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April 1st, 2005 Trial Analysis: Jeff Klapakis (Cross Examination), Jack Green, Larry Feldman, and Jesus Salas (Direct Examination), Part 4 of 4

November 11, 2012

The next prosecution witness was Jesus Salas, who worked at Neverland for 20 years (starting before Jackson bought the ranch in 1987), and resigned in June 2003. Here is his testimony on his background and responsibilities at Neverland:

5 DIRECT EXAMINATION

 

6 BY MR. AUCHINCLOSS:

 

7 Q. Good afternoon, Mr. Salas.

 

8 A. Good afternoon.

 

9 Q. In the year 2003, Mr. Salas, who were you

 

10 employed by?

 

11 A. I was employed by Neverland Valley Ranch.

 

12 Q. And who was your employer?

 

13 A. Mr. Jackson.

 

14 Q. Michael Jackson?

 

15 A. Michael Jackson, yes.

 

16 Q. The man seated to my right?

 

17 A. That is correct.

 

18 Q. Mr. Salas, how long — well, let me back up.

 

19 When did you cease to work for Neverland Valley

 

20 Ranch? When did you stop working there?

 

21 A. It was late June 2003.

 

22 Q. And how many years did you work at Neverland

 

23 Valley Ranch?

 

24 A. 20 years.

 

25 Q. Did you work there before Mr. Jackson bought

 

26 that property?

 

27 A. Yes, sir.

 

28 Q. And what did you do during your years at 4613

 

1 working at Neverland Ranch? What were you employed

 

2 doing?

 

3 A. I was outside on-grounds maintenance

 

4 supervisor.

 

5 Q. You were a supervisor of grounds

 

6 maintenance?

 

7 A. Right.

 

8 Q. And what did that involve?

 

9 A. Keeping up the place, you know, maintaining

 

10 the place, and anything that — any activities that

 

11 needed to be done on the grounds.

 

12 Q. Did you have people working under you?

 

13 A. Yes.

 

14 Q. And how many?

 

15 A. I believe it was about 15 people, something

 

16 like that.

 

17 Q. 15?

 

18 A. Uh-huh.

 

19 Q. Who did you report to during that period of

 

20 time?

 

21 A. We had a ranch manager.

 

22 Q. And at some point, did you change jobs?

 

23 A. Yes, I did.

 

24 Q. When was that?

 

25 A. It was — I would say it was in the middle

 

26 of 2002.

 

27 Q. And what job did you take up? What was your

 

28 new job at that time? 4614

 

1 A. I was assigned to be the house manager for

 

2 Mr. Jackson.

 

3 Q. Was that a promotion?

 

4 A. I would say yes.

 

5 Q. Okay. More responsibility?

 

6 A. More responsibility.

 

7 Q. And what did you do as the house manager?

 

8 A. Making sure that the house was — making

 

9 sure that everything that the house needed to be

 

10 done. I was just to make sure that everything was

 

11 there for Mr. Jackson and his guests.

 

12 Q. And when you say “the house,” what structure

 

13 or structures do you mean with specificity,

 

14 specifically?

 

15 A. It was the main house and guest units,

 

16 theater. Anything involved with the facilities of

 

17 Mr. Jackson.

 

18 Q. How many people did you have working under

 

19 you as house manager?

 

20 A. Eight people.

 

21 Q. And what were their various employments?

 

22 What did they do?

 

23 A. House — house maids and cooks.

 

24 Q. So who did you report to when you were house

 

25 manager?

 

26 A. We also have a ranch manager. But I also

 

27 report to Mr. Jackson.

 

28 Q. Did you report directly to Mr. Jackson? 4615

 

1 A. Yes, I did.

 

2 Q. And whereabouts did you work? What was —

 

3 in your day-to-day life as house manager, your

 

4 employment as house manager, tell me about — give

 

5 me an idea of what you would do in a given day.

