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April 4th, 2005 Trial Analysis: Jesus Salas (Direct & Cross Examination), Jason Francia (Direct & Cross Examination), Part 3 of 4

November 20, 2012

Here is more damaging testimony to the prosecution: Salas testified that Janet Arvizo told him that Dieter Weisner and Roland Konitzer were “separating” her from Jackson, which is antithetical to the prosecution’s claims that Janet was forced to stay at Neverland:

22 Q. Let me get back to Janet Arvizo.

 

23 Didn’t she complain one time that she felt

 

24 Frank and Vinnie were separating her from Michael

 

25 Jackson?

 

26 A. I don’t recall her telling me that, no.

 

27 Q. Did she complain that Dieter and Ronald were

 

28 separating her from Michael Jackson? 4741

 

1 A. Yes.

 

2 Q. She appeared not to like Dieter or Ronald at

 

3 all, right?

 

4 A. That is correct, yes.

 

5 Q. When Janet and the children would arrive on

 

6 the property, were they given assistance in

 

7 transporting their luggage to their rooms?

 

8 A. Absolutely.

 

9 Q. Who would help Janet transport her luggage

 

10 to her rooms?

 

11 A. Many times it was security, Neverland Valley

 

12 security, or myself.

 

13 Q. And would Janet pretty much tell you what to

 

14 carry from her car or however she got there?

 

15 A. No, not really.

 

16 Q. Who would assign the rooms to the Arvizos

 

17 when they visited and stayed at Neverland?

 

18 A. I did.

 

19 Q. And what would determine, for you, what room

 

20 to put them in?

 

21 A. It would depend. Many times we had some

 

22 other guests on the property. And if we have one

 

23 available, that was the only one that was going to

 

24 be for them. And many times I ask them, “Okay,

 

25 which room do you guys want to stay in?” So that’s

 

26 how I decided.

 

27 Q. Did anyone ever complain about the room that

 

28 they were placed in? 4742

 

1 A. No, not really.

 

2 Q. Did the kids ever complain?

 

3 A. No.

 

4 Q. The rooms they were placed in, as far as

 

5 you’re concerned, were all beautiful rooms, weren’t

 

6 they?

 

7 A. Yes, they are.

 

8 Q. They were cleaned every day, correct?

 

9 A. That is correct.

 

10 Q. And they had constant room service if they

 

11 wanted it, right?

 

12 A. That is correct. Yes.

 

13 Q. Mr. Jackson wanted them treated just as well

 

14 as any other guests, right?

 

15 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection; asked and

 

16 answered.

 

17 THE COURT: Sustained.

Next, Salas was questioned again about his cooperation with law enforcement and the prosecution during their investigation of the case, and it’s very telling that they did not ask him whether or not he ever served the Arvizo boys alcohol, as that was a central part of their case. If they were conducting an honest investigation, they would want to cover their bases and explore all possibilities, including the possibility that Star and Gavin were served alcohol by Neverland staff:

18 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: How many times, Mr. Salas,

 

19 has the prosecution contacted you to talk to you

 

20 about the case?

 

21 A. A couple times.

 

22 Q. And how many times did you meet with

 

23 representatives of the sheriff’s department?

 

24 A. A couple times.

 

25 Q. They never asked you if you ever brought

 

26 nonalcoholic beverages for the Arvizo children, did

 

27 they? They never asked you that question, did they?

 

28 A. No, they didn’t. 4743

In this excerpt, Salas was asked to elaborate more on his earlier statements that Jackson was frustrated with Frank Cascio. It’s easy to see why Jackson would be upset with Frank!

1 Q. Now, I think you said that Michael Jackson

 

2 appeared frustrated at what Frank was doing on the

 

3 property from time to time, right?

 

4 A. That is correct. Yes.

 

5 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection; misstates the

 

6 evidence.

 

7 MR. MESEREAU: I don’t think it does, Your

 

8 Honor.

 

9 THE COURT: Overruled. The answer was,

 

10 “Yes.” Next question.

