April 11th, 2005 Trial Analysis: Bob Jones, Stacy Brown, June Chandler, and Dwayne Swingler, Part 1 of 4

The first prosecution witnesses to testify on this day were Bob Jones and Stacy Brown. Their summaries can be found in the following three-part series: Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3.

The next prosecution witness was June Chandler, the mother of the 1993 accuser Jordan Chandler. Here’s Sneddon’s summary of her and Jordan’s relationship with Jackson, and the topics that she will testify about, from the December 2004 pleading titled “PLAINTIFF’S MOTION FOR ADMISSION OF EVIDENCE OF DEFENDANT’S PRIOR SEXUAL OFFENSES”:

June Chandler is the mother of Jordan Chandler. Jordan’s father is named Evan Chandler. At the time that her son, Jordan Chandler, met Michael Jackson, she had divorced Evan and had married but was separated from David Schwartz. David Schwartz runs a rental car agency called Rent-A-Wreck. Evan Chandler had remarried and his then wife was Natalie Chandler.

Michael Jackson first met Jordan and June Chandler in 1992 when his limousine broke down in Malibu. Mr. Schwartz’s business was nearby and he provided Jackson with a car. Jordan was present and exchanged telephone numbers with Jackson. Between two to four weeks later, in either August or September of 1992, Jackson called Jordan at Mrs. Chandler’s Lorenzo Street home in Santa Monica, California. Mrs. Chandler remembers the first conversation as being fairly short and involving some discussions about video games. After a series of telephone conversations, Michael Jackson and Jordan Chandler began to develop a friendship that resulted in Jackson inviting Jordan and Mrs. Chandler to visit him at Neverland Valley Ranch. The first visit occurred around February 12, 1993. It lasted two days. During the second day, Jackson took Jordan and his sister Lily to a Toys-R-Us store. The visit occurred after hours when the store was closed. The children were allowed to pick out anything they wanted and Jackson paid for it. On Sunday afternoon around 1:00pm, they left Neverland Ranch.

Two days later Jackson called again. They were invited to return to the ranch on Friday, February 19^th, 1993. They were picked up in a limousine and spent the weekend at the ranch. When they were picked up in the limo for the trip to the ranch on Friday the 19^th. Also in the limo were Brett Barnes and a friend of his, and Jackson and Jordan Chandler. They spent the weekend at the ranch. On Sunday, when they were returning in the limo to Los Angeles, instead of going to their Santa Monica home, they went to Disneyland. Brett Barnes did not accompany them.

June and Jordan Chandler again visited the ranch in March. On several occasions Jordan asked his mother if he could sleep in Michael Jackson’s bedroom. Mrs. Chandler steadfastly said no. She described Jordan as being very pushy about this on a number of occasions. Jordan did, however, play up in Jackson’s room until 2:00am before returning to his guest room.

Between March 28 and April 1, 1993 Jordan, Lily, and Mrs. Chandler were invited to join Michael Jackson in Las Vegas. On either the first or second night in Las Vegas, Jordan and Michael Jackson were going to a performance of Cirque du Soleil. The performance was to begin at 11:00pm. Shortly after 11:00pm Mrs. Chandler received a call from the president of Cirque Du Soleil saying that they had two seats waiting for Michael Jackson and that he had not arrived. He called back five minutes later stating they had still not arrived.

 

About that time there was a knock on the door, Mrs. Chandler opened the door and observed Michael Jackson shaking and crying. Jordan walked in very quietly. She asked, “What happened?” Michael Jackson responded, “I have to talk to you.” Fearful someone was injured, she asked what happened. Jackson responded, “June, is our relationship based on trust and love?” When she responded “yes” he said, “Why don’t you trust me?” Jackson told Mrs. Chandler he believed that she did not trust him because she would not allow Jordan to spend the night in his bedroom. Jackson said, “Don’t you see at Neverland that the kids stay in my bedroom, that everything’s fine, that all we do is play and we crash and that’s it and that’s where we sleep?” He chided her for putting restrictions on Jordan ad not allowing Jordan to sleep with him. He said these restrictions were an indication that she did not love him; did not trust him; and did not treat him like family. Jackson reiterated that Mrs. Chandler was putting restrictions on Michael’s relationship with Jordan. He emphasized in a family there is trust, love, and honesty and no barriers. Jackson continued by saying everybody should be able to sleep where everybody wants and Jordan can do what he wants and suggested they do it that way.