 

6 A. Well, we did the various of things, you

 

7 know. Making sure that the place was clean. Making

 

8 sure that we had everything stocked, supplies. And

 

9 making sure that the guesthouse was clean. Stuff

 

10 like that. Just keeping up with the place.

 

11 Q. Did you have an office or anything of that

 

12 nature?

 

13 A. Yes. There’s an office in the house.

 

14 Q. And where is that located?

 

15 A. It’s in the back of the house, as you first

 

16 go into the main, the back door on the left side.

 

17 Q. When Mr. Jackson was on the property, how

 

18 often would you have contact with him, as house

 

19 manager?

 

20 A. Daily basis.

 

21 Q. More than once a day, or — give me an idea,

 

22 if you would.

 

23 A. Sometimes it was once. Sometimes it was

 

24 more than that. It depends.

 

25 Q. And if Mr. Jackson wanted something done,

 

26 let’s say he wanted flowers in a certain place at

 

27 the house, who would take care of that?

 

28 A. It was — that responsibility, it was some 4616

 

1 other people who was in charge of the flowers.

 

2 Q. Okay. Would he — who would he tell that he

 

3 wanted the flowers in that particular place?

 

4 A. Mr. Jackson will tell anybody that he wanted

 

5 to first.

 

6 Q. Okay. As far as keeping the kitchen

 

7 stocked, was that one of your jobs?

 

8 A. Yes.

 

9 Q. What about alcohol on the ranch, was that

 

10 your job as well, to keep alcohol stocked?

 

11 A. I had to make sure that we had what he

 

12 needed or anything that needed to be in the house.

 

13 Q. Can you characterize for me what level of

 

14 service Mr. Jackson expected at Neverland Ranch?

 

15 A. The best.

 

16 Q. What were your daily hours like?

 

17 A. It was pretty long hours. 7 a.m. to — to

 

18 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning. 3:00 sometimes.

 

19 Q. Was that a normal day for you to work such

 

20 long hours?

 

21 A. It was not normal. But it was a requirement

 

22 that we had it — to get things done.

 

23 Q. And can you characterize for me the

 

24 expectation that Mr. Jackson had concerning the

 

25 level of service?

 

26 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Vague; calls for

 

27 speculation.

 

28 THE WITNESS: When you say “expectation,” 4617

 

1 could you specify it a little bit?

 

2 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Just a moment.

 

3 THE COURT: Okay, he’s asked you to clarify.

 

4 Q. BY MR. AUCHINCLOSS: You said that the

 

5 services for Mr. Jackson was first class?

 

6 A. Yes.

 

7 Q. Yes?

 

8 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; misstates the

 

9 evidence.

10 Q. BY MR. AUCHINCLOSS: I can’t recall exactly

 

11 what you said. What did you say about the level of

 

12 service?

 

13 A. That he expected the best.

 

14 Q. He expected the best. Okay. And if he

 

15 didn’t get the best, would he let you know that?

 

16 A. Yes.

 

17 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; calls for

 

18 speculation.

 

19 THE COURT: Overruled.

Next, Auchincloss questioned Salas about Jackson’s demeanor and personality, in an attempt to portray him as the gangster mob boss of Neverland or some crap like that:

20 Q. BY MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Was Mr. Jackson shy

 

21 about telling somebody, an employee, that he was

 

22 displeased about something?

 

23 A. Not necessarily. He would tell you the

 

24 way — he will make you understand what he wanted.

 

25 Q. Did he ever fire people?

 

26 A. Not that I’m aware of.

 

27 Q. Was he ever responsible for firing someone?

 

28 A. No. 4618

 

1 Q. You don’t know if he ever wanted someone

 

2 fired?

 

3 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; asked and

 

4 answered.

 

5 THE COURT: Sustained.

 

6 Q. BY MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Was anybody fired

 

7 during the period of time that you worked there?

 

8 A. Yes.

 

9 Q. Tell me, was anybody fired when you worked

 

10 as a house manager?