 

11 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Michael Jackson was

 

12 frustrated that Frank was bringing guests to

 

13 Neverland without him knowing about it, right?

 

14 A. That is correct, yes.

 

15 Q. And how old was Frank at the time, do you

 

16 think?

 

17 A. I’m not sure how old was he. I will say he

 

18 was about, what, 35.

 

19 Q. Early twenties?

 

20 A. Somewhere around there, yes.

 

21 Q. To your knowledge, how was Frank able to

 

22 bring guests to the property without Michael Jackson

 

23 knowing about it?

 

24 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection; foundation.

 

25 THE COURT: Overruled.

 

26 You may answer.

 

27 THE WITNESS: It was his own decision.

 

28 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: But what would Frank do, 4744

 

1 if you know, to bring guests onto the property

 

2 without Michael Jackson knowing about it?

 

3 A. What he would do there?

 

4 Q. Yes.

 

5 A. Just have fun at Neverland.

 

6 Q. Oh, no, excuse me. I didn’t state it

 

7 properly. It’s my mistake.

 

8 If Frank wanted to bring guests onto the

 

9 property without Michael Jackson knowing about it,

 

10 what would he do?

 

11 A. He would just call security and tell — let

 

12 security know that he had some guests coming in, or

13 tell me.

 

14 Q. Would he typically tell them that Michael

 

15 wants them visiting?

 

16 A. No, he never said that.

 

17 Q. He just said he wanted them to visit, right?

 

18 A. That is correct.

 

19 Q. Okay. And he would bring a number of female

 

20 guests from time to time, correct?

 

21 A. Correct.

 

22 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection; relevance.

 

23 THE COURT: Overruled. The answer is,

 

24 “Correct.”

 

25 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: In fact, he tried to bring

 

26 a lot of girls onto the property, didn’t he?

 

27 A. That is correct.

 

28 Q. He used to brag to them that he was a friend 4745

 

1 to Michael Jackson, right?

 

2 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection. Hearsay;

 

3 relevance.

 

4 THE COURT: Sustained.

Here is his elaboration on his earlier testimony about Al Malnik and Jackson’s attorney Zia Modabber:

5 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Now, you mentioned someone

 

6 named Malnik visited the property one time, right?

 

7 A. Right.

 

8 Q. Did you speak to him?

 

9 A. Not in a conversation, no, I didn’t.

 

10 Q. You just saw him?

 

11 A. Just saw him, say hi. And that was it.

 

12 Q. The prosecutor mentioned someone named Zia,

 

13 right?

 

14 A. That’s correct. That is correct.

 

15 Q. Did you see Zia on the property?

 

16 A. Yes, I did.

 

17 Q. Did you talk to him?

 

18 A. Just for a short time. Not —

 

19 Q. And Zia was, to your knowledge, Mr.

 

20 Jackson’s attorney, right?

 

21 A. Yes.

 

22 Q. Did you see him there often?

 

23 A. No, I only saw him there a couple times.

 

24 Q. And what did you see him doing?

 

25 A. Just had a meeting with Mr. Jackson.

Here is more elaboration on Dieter Weisner and Ronald Konitzer , and Jackson’s life at Neverland. Salas’s testimony here was elicited by Mesereau to rebut the notion that Jackson ruled Neverland with an iron fist:

26 Q. Okay. You would see all kinds of people

 

27 visit from time to time to meet with Mr. Jackson,

 

28 right? 4746

 

1 A. Yes.

 

2 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection; vague.

 

3 MR. MESEREAU: I’ll rephrase.

 

4 Q. The prosecutor has limited his questions to

 

5 you to Dieter, Ronald, Frank. Mr. Jackson didn’t

 

6 spend all of his time meeting with these people, did

 

7 he?

 

8 A. Not all the time, no.

 

9 Q. Mr. Jackson from time to time would have

 

10 numerous visitors to Neverland to see him, correct?

 

11 A. That is correct.

 

12 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection; vague as to

 

13 time.

 

14 THE COURT: Overruled.

 

15 You may answer.

 

16 THE WITNESS: That is correct.

 

17 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: You would often see a full

 

18 schedule of people visiting Neverland to see Mr.

