

28 A. Oh, from — for the other — well, there’s 1590

1 another door to the main house that I knew a code

2 for.

3 Q. You did or did not.

4 A. Did.

Gavin is then asked about the times when he was allegedly served alcohol by Jackson, and he claimed that he was given Vodka on numerous occasions, which was so strong and powerful that during one occasion his head began to spin, and he put his head into a pillow to alleviate the pain:

10 Q. Now, do you remember — you told us that

11 some of the times that you drank vodka with Mr.

12 Jackson, correct.

13 A. Yes.

14 Q. Do you ever remember a situation — what

15 effect did the vodka have on you.

16 A. Well, there was just one time — well, vodka

17 really tasted —

18 Q. You’re going to have to lean into that and

19 talk so we can hear you.

20 A. I don’t really understand what you’re —

21 Q. What effect did the vodka have on you.

22 A. What did it make me feel like.

23 Q. Yeah.

24 A. Well, there was one time where — where the

25 first time that Michael introduced me to vodka, he

26 had, like, a glass about that big —

27 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Calls for a

28 narrative; nonresponsive. 1591

1 THE COURT: It’s nonresponsive.

2 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: All right. Did Mr. Jackson

3 provide vodka to you.

4 A. Yes.

5 Q. And how did he — and what did he provide it

6 to you in.

7 A. In a glass about that big.

8 Q. So you’re indicating maybe two or three

9 inches.

10 A. I guess. I don’t know.

11 Q. And what kind of a glass — where were you

12 when he provided it to you.

13 A. I was in the wine cellar.

14 Q. And did you see him pour the vodka into it.

15 A. No.

16 Q. Did you know what it was when you first

17 sipped it.

18 A. No.

19 Q. How was it that you ended up drinking that

20 particular glass.

21 A. I walked down there, because I asked where

22 Michael was — well, we were in the arcade, and

23 that’s what we usually kind of did. And then so I

24 went down to the wine cellar and I saw Michael

25 there, and then Michael had the glass poured. And

26 then I asked him what that was, and he said, “Drink

27 it.” And then he said like —

28 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. 1592

1 MR. SNEDDON: All right.

2 MR. MESEREAU: Nonresponsive.

3 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: What did he say to you.

4 A. He told me to drink the —

5 THE COURT: Just a moment. There’s an

6 objection pending, or just to the narrative.

7 MR. MESEREAU: Narrative, Your Honor.

8 THE COURT: Go ahead with your next question.

9 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: What did he say to you.

10 A. He told me to drink the vodka.

11 Q. And did you do that.

12 A. Yes, but I didn’t know it was vodka. I

13 thought it was water, because it’s, like, clear.

14 Q. Okay.

15 A. So I drank it really fast like if it was

16 water. And then I didn’t really — when I brought

17 it to my nose, it smelled like rubbing alcohol, and

18 then I chucked it back really quick, and it started

19 burning. Well, I, like, took down the whole thing,

20 but it really burned.

21 And then like two or three seconds later my

22 head started — like it looked like the room was

23 spinning, so I put my head inside the couch. You

24 know the green couch that I was talking about. I

25 put my head inside it so I couldn’t see the room

26 spinning, because it was kind of hurting.

27 Q. Why did you do that. Why did you put your

28 head into the couch, in the pillow. 1593

1 A. I — I remember when I was a little, we’d

2 spin around a lot when we play. I would close my

3 eyes or put my head into a pillow or something, so

4 that way I wouldn’t see the room spin.

5 Q. Was that the only occasion that you drank

6 vodka with Mr. Jackson.

7 A. No.

8 Q. Were there other occasions.

9 A. Yeah.

10 Q. How many, do you think, where you had vodka

11 with Mr. —

12 A. I’m not sure. Because when we’d drink wine,

13 we’d usually have a little bit of vodka, so — a lot

14 of times.

On a final note, here is a clip of Mesereau explaining to the media how overblown the “Pajama Day” controversy really was! It was Jackson’s intention to go home and change, but Mesereau advised him to go straight to court in order to arrive on time and remain free.

Gavin’s testimony continues in the next post…..

9 Comments leave one →
  1. stacy2 permalink
    June 14, 2012 6:19 am


    Because Judge Melville was pro-prosecution. You could tell by his rulings.

  2. Rodrigo permalink
    June 13, 2012 2:20 pm

    7 years ago today…NOT GUILTY!!! 😀

    I remember watching it with my family, we were all gripping each others hands tightly and when the verdict was read out, NOT GUILTY, NOT GUILTY – we were just so overjoyed, it was unbelievable.

    God bless those who fought and continue to fight for justice in Michael’s name 🙂

  3. aldebaran permalink
    June 13, 2012 1:39 pm

    I always wondered why Judge Melville went bananas like that–issuing an order for arrest and revoking the 3 million dollar bail b/c Michael had a back injury. What if he had been in a car accident and was in a coma–would they still want him to rush there? It seems so unfair and illogical. Why didn’t the judge at least talk to the doctor?? We know that Michael had a bad back from falling 50 feet when a bridge fell down during a peformance of Earth Song.

  4. lynande51 permalink*
    June 12, 2012 6:36 pm

    You know from the beginning until the end Sneddon and the media made such a big deal about the alarms going off whenever anyone got half way down that hallway and two other times before you reached the actual bedroom. Not one person can explain why just when he needed it most MJ ignored it? Not just once but twice according to Star! What is up with that? That is not reasonable or logical thinking.

  5. June 12, 2012 1:03 pm

    Just out of curiosity, where are all of these transcripts from? Are they all online somewhere?

    • sanemjfan permalink
      June 12, 2012 1:08 pm

      Yes they can be found online on the Floacist blog (which is on the blogroll), and many other sites. They used to be stored online on the official Santa Barbara County Superior Court website (also on the blogroll), but are no longer there, although the official court pleadings are still there.

      There are many witnesses whose testimony is not online, so I had to buy them myself from the official court reporter. You can see a copy of one of our emails in the summary of the opening statements, which I posted in early May (and should still be listed under “Recent posts”).

    • June 12, 2012 11:04 pm

      Ok, thanks. 🙂

  6. nannorris permalink
    June 11, 2012 11:11 pm

    from Gavins testimony:

    24 A. Well, there was one time where — where the

    25 first time that Michael introduced me to vodka, he

    26 had, like, a glass about that big –

    It is so obvious this kid has been coached what to say..Michael “introduced him to vodka” what kid uses an expression like that..
    Furthermore Starr speaks like he barely knew who Larry Feldman was and yet his brother,, Gavin, in on a first name basis with him
    How many times did the Arvizo actually meet with this Atty Feldman ,, who supposedly just passed this family off to Sneddon ,, that he is calling him Larry…
    Feldman,was supposedly only doing a little pro bono work for this poor family, because they had no plans for a civil suit., even thought the fees were already decided…….pfft


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