 

11 A. No, nobody.

 

12 Q. While you worked at Neverland, were you ever

 

13 asked to maintain any level of secrecy about what

 

14 happened at Neverland?

 

15 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading.

 

16 THE COURT: Overruled.

 

17 You may answer.

 

18 THE WITNESS: There’s — there’s a procedure

 

19 that when you are hired at Neverland Valley Ranch

 

20 you do sign some confidentiality forms.

 

21 Q. BY MR. AUCHINCLOSS: And when you agree to

 

22 that form, what are you agreeing to?

 

23 A. To respect the policy.

 

24 Q. What is the policy?

 

25 A. Of not talking anything that you shouldn’t

 

26 talk about, Neverland.

 

27 Q. Okay. Are you allowed to talk about

 

28 anything that happens on Neverland off the Neverland 4619

 

1 property?

 

2 A. No, you’re not.

Auchincloss then questioned Salas about his motivations for leaving Neverland after so many years:

3 Q. Why did you — why did you leave your

 

4 employment at Neverland?

 

5 A. The reason I left — it was many things

 

6 involving that. And I became to the point that I

 

7 say, you know, “This — it’s time for me to move

 

8 on.” There was some things that I didn’t like about

 

9 how things were running there. So it was a lot of

 

10 stress, and I say, “Okay, it’s time for me to move

 

11 on.”

 

12 Q. Whose decision was it to leave Neverland?

 

13 A. It was my decision.

In this excerpt, Salas described his recollections of the Frank Cascio through his experiences with him at Neverland throughout the years:

2 Q. Showing you Exhibit No. 20. I believe

 

3 you’ve identified this as whom?

 

4 A. Frank Tyson.

 

5 Q. And how long have you known Frank Tyson?

 

6 A. I know Frank Tyson for quite a few years

 

7 already.

 

8 Q. Can you give me an idea how old he was when

 

9 you first met him?

 

10 A. Not quite sure how old he was, but he was

 

11 pretty young.

 

12 Q. Okay. Can you estimate?

 

13 A. He was probably about 18 years, or something

 

14 like that.

 

15 Q. 18 years old?

 

16 A. Something like that.

 

17 Q. When you first met him?

 

18 A. Right.

 

19 Q. Do you know how old he is now?

 

20 A. I don’t.

 

21 Q. Okay. And where did you meet him?

 

22 A. At Neverland Valley Ranch.

 

23 Q. And did he associate with Mr. Jackson while

 

24 he was at Neverland Valley Ranch?

 

25 A. Yes, he did.

 

26 Q. How often?

 

27 A. I would say pretty often.

 

28 Q. Do you know what his relationship was with 4627

 

1 Mr. Jackson?

 

2 A. Just a friend, I believe.

 

3 Q. Okay. Have you ever described him as Mr.

 

4 Jackson’s right-hand man?

 

5 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Leading; move to

 

6 strike.

 

7 THE COURT: Overruled.

 

8 You may answer.

 

9 THE WITNESS: At one point, yes, sir, he was.

 

10 Q. BY MR. AUCHINCLOSS: When was he Mr.

 

11 Jackson’s right-hand man?

 

12 A. Don’t remember exactly the year that he was,

 

13 but I believe it was probably around ‘90. I want to

 

14 say that. Not quite sure of the year, you know.

 

15 Q. 1990?

 

16 A. Somewhere around there.

 

17 Q. So that would have been 15 years ago?

 

18 A. Something like that, I would say. Maybe

 

19 less than that.

 

20 Q. How old do you think he is now?

 

21 A. I’m not sure. I don’t know. I honestly

 

22 don’t know.

 

23 Q. How many years have you known him?

 

24 A. Well, I want to say it was about 15 years

 

25 since the first time I met him.

 

26 Q. All right. Now, why did you characterize

 

27 him as “Mr. Jackson’s right-hand man”?