 

19 Jackson, right?

 

20 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection; foundation.

 

21 THE COURT: Overruled.

 

22 You may answer.

 

23 THE WITNESS: That is correct.

 

24 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Do you recall Mr. Jackson

 

25 doing work in his studio at Neverland?

 

26 A. Yes.

 

27 Q. And what do you recall seeing him doing?

 

28 A. Doing some recording. Dancing. Practicing. 4747

 

1 Yes.

 

2 Q. Did you watch him practice dance?

 

3 A. No, I didn’t.

 

4 Q. And how did you know he was practicing

 

5 dance? Would he tell you?

 

6 A. Right.

 

7 Q. And would he tell you not to let anyone in,

 

8 that he’s doing his creative work?

 

9 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection; hearsay.

 

10 THE COURT: Overruled.

 

11 You may answer.

 

12 THE WITNESS: Because of his work, yes, he

 

13 did not want to be bothered, yes.

 

14 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Did you also see him

 

15 teaching kids how to dance from time to time?

 

16 A. I never saw that.

 

17 Q. Okay. How about in his recording studio,

 

18 would he bring kids and adults into his recording

 

19 studio to see it?

 

20 A. Yes, he did.

 

21 Q. And didn’t he used to show them how he does

 

22 his work in his recording studio?

 

23 A. Yes.

 

24 Q. And sometimes he wanted to just be left

 

25 alone in there, right?

 

26 A. That is correct. Yes.

 

27 Q. And when he wanted to be left alone, he’d

 

28 spend hours and hours in there, right? 4748

 

1 A. That’s correct, yes.

 

2 Q. Okay. Now, you would see Mr. Jackson awake

3 on his property at all different hours, right?

 

4 A. Yes.

 

5 Q. Sometimes he gets up at 3:00 in the morning,

 

6 doesn’t he?

 

7 A. That is correct, yes.

 

8 Q. And he will take walks alone on his

 

9 property, right?

 

10 A. That’s right.

 

11 Q. That’s how he does a lot of his composing,

 

12 right?

 

13 A. That is correct.

 

14 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection; foundation.

 

15 THE COURT: Sustained.

 

16 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: You’d also see Mr. Jackson

 

17 from time to time driving alone on his property,

 

18 right?

 

19 A. That is correct, yes.

 

20 Q. Would you know in advance if Mr. Jackson was

 

21 going to leave the property to go somewhere?

 

22 A. Yes.

 

23 Q. And who would you — who would tell you that

 

24 Mr. Jackson was leaving the property?

 

25 A. Sometimes I found out about — by his

 

26 bodyguard.

 

27 Q. Okay. And what are some of the other ways

 

28 that you would find out Mr. Jackson might be either 4749

 

1 leaving the property or going out of town?

 

2 A. By Mr. Jackson.

 

3 Q. Okay. Did you speak to Mr. Jackson every

 

4 day when he was there?

 

5 A. Pretty much, yes.

 

6 Q. When he wasn’t there, who would you speak

 

7 to?

 

8 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection. Ambiguous;

 

9 relevance.

 

10 THE COURT: Overruled.

 

11 THE WITNESS: When he wasn’t there, well,

 

12 nobody is — the ranch manager.

 

13 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Let me ask you this: When

 

14 Mr. Jackson’s out of town, which you saw him do

 

15 quite often during your 20 years there, right?

 

16 A. Right.

 

17 Q. You saw him go on music tours, right?

 

18 A. That is correct.

 

19 Q. And you saw him travel to various cities in

 

20 America, right?

 

21 A. Yes.

 

22 Q. And he would travel to various cities around

 

23 the world, right?

 

24 A. Yes.

 

25 Q. When he’s not there, does the place pretty

 

26 much run the way it runs when he’s there?

 

27 A. It runs the same way.

 

28 Q. And that’s because there are various 4750

 

1 procedures in effect to make sure it runs properly,

 

2 correct?

 

3 A. That is correct, yes.

 

4 Q. When Mr. Jackson’s there, he’s not walking

 

5 around the property just running everything, is he?