Mrs. Chandler responded that she had two husbands whom she couldn’t trust; she didn’t know where Jackson was coming from and she couldn’t let her trust down. Jackson responded, “June, you’ve got to trust, you’ve got to trust and believe me and it’s all going to work out. It’s all wonderful. It’s a wonderful relationship.” Jackson emphasized that she should not treat him like a stranger. He said he felt like others were using him and questioned whether she would do this to a family member. When she responded “No,” he said, “Well, I am like family” and “You cannot make it where I can’t sleep with Jordan”.

Mrs. Chandler relented and allowed Jordan to sleep with Jackson under the condition that he was free to leave whenever he wanted. That’s how Jordan sleeping in Michael Jackson’s bedroom began. After concession, Jackson reiterated that it’s all about “trust, love, and honesty”. Mrs. Chandler described how they all got very emotional. She asked Jackson to “Promise you’re not going to break this bond.” Jackson responded, “It’s about love, it’s not about what people think.” For the remainder of the time in Las Vegas, Jordan spent every night in the same room with Michael Jackson.

During the Las Vegas trip (Mrs. Chandler thinks a day or two after their arrival), Jackson gave her a very expensive Cartier bracelet that she had admired several days before in a store. Michael often gave gifts, and she regarded it as an endearing characteristic.

After Las Vegas, Jackson would spend a great deal of time at June Chandler’s residence with Jordan. He would often spend the night and sleep in Jordan’s bed. During this time, Mrs. Chandler could see that Michael Jackson and Jordan developed a very close relationship, to the point that they would spend every waking moment together.

Subsequently Jordan would spend all of his time with Michael when they visited the ranch. He would spend the time in the main house or doing things at the ranch with Michael. She became increasingly isolated from her son and saw very little of him.

On April 22, 1993 they went for a two-day trip to Florida and visited Disney World. At Disney World, Jordan continued to spend his nights in Jackson’s bedroom. Then on May 8^th, they traveled to France and visited Monte Carlo, Monaco, and Euro Disney. The trip took about a week and Jordan Chandler was sleeping in Michael Jackson’s bedroom and in Michael Jackson’s bed during the entire trip. The Monaco portion of the trip included several shopping sprees with Michael Jackson.

Mrs. Chandler described Michael’s relationship with Jordan at this point as so tight that she felt she was losing her son. She stated Michael and Jordan would go off together and she would never see them. She was starting to feel very sad about the situation, but didn’t know what to do about it. On Father’s Day of that year, Jordan even refused to call his father because he was so involved with Michael Jackson. Mrs. Chandler indicated that before meeting Michael Jackson, Jordan would make sure to call his dad once a day, but during the time he was with Michael Jackson, he did not.

On one occasion, June Chandler met Joy Robson at the ranch. Joy Robson was known to Mrs. Chandler as the mother of Wade Robson. They were from Australia, and Wade had been a companion of Jackson’s prior to the Chandler’s association with Michael Jackson. Jordan and Michael decided they wanted to go to Neverland Ranch and Joy was already there. Before they left for the ranch, Michael said to June Chandler, “June, oh by the way, Joy is going to be there. She’s a little nosey, so be careful what you say. She is jealous of the situation.”

When June Chandler arrived at the ranch, she did indeed meet Joy Robson. Robson said to her, “You know, this is a very similar pattern that Michael does. He endears himself to the family. If he likes the little boy, he gets family to adore him.” She warned that Jordan would get dumped just like her son Wade.

Joy Robson continued by telling Mrs. Chandler hat she was in the United States to get a record contract for her son and that she wanted Michael Jackson to sign Wade to a record contract with his company.