 

28 A. Because at one point he came to the ranch 4628

 

1 and he is the one that was giving orders as to what

 

2 to do around the property.

 

3 Q. When he was there in 2003 — well, let me

 

4 back up. Was Frank Tyson on the ranch in 2003?

 

5 A. Yes, he was.

 

6 Q. And when he was there in 2003, did he also

 

7 give orders as to what should go on at the ranch?

 

8 A. No.

 

9 Q. Didn’t he also give you some orders, Mr.

 

10 Salas?

 

11 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading.

 

12 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: That’s impeachment.

 

13 MR. MESEREAU: Misstates the evidence. It’s

 

14 asked and answered.

 

15 THE COURT: Overruled.

 

16 You may answer.

 

17 THE WITNESS: Yes, he did. I mean, he did,

 

18 but not the same orders as when he was the first

 

19 time. This was more like for Mr. Jackson.

 

20 Q. BY MR. AUCHINCLOSS: More like he was giving

 

21 you orders for Mr. Jackson; is that what you’re

22 saying?

 

23 A. Yes.

 

24 MR. MESEREAU: Move to strike. The

 

25 prosecutor didn’t let him finish his answer. And

 

26 that’s leading.

 

27 THE COURT: Actually, he’s just repeating

 

28 what the witness said. Would you phrase a new 4629

 

1 question, please?

 

2 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Yes. Thank you.

 

3 Q. Why do you say that he was giving you orders

 

4 for Mr. Jackson?

 

5 A. Because many times, if things that needed to

 

6 be done, or anything that need — to Mr. Jackson to

 

7 be notified, he would said, “I will take care of

 

8 that.” So that’s how I realized that he was also

 

9 giving orders.

 

10 Q. Did you ever see Mr. Jackson give Frank

 

11 Tyson orders or —

 

12 A. No, no, I didn’t.

 

13 Q. And did Mr. Jackson spend time with Frank

 

14 Tyson in 2003?

 

15 A. Yes.

 

16 Q. Can you characterize how often they would

 

17 spend time together when they were at the ranch?

 

18 A. I would say, I don’t know, about once a day

 

19 or something like that. All depends.

 

20 Q. Once a day they would get together?

 

21 A. On occasions. Not always, okay?

 

22 Q. I’m just asking you for what you saw.

 

23 A. Right.

 

24 Q. Okay. So when you’d see them get together

 

25 during the day, can you tell me, whereabouts would

 

26 they meet on the ranch? Where would you see them?

 

27 A. Many times it was in his office. Many times

 

28 it was in the video library. Not in the video 4630

 

1 library. The library at the house.

 

2 Q. Uh-huh.

 

3 A. Sometimes in Mr. Jackson’s room.

 

4 Q. When you say “his office,” do you mean Mr.

 

5 Jackson’s office?

 

6 A. Mr. Jackson’s office, yes.

 

7 Q. Can you tell me, how would you characterize

 

8 their relationship, based upon what you saw, the

 

9 years of seeing them together?

 

10 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; asked and

 

11 answered.

 

12 THE COURT: Overruled.

 

13 You may answer. Do you want the question

 

14 read back?

 

15 THE WITNESS: Yes. Go ahead and ask the

 

16 question again, please.

 

17 Q. BY MR. AUCHINCLOSS: My question is, how

 

18 would you character — how would you describe their

 

19 relationship, based on all the years that you saw

 

20 Mr. Tyson and Mr. Jackson associating with one

 

21 another?

 

22 A. I would say that it was some friend

 

23 relationship, bonded together.

 

24 Q. How would you characterize it in terms of

 

25 closeness?

 

26 A. What do you mean by that?

 

27 Q. Well, were they close friends or distant

 

28 friends? You know what I mean, I think. 4631

 

1 A. No, I think at one point they were pretty

 

2 close friends.