 

6 A. No, no.

 

7 Q. In fact, very often when he’s there, you

 

8 hardly see him, right?

 

9 A. That is correct, yes.

 

10 Q. Because Mr. Jackson is doing his creative

 

11 work for hours and hours on end, right?

 

12 A. Correct.

 

13 Q. So how does the place sort of run when he’s

 

14 not there? I mean, if you can explain it.

 

15 A. Because of the people in charge of running

 

16 the place, so we’ll — the place always running the

 

17 same, so — whether he’s there or not.

 

18 Q. And even if he’s there, you have to report

 

19 to other individuals to get information, don’t you?

 

20 A. That is correct, yes.

 

21 Q. Okay. So when the prosecutor asked you

 

22 about your reporting directly to Michael Jackson,

 

23 you didn’t mean you’re talking to him all day about

 

24 what’s going on?

 

25 A. No.

 

26 Q. And if you report to him on a given day, it

 

27 might be just one time, right?

 

28 A. That is correct, yes. 4751

Here are more questions about Frank Cascio:

1 Q. Okay. In response to the prosecutor’s

 

2 questions, you mentioned some things about Frank

 

3 saying he’ll take care of things, correct?

 

4 A. Correct, yes.

 

5 Q. But Frank also used to brag about how close

 

6 he was to Michael Jackson, didn’t he?

 

7 A. Right.

 

8 Q. You didn’t get the impression he was always

 

9 telling the truth, did you?

 

10 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection; calls for a

 

11 conclusion.

 

12 THE COURT: Sustained.

 

13 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: You said, in response to

 

14 the prosecutor’s questions, that on occasion you

 

15 would see Frank and Michael Jackson together, right?

 

16 A. Right.

 

17 Q. But you also often saw Frank not around Mr.

 

18 Jackson, correct?

 

19 A. Oh, yes.

 

20 Q. And you often saw Mr. Jackson without Frank,

 

21 right?

 

22 A. That is correct, yes.

 

23 Q. And you didn’t really know what work Frank

 

24 was doing, correct?

 

25 A. That is correct, yes.

 

26 Q. But from time to time, he would try and brag

 

27 that he was in the music business, right?

 

28 A. Correct. 4752

 

1 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection; hearsay.

 

2 THE COURT: Sustained.

Here are more questions about security procedures:

3 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: I want to ask you a little

 

4 more about security at Neverland, okay? It’s about

 

5 2800 acres of property, right?

 

6 A. Uh-huh.

 

7 Q. Very spread out over hills, right?

 

8 A. Yes.

 

9 Q. And it’s surrounded by these fences that you

 

10 said anybody could come in, right?

 

11 A. That is correct, yes.

 

12 Q. You have a front gate that you have to stop

 

13 at if you’re driving in, right?

 

14 A. Correct.

 

15 Q. And you have to push a button and identify

 

16 who you are, right?

 

17 A. That is correct, yes.

 

18 Q. And people at that security gate typically

 

19 have a list of who’s supposed to be allowed in,

 

20 right?

 

21 A. Right.

 

22 Q. And I think what you said is that Frank

 

23 would often call the people at that gate and say,

 

24 “Let so and so in,” right?

 

25 A. That is correct, yes.

 

26 Q. Okay. Now, you did indicate there had been

 

27 efforts by people to drive and get onto the property

 

28 and find Mr. Jackson, right? 4753

1 A. Right.

 

2 Q. And you have some security guards who patrol

 

3 the property a bit, right?

 

4 A. Correct.

 

5 Q. And they don’t have weapons, right?

 

6 A. Not to my knowledge.

 

7 Q. Because Michael Jackson doesn’t want weapons

 

8 on his property, right?

 

9 A. Correct.

 

10 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection. Foundation;

 

11 hearsay.

 

12 THE COURT: Sustained.

 

13 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Do you know whether or not

 

14 Mr. Jackson has a policy that he doesn’t want

 

15 weapons on his property?

 

16 A. Yes, I do.

 

17 Q. And he’s typically very concerned about his

 

18 children’s safety, correct?