Mrs. Chandler will also describe a second trip to New York that started on June 21, 1993, shortly after school finals. She and Jordan were going to New York because her brother was getting married. Michael Jackson decided to accompany them and had all of the hotel arrangements made by his secretary. They stayed at the Righa Royal Hotel. Jordan, Lily, and Mrs. Chandler left on Thursday and Michael did not arrive until Monday evening around 11:00-12:00 pm. Prior to Mr. Jackson’s arrival, Jordan, Lily, and Mrs. Chandler had been staying in a two-bedroom suite. Jackson rented a huge suite at the end of the hall and Jordan moved all of his belongings in and stayed with Jackson on the evening that he arrived.

On Sunday evening before Jackson’s arrival, Mrs. Chandler and her two brothers had gone to dinner. She thought this was a good opportunity to talk to Jordan because Michael was not there. She stated that she had had a very difficult time breaking Jordan away from Michael and that even though Michael wasn’t there that they would spend hours talking on the phone, sometimes until 2:00 in the morning. Mrs. Chandler spoke to Jordan about spending time with his New York cousins and complained about the fact that Michael was occupying all of Jordan’s time. She pointed out that these relatives would be with him for the rest of his life, while his relationship with Michael Jackson may not last long.

On Monday evening, Mrs. Chandler went out to dinner but without Jordan and Lily. When she returned to her room, Lily was asleep in the bedroom. Neither Jordan nor Jackson were there. Jordan was supposed to be babysitting Lily. Mrs. Chandler was frightened. She knocked on the door to Jackson’s rom, which was across the hallway. Jackson and Jordan were together. Both said that they had been watching Lily and moving between the two rooms. Michael Jackson then said the wanted to talk to Mrs. Chandler. Jackson began by saying that Jordan was upset and had told him (Jackson) about the conversation Mrs. Chandler had with Jordan the day before, about spending some time with his cousins and her concerns about the overwhelming nature of his relationship with Michael. Mrs. Chandler told Jackson that she had a perfect right to talk to her son about her concern that Jackson was pulling him away from his family, and that Jackson had become his whole world. She expressed her concern that Jordan was becoming selfish and just thinking about himself and not about his family and his sister and others who are important to him. Jackson responded by telling June that in his experience kids go through this. When they go to Neverland they leave their parents. They leave whoever they’re with and are just with him.

Mrs. Chandler accused Jackson of being a magnet, like a Peter Pan who everybody wants be around 24 hours a day. Jackson simply agreed, but said the excessiveness will die down.

Mrs. Chandler then returned to her room and noticed that two of the lps had been broken. She subsequently learned from her daughter Lily that Michael had become mad when he learned of Mrs. Chandler’s concern about the excessive nature of Jackson’s relationship with Jordan and her concerns about the family. Jackson later denied breaking the lamps, claiming it was only a karate kick and that he was not mad.

On June 23, 1993, the Chandlers and Jackson traveled from New York City to Florida. They then flew to Santa Barbara on a private plane. When they arrived at the ranch Jordan went straight to Michael’s bedroom.

Toward the latter part of June, 1993, Evan Chandler began to express some concerns to Mrs. Chandler about the Jackson-Jordan relationship. It began on June 9^th when Jordan was with Jackson instead of going to his stepbrother, Nickie’s, graduation. Jackson also spent several days at Evan Chandler’s house with Jordan. Evan’s expression to Mrs. Chandler of his concerns increased. Then came a series of family confrontations with Jordan, eventually leading to Jordan’s disclosure to Evan of the fact that Michael Jackson had been sexually molesting him. In August 1993 the authorities were notified by the family’s attorney.

As you would expect, Sneddon made a colossal chronological error in his timeline, and I believe it was done intentionally. He stated that Jordan Chandler was already at the Rent-A-Wreck car shop when Jackson arrived, but that simply isn’t true at all!

Michael Jackson first met Jordan and June Chandler in 1992 when his limousine broke down in Malibu. Mr. Schwartz’s business was nearby and he provided Jackson with a car. Jordan was present and exchanged telephone numbers with Jackson.

When Jackson arrived at Rent-A-Wreck, neither