 

3 Q. Did they still appear to be friends in 2003?

 

4 A. Not really.

 

5 Q. Not really?

 

6 A. No.

 

7 Q. Well, Mr. Tyson was a guest in 2003, wasn’t

 

8 he?

 

9 A. Yes, he was.

 

10 Q. And he was — did Mr. Jackson allow guests

 

11 on the ranch when he didn’t want them there?

 

12 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading question.

 

13 THE COURT: It’s argumentative.

 

14 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Okay.

 

15 Q. Do you know if Mr. Jackson allowed anybody

 

16 on the ranch who he was not friends with?

 

17 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; calls for

 

18 speculation.

 

19 THE COURT: Sustained.

 

20 Q. BY MR. AUCHINCLOSS: If Mr. Jackson did not

 

21 want somebody on the ranch, would he keep them out?

 

22 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; calls for

 

23 speculation.

 

24 THE COURT: Sustained.

 

25 Q. BY MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Is there a security

 

26 gate at Neverland Ranch?

 

27 A. Yes, there is.

 

28 Q. And does someone have to get permission to 4632

 

1 get into Neverland Ranch?

 

2 A. Absolutely.

 

3 Q. And if Mr. Jackson says, “Don’t let this

 

4 person in,” will that person get into Neverland

 

5 Ranch?

 

6 A. No.

 

7 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; calls for

 

8 speculation.

 

9 THE COURT: Overruled. The answer is, “No.”

 

10 Q. BY MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Now, during this time

 

11 in 2003, was Mr. Jackson still meeting with Frank on

 

12 about a daily basis?

 

13 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Misstates the

 

14 evidence; move to strike; it’s leading.

 

15 THE COURT: Assumes facts. I’ll sustain the

 

16 objection.

 

17 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Okay.

 

18 Q. When Mr. Jackson and Mr. Tyson — well, let

 

19 me back up.

 

20 In early 2003, January, February, March

 

21 2003, where was Mr. Tyson living?

 

22 A. He was living — he was at the video

 

23 library.

 

24 Q. At Neverland Ranch?

 

25 A. Yes, sir.

 

26 Q. He had his own bedroom there?

 

27 A. They had a bed upstairs, yes.

 

28 Q. And during that period of time in 2003, 4633

 

1 would you see Mr. Jackson and Mr. Tyson together?

 

2 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; asked and

 

3 answered.

 

4 THE COURT: Sustained.

 

5 THE WITNESS: Occasionally, yes.

 

6 Q. BY MR. AUCHINCLOSS: You would see them

 

7 together?

 

8 A. Yes.

 

9 Q. Did Mr. Tyson have an office set up at

 

10 Neverland Valley Ranch during that period of time?

 

11 A. Yes, he did.

 

12 Q. Where was his office?

 

13 A. It was in the video library.

Salas was then asked to describe his observations of Vinnie Amen, one of the other unindicted co-conspirators in the case. Judge Melville ended the court early that day in order to address the lawyers outside the presence of the jury about motions that they had recently filed:

14 Q. Was there anybody else who had an office in

 

15 the same area?

 

16 A. Yes. That was Vinnie.

 

17 Q. Who?

 

18 A. Vinnie.

19 Q. Vinnie?

 

20 A. Uh-huh.

 

21 Q. Who is Vinnie?

 

22 A. Vinnie was a friend of Frank Tyson. Or I

 

23 guess, I should say.

 

24 Q. Where was Vinnie living during that time?

 

25 A. He was living in the same area, same place.

 

26 Q. I show you grand jury exhibit — or, sorry,

 

27 People’s Exhibit No. 19. Can you identify that

 

28 photo? 4634

 

1 A. Yes, that’s Vinnie.

 

2 Q. All right. Do you know what the office that

 

3 Vinnie and Frank had in the video library was being

 

4 used for? Do you know what they were using that

 

5 office for during that period of time?