 

19 A. That is correct.

Mesereau moved on to the time period of February and March 2003, and questioned Salas about Jackson’s whereabouts during the time that the Arvizo family was at the ranch; this was an obvious response to Salas’ earlier assertion that Jackson was at Neverland “pretty much all the time”. Salas admitted that Jackson wasn’t there every day, and when he was there he was often preoccupied with other activities:

6 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Let’s take the year 2003.

 

7 There were periods of time you wouldn’t even see

 

8 Frank on the property, right?

 

9 A. There was some times, yes.

 

10 Q. And there are times you would also see him,

 

11 correct?

 

12 A. Correct. Yes.

 

13 Q. There were times you would see Dieter on the

 

14 property, right?

 

15 A. Correct.

 

16 Q. And there were times you wouldn’t see him at

 

17 all, right?

 

18 A. Correct. Yes.

 

19 Q. There were times you’d see Ron on the

 

20 property, correct?

 

21 A. That is correct. Yes.

 

22 Q. And there were times you wouldn’t see him at

 

23 all?

 

24 A. Right.

 

25 Q. And during this period of time, you had your

 

26 constant visitors on a daily basis to the property,

 

27 correct?

 

28 A. Yes. 4755

 

1 Q. You had many other people who had scheduled

 

2 meetings with Michael Jackson, right?

 

3 A. Right. Yes.

 

4 Q. And you also had your periodic tours of

 

5 children and adults to Neverland, right?

 

6 A. That is correct, yes.

 

7 Q. You indicated that you think that Mr.

 

8 Jackson was at Neverland when the Arvizos visited in

 

9 2003, right?

 

10 A. Right.

 

11 Q. You’re not sure that he was there every day,

 

12 though, are you?

 

13 A. That is right, yes.

 

14 Q. If there were days he wasn’t there when the

 

15 Arvizos were there in 2003, you’re just not sure,

 

16 correct?

 

17 That’s a bad question. Let me — I don’t

 

18 think I could answer that one.

 

19 In 2003 when the Arvizos were at Neverland,

 

20 sometimes Michael Jackson was there and sometimes he

 

21 wasn’t, right?

 

22 A. That is correct. There was days that he was

 

23 not there, yes.

 

24 Q. There were times he was out of town, right?

 

25 A. Right.

 

26 Q. There were times he was gone from the

 

27 premises during the day, right?

 

28 A. That is correct, yes. 4756

 

1 Q. There were times he was in his studio,

 

2 right?

 

3 A. That is correct, yes.

 

4 Q. There were times he was doing his dance

 

5 routines, correct?

 

6 A. Correct.

 

7 Q. There were times he was taking children

 

8 around Neverland on a tour, right?

 

9 A. Correct, yes.

 

10 Q. And there would be constant meetings of one

 

11 form or another involving Michael Jackson with other

 

12 people, correct?

 

13 A. That is correct, yes.

Here are more questions about Jackson’s interactions with children, and the role he played in inviting underprivileged children to Neverland:

14 Q. Okay. The prosecutor asked you about

 

15 Michael Jackson playing with kids. Michael Jackson

 

16 plays with kids all the time at Neverland, doesn’t

 

17 he?

 

18 A. Yes, he does.

 

19 Q. He often acts like a kid himself, doesn’t

 

20 he?

 

21 A. Yes.

 

22 Q. And he takes pride particularly in bringing

 

23 inner city kids to Neverland to have fun, doesn’t

 

24 he?

 

25 A. Correct. Yes.

 

26 Q. We’re talking about kids from poverty, kids

 

27 from broken homes, right?

 

28 A. That is correct, yes. 4757

 

1 Q. He sometimes personally arranges those

 

2 visits himself, doesn’t he?

 

3 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection; foundation.

 

4 THE COURT: Sustained.

 

5 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Do you know whether or not

 

6 Michael Jackson sometimes personally arranges visits

 

7 by kids to Neverland?

 

8 A. Yes.

 

9 Q. And typically when these busloads of kids

 

10 get to Neverland, they all want to see Michael

 

11 Jackson, right?

 

12 A. Correct.

 

13 Q. And sometimes you schedule all these kids

 

14 and these adults to be at a certain location to wait

 

15 for Michael to come out and see them, right?

 

16 A. That is correct.

 

17 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: I’ll object as cumulative.

 

18 THE COURT: Overruled.

 

19 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Isn’t that true?

 

20 A. That is correct, yes.

 

21 Q. And he would call you and arrange to have

 

22 toys available for all these kids when they would

 

23 visit, right?

 

24 A. Correct.

 

25 Q. And you would typically have all the kids

 

26 assemble on the property, and staff would start

 

27 distributing toys to them, right?

 

28 A. That is correct, yes. 4758

 

1 Q. And very often in the middle of the toy

 

2 distribution, Michael comes out to see the kids,

 

3 right?

 

4 A. On some occasion, yes.

 

5 Q. And you’ll see them running to Michael.

 

6 They want to see him; they want to touch him, right?

 

7 A. Correct.

 

8 Q. The adults will do the same, correct?

 

9 A. Correct, yes.

 

10 Q. Now, the prosecutor asked you what these

11 children do at Neverland, and you talked about bike

 

12 riding.

 

13 A. Yes.

 

14 Q. What did you mean by bike riding?

 

15 A. He’s got so many toys, they can just take

 

16 off on the quad-runners, scooters. That’s what I

 

17 meant.

 

18 Q. And you never got the impression Michael

 

19 Jackson was supervising the bike riding, did you?

 

20 A. No.

 

21 Q. People on the property who worked for Mr.

 

22 Jackson take care of that, don’t they?

 

23 A. Especially security, yes.

 

24 Q. And also you expect the parents or the

 

25 adults in charge to have some responsibility, right?

 

26 A. Yes.

 

27 Q. You talked about quads, okay. And what did

 

28 you mean by that? 4759

 

1 A. They have those four-wheelers that they can

 

2 go off, off the road. That’s —

 

3 Q. And they typically ride on the roads at

 

4 Neverland, right?

 

5 A. Yes.

 

6 Q. And who supervises that, typically?

 

7 A. Oh, themself. Themselves or security.

 

8 Q. You have never thought Michael Jackson was

 

9 walking around supervising who got into those

 

10 vehicles, did you?

 

11 A. No, no.

 

12 Q. He doesn’t seem to supervise any of that,

 

13 does he?

 

14 A. No, he doesn’t.

 

15 Q. Okay. He assumes staff on the premises

 

16 will, right?

 

17 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection. Objection. No

 

18 foundation, as to what Mr. Jackson assumes. Calls

 

19 for speculation.

 

20 THE COURT: Sustained.

 

21 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: You told the prosecutor

 

22 that sometimes Michael Jackson would play with kids

 

23 on a daily basis, right?

 

24 A. That is correct, yes.

 

25 Q. And you would see him playing with kids all

 

26 over the premises, right?

 

27 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection; asked and

 

28 answered. 4760

 

1 THE COURT: Sustained.

 

2 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Did you see Michael

 

3 Jackson take these kids to the petting zoo?

 

4 A. Yes.

 

5 Q. Did you see him take them to the bigger zoo?

 

6 A. Yes.

 

7 Q. Did you see him take them to the arcade?

 

8 A. Yes.

 

9 Q. Did you see him take them to the theater?

 

10 A. Yes.

 

11 Q. How about ride with them on the train?

 

12 A. Correct.

 

13 Q. Okay. This went on all the time, didn’t it?

 

14 A. That is correct, yes.

In this excerpt, Mesereau questioned Salas about his statements of seeing Jackson intoxicated around children, despite the fact that he never saw Jackson actually drinking. Salas conceded that the symptoms he noticed could have been caused by Jackson’s prescription drugs, which he was taking to deal with his scalp and back injuries, as well as his lupus ailments:

15 Q. Now, the prosecutor asked you questions

 

16 about Mr. Jackson appearing intoxicated, okay?

 

17 A. Right.

 

18 Q. Now, you never saw him drinking, right?

 

19 A. No, I didn’t.

 

20 Q. And were you aware that there were times

 

21 when he had a prescription drug problem?