 

6 A. No, I don’t.

 

7 Q. That was in the house; is that true?

 

8 A. That was at the video library.

 

9 Q. Is that in the house?

 

10 A. That is outside the main house.

 

11 Q. Okay. And where is it?

 

12 A. That is above Mr. Jackson’s office,

 

13 upstairs.

 

14 Q. Okay. So is that connected in some way by

 

15 any building to the main house?

 

16 A. Yes, they’re all bonded together.

 

17 Q. They’re all part of the same structure?

 

18 A. Right.

 

19 Q. And would Mr. Jackson go up into the video

 

20 library during that period of time, in early 2003?

 

21 A. I would say occasional.

 

22 Q. And why didn’t you know what was going on up

 

23 there? Why didn’t you know what Frank and Vinnie

 

24 were doing up there if you were the house manager?

 

25 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Calls for

 

26 speculation; no foundation; leading.

 

27 THE COURT: Overruled.

 

28 You may answer. 4635

 

1 THE WITNESS: It wasn’t my business to find

 

2 out what they were doing up there.

 

3 Q. BY MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Were you ever

 

4 discouraged from asking those kinds of questions?

 

5 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading.

 

6 THE COURT: Sustained.

 

7 THE WITNESS: Not really.

 

8 MR. MESEREAU: Withdraw the objection.

 

9 (Laughter.)

 

10 THE COURT: (To the jury) You know, we

 

11 are — I think we’re at a point where we’ll stop,

 

12 because we have to take up a motion with the

 

13 attorneys before the end of the day. So I’ll let

 

14 you go early. We’ll see you on Monday morning at

 

15 8:30.

 

16 If you haven’t seen the wildflower

 

17 displays — I went out yesterday. It’s really worth

 

18 seeing. Highway 58 out of — up by Lake Santa

 

19 Margarita. If you go out on that, it’s just carpets

 

20 and carpets of yellow and spotted with blue, and

 

21 it’s just a nice way to relax. I recommend it.

 

22 Thanks. I’ll see you — remember next

 

23 Wednesday we’re dark.

 

24 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Mr. Salas? You come this

 

25 way.

 

26 THE WITNESS: Oh. Somebody needs to guide

 

27 me.

 

28 4636

Jackson’s attorney Robert Sanger inquired about his motion to have a mistrial due to prosecutorial misconduct in their inability (or refusal) to have their witnesses conform to the court’s order to not discuss their testimony with other witnesses. (The motion for a mistrial can be read here.) Sanger gave examples of how prosecution witness Louise Palanker discussed her testimony with Jamie Masada, William Dickerman spoke about his testimony with Larry Feldman, and Larry Feldman spoke about his testimony with Dr. Katz.

Sanger stated to Judge Melville that if he didn’t want to grant a mistrial, he could also admonish to the jury to completely disregard the testimonies of those aforementioned witnesses. Sneddon argued that although the witnesses talked to each other, they did not discuss the case in detail. Judge Melville told them to put their arguments in writing and submit a pleading so that he could think it over and make a ruling on this later.

1 (The following proceedings were held in

 

2 open court outside the presence and hearing of the

 

3 jury:)

 

4

 

5 THE COURT: All right. Mr. Sanger, you had a

 

6 motion you wanted to make?

 

7 MR. SANGER: Yes, Your Honor. There’s

 

8 actually two things. But the first is a motion

 

9 regarding prosecutorial misconduct, and the issue is

 

10 the admonishment by the prosecutors to their

 

11 witnesses to conform to the courts orders. In

 

12 particular, in this case, we have several witnesses,

 

13 Louise Palanker, who discussed her testimony with

 

14 Jamie Masada, and perhaps vice versa, but at least

 

15 there’s clear evidence of that. We have Bill

 

16 Dickerman, who talked with Dr. Katz. We had Larry

 

17 Feldman, who talked with Mr. Dickerman and Dr. Katz.

 

18 And it is up to the parties who call the witnesses

 

19 to admonish them to conform to the courts orders.