 

22 A. Yes, I — yes, I was.

 

23 Q. And he had gotten a lot of injections from

 

24 various physicians?

 

25 A. That is correct, yes.

 

26 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection; foundation.

 

27 THE COURT: Sustained.

 

28 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Did you know Michael 4761

 

1 Jackson had — excuse me, let me rephrase. Did you

 

2 know whether or not Mr. Jackson at various times had

 

3 a prescription drug problem?

 

4 A. Yes, I did.

 

5 Q. And did you know he was treated for that?

 

6 A. Yes.

 

7 Q. When you saw him appearing intoxicated, you

 

8 don’t know what the cause was, correct?

 

9 A. That is correct, yes.

 

10 Q. You knew he had suffered severe burns on his

 

11 body, didn’t you?

 

12 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection. Foundation;

 

13 relevance.

 

14 THE COURT: Foundation; sustained.

 

15 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Did you know whether or

 

16 not, during one entertainment event, Mr. Jackson

 

17 suffered severe burns all over his body?

 

18 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Ob — I’ll —

 

19 THE WITNESS: Yes.

 

20 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Did you know he was being

 

21 treated for that?

 

22 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection; vague as to

 

23 time.

 

24 THE COURT: Sustained.

 

25 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Did you know whether or

 

26 not Mr. Jackson was being treated by physicians with

 

27 medication because he’d been badly burned?

 

28 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection; vague as to 4762

 

1 time.

 

2 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: At any time?

 

3 A. Yes.

 

4 Q. That was common knowledge at Neverland, was

 

5 it not?

 

6 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: I’ll object and move to

 

7 strike the last answer. Still vague as to time.

 

8 THE COURT: Stricken.

 

9 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: During the year 2002, were

 

10 you aware — excuse me. During the year 2002, do

 

11 you know whether or not Michael Jackson was being

 

12 treated by various physicians for health problems?

 

13 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection. Vague as to

 

14 “health problems.”

 

15 THE COURT: Overruled.

 

16 You may answer.

 

17 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: I’ll object as to

 

18 foundation.

 

19 THE COURT: The answer — the question calls

 

20 for a “yes” or “no” answer. You may answer.

 

21 THE WITNESS: Yes.

 

22 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: And during the year 2002,

 

23 were you aware that Mr. Jackson —

 

24 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection to the form of

 

25 the question. “Were you aware” assumes facts.

 

26 THE COURT: You have to let him finish the

 

27 question.

 

28 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: During the year 2002, were 4763

 

1 you aware — excuse me. During the year 2002, did

 

2 you know whether or not Mr. Jackson was taking

 

3 medications for a broken leg?

 

4 A. Yes.

 

5 Q. During the year 2002, did you know whether

 

6 or not Mr. Jackson was taking medications for a foot

7 problem?

 

8 A. Yes.

 

9 Q. And during the year 2002, did you know

 

10 whether or not Mr. Jackson had recurring problems

 

11 because he had been badly burned?

 

12 A. Yes.

 

13 Q. During the year 2002, did you know whether

 

14 or not Mr. Jackson had back problems?

 

15 A. Yes.

 

16 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: I’m going to object as to

 

17 foundation.

 

18 THE COURT: Sustained.

 

19 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: During the year 2003, did

 

20 you know whether or not Mr. Jackson was taking

 

21 prescription drugs for a leg problem?

 

22 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection; foundation.

 

23 THE COURT: Sustained.

 

24 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Do you know whether or not

 

25 Mr. Jackson took prescription drugs in the year 2003

 

26 while you were working there?

 

27 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection; foundation.

 

28 THE COURT: Overruled. 4764

 

1 THE WITNESS: Yes.

Salas was then questioned about the children who spent time in Jackson’s bedroom, and the alarm system outside of his bedroom:

2 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Do you recall seeing Mr.

 

3 Jackson’s children in his bedroom?

 

4 A. Yes.

 

5 Q. They would be in there a lot during the time

 

6 you worked there, right?