 

20 The courts already admonished the

 

21 prosecution that they need to do that with regard to

 

22 the gag order and going outside and talking to the

 

23 press. That may have occurred, actually, since the

 

24 Court made that admonishment. But in particular, at

 

25 this point, I’m addressing the discussion of

 

26 testimony between witnesses who are witnesses called

 

27 by the prosecution.

 

28 The prosecutor has sufficient staff, 4637

 

1 including a witness coordinator, to take care of

 

2 this, sheriff’s personnel and the D.A.s themselves.

 

3 It seems to be a consistent problem, and as a result

 

4 of that, I believe it rises to the level of

 

5 prosecutorial misconduct. It could be conveniently

 

6 forgotten, but it just couldn’t be innocently

 

7 forgotten after all this time, and the repetition of

 

8 the — of the misconduct on the part of the

 

9 witnesses that we’ve heard.

 

10 So I’d ask the Court to fashion an

 

11 appropriate remedy. Remedy number one, of course,

 

12 in any misconduct situation, prosecutorial

 

13 misconduct situation, is a mistrial. And depending

 

14 on how the Court rules on that, I have a proposed

 

15 curative instruction. But the Court would have to

 

16 rule on the first remedy before we get to that, I

 

17 believe.

 

18 I can go ahead and give the Court a quick

 

19 idea, because I don’t want to spend unnecessary

 

20 time. If the Court denied the motion for mistrial,

 

21 I think a proper curative instruction is along the

 

22 lines of other instructions, that the Court can

 

23 advise the jury that witnesses called by a

 

24 particular party, in this case the prosecution, are

 

25 supposed to be admonished by the — by the lawyers

 

26 calling them to conform to the courts order.

 

27 And if the jury finds that they have not

 

28 conformed to the courts orders particularly in this 4638

 

1 case, not to discuss their testimony with other

 

2 witnesses, that the jury can draw an adverse

 

3 inference from that as to the credibility of the

 

4 witnesses, and as to the strength of their

 

5 testimony. And that the jury, if they find that to

 

6 be true, can disregard the entire testimony of the

 

7 witness, unless the review of all the facts in the

 

8 case supports the testimony of that witness.

 

9 And that would be the alternative, but I

 

10 propose that only in the event that the Court denied

 

11 the motion for mistrial.

12 THE COURT: Counsel?

 

13 MR. SNEDDON: Well, first of all, Your

 

14 Honor, I don’t think there’s any evidence that they

 

15 were discussing their trial testimony. The

 

16 discussion was they had conversations. There’s no

 

17 evidence at all that I can hear of that they talked

 

18 about — about their trial testimony. And even in

 

19 the case of Palanker, she didn’t discuss her trial

 

20 testimony. She discussed some observations about

 

21 the behavior of one of the lawyers in the courtroom.

 

22 And —

 

23 THE COURT: When did she do that?

 

24 MR. SNEDDON: I’m sorry?

 

25 THE COURT: When did she do that?

 

26 MR. SNEDDON: When Mr. Masada testified —

 

27 when counsel asked Mr. Masada, he was trying to get

 

28 him to say that she said something about the 4639

 

1 pathological liar thing, but she really didn’t. She

 

2 really said something else. She said — I don’t

 

3 want to describe it again, but I can if you want me

 

4 to, about counsel’s behavior, that he was —

 

5 THE COURT: Did she say that outside the

 

6 courtroom?

 

7 MR. SNEDDON: Yes, sir. It wasn’t —

 

8 THE COURT: I don’t — I haven’t watched

 

9 this —

 

10 MR. SNEDDON: No, no. Let me go back. I —

 

11 THE COURT: I’m missing something.

 

12 MR. SNEDDON: The whole thing — these ought

 

13 to be put in writing, if there’s a motion, and we

 

14 ought to be able to respond in writing. It would be

 

15 more efficient.