 

7 A. That is correct, yes.

 

8 Q. You would see his children at the lower

 

9 level, right?

 

10 A. Correct.

 

11 Q. You would see them in his bedroom upstairs,

 

12 right?

 

13 A. Correct, yes.

 

14 Q. Did you typically spend much time with Mr.

 

15 Jackson’s children?

 

16 A. I would say I didn’t spend too much time

 

17 with them because — but saw them, I mean, every day

 

18 there, yes.

 

19 Q. Every day?

 

20 A. Yes.

 

21 Q. And you would mainly see them in the main

 

22 house?

 

23 A. Yes.

 

24 Q. Would you see them on the property also?

 

25 A. Yes.

 

26 Q. But you saw them in his room quite often,

 

27 didn’t you?

 

28 A. Yes. 4765

 

1 Q. Do you know anything about an alarm system

 

2 that one has to use to get into Mr. Jackson’s

 

3 bedroom?

 

4 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Objection; vague as to

 

5 “one has to use” an alarm system.

 

6 THE COURT: Overruled.

 

7 You may answer.

 

8 THE WITNESS: Yes.

 

9 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: And have you set off that

 

10 alarm from time to time?

 

11 A. No, not really.

 

12 Q. Have you heard the alarm go off?

 

13 A. No.

 

14 Q. Okay. Do you know much about that alarm

 

15 system?

 

16 A. I know about it, but I — you know, not —

 

17 didn’t get involved in that too much.

 

18 Q. It’s not something that you would typically

 

19 handle?

 

20 A. No.

 

21 Q. Okay. Okay. Have you seen Mr. Jackson

 

22 entertain adults at his home in the evening?

 

23 A. Oh, yes.

 

24 Q. He does that quite often, doesn’t he?

 

25 A. That is correct, yes.

 

26 Q. And when he does that, you often see adults

 

27 drinking alcohol, don’t you?

 

28 A. Right. 4766

 

1 Q. You see staff serving them alcohol, right?

 

2 A. That’s correct.

 

3 Q. And they’re free to go into the kitchen area

 

4 and grab alcohol if they want to, typically, right?

 

5 A. That is correct, yes.

 

6 Q. You’ve also seen them served alcohol in his

 

7 bedroom, correct?

 

8 A. Correct.

 

9 Q. You’ve seen adults sitting in the lower

 

10 level of his bedroom drinking, right?

 

11 A. That is correct, yes.

 

12 Q. And typically there would be an order placed

 

13 by someone, and staff will bring alcohol into his

 

14 bedroom for that purpose, right?

 

15 A. Right.

To be continued: https://michaeljacksonvindication2.wordpress.com/2012/11/25/april-4th-2005-trial-analysis-jesus-salas-direct-cross-examination-jason-francia-direct-cross-examination-part-4-of-4/

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  1. nannorris permalink
    November 20, 2012 10:12 pm

    Once again , the questions the prosecutors ask, and the one they chose NOT to ask are very telling..They had to have known these kids were lying or they would have asked if the staff served alcohol to the minors , or what did they serve them? soda..thye didnt want to hear that answer.
    In hindsight , Grank mentions that he used to have parties at Neverland and that he had his own key to the wine cellar etc.
    I think Kiki Fornier mentioned that as well …
    No surprise then , that he was inviting his friends to come party with him at Neverland and inviting girls to see MJ famous home..I bet he showed MJ private quarters also , so to me , there was lots of parties in MJ quarters , when he wasnt there.
    I wonder if it dawned on the prosecutors that Frank was bring girls to MJ house to impress them ,and yet , wasnt he supposedly one of the people they were pressuring Jason Francia about in his police interview..That he was traveling with some kids that were in danger besides Mac?
    So there was supposed to be all this illicit stuff going on,with MJ , and this guy is using the place to impress girls?
    Wouldnt that be another example of being straight

    • November 21, 2012 10:03 pm

      Wade Robson also brought his girlfriends to Neverland a few times.

      Seems odd to want to bring your female romantic partners to a place where you’ve been molested, but I’m sure there’s some reasonable explanation for it besides the obvious.

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