 

16 THE COURT: Let’s do this. I think that’s a

 

17 good way to do it. Why don’t you put something in

 

18 writing for Monday morning, and —

 

19 MR. SANGER: My free time on the weekend

 

20 while I’m looking at the flowers?

 

21 THE COURT: Yes. If you want — if you look

 

22 at the flowers, I’ll give you till Tuesday.

 

23 (Laughter.)

 

24 MR. SANGER: There’s an incentive. I’ll do

 

25 both and try to get it for you on Monday, Your

 

26 Honor.

 

27 THE COURT: And then you’ll have to respond

 

28 by Tuesday. 4640

 

1 THE COURT: All right. We’ll see you on

 

2 Monday.

 

3 (The proceedings adjourned at 2:30 p.m.)

To be continued: https://michaeljacksonvindication2.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/april-4th-2005-trial-analysis-jesus-salas-direct-cross-examination-jason-francia-direct-cross-examination-part-1-of-4/

 

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  1. November 28, 2012 6:13 pm

    Thank you for all your research to continue to bring the truth about the witch hunt against Michael Jackson. If the media had reported the truth instead of the lies, perhaps Michael would have not felt the need to leave his home and wander like a nomad with his children. Why Sneddon is not in prison is the question that comes to mind for there is the true criminal.

  2. November 12, 2012 2:22 pm

    Yes Nan the whole time they had these conflicting theories going on throughout the trial. They wanted people to think Michael was a spoiled rich person and on the other hand he was so broke he had to make the Arvizo’s participate in a rushed job rebuttal video to make him look good? Which one is it?
    Then not only that he was this mastermind conspirator but was drunk and on drugs the whole time. So much so that he could not control the urge to molest Gavin when the eyes of the world were on him? Which is it?
    To top it off he was supposed to have spent all this time and energy “grooming” Gavin from the moment they met, only to say that he then got tired of him before the molestation was even supposed to have occured? Again which one is it? Clearly they did not have their thinking caps on.

  3. November 11, 2012 10:46 pm

    Sometimes throughout the trial I got the impression that Judge Melville actually liked Bob Sanger better than he did Sneddon.

    • nannorris permalink
      November 11, 2012 11:39 pm

      Sneddon is a pretty hard guy to like .lol., and while Sanger has a sense of humor, Sneddon is too busy posturing for the jury and the media ,, putting on a show of this righteous district atty out to get the bad guy….Showboating… imo…He makes me sick…… I wonder if Melville usually tried cases up in the northern county,…I assume they had Sanger on the team because he was a local guy,MJ had used him before, so it would counteract the original impression of a Dream Team and Nation of Islam , separating MJ from his community , like Mesereau spoke about at the Harvard seminar., so they had Sanger participate to give a local flavor..I thought he did well, also….
      You know how Mesereau would speak about the differences between the northern county and the southern county where Sneddons main office was ..Northern people were more libertarian and blue collar , while it would seem the southern was more sophisticated or what ever…I have seen Zonen interviewed and asked what he would change , and I get the impression , that he might have wished they changed the venue…
      Notice how Auchincloss , imo , atleast is almost talking down to the jurors ..Like they are too stupid to know that all wealthy people, especially people in the public eye, have confidentiality agreements with their workers, …It doesnt make you a bad person if you have a staff to tell where to put flowers at your whim…..He likes the best effort put in…..That isnt criminal behavior..and asking if he is shy while telling his staff what he wants , like it is all an act for the outside world……They want the small town jury to resent his wealth…think he is temperamental ….
      I also think it plays in MJ favor that this man was in charge of the grounds before he even bought the place, had experience at his job..Obviously never saw anything like Ralph Chacon was saying or believed it or he never would have stayed on….He simply could have gotten a job at another ranch..And if at times MJ would expect him to stay til 3 AM,, while he was running the house, obviously nothing secretive was going on..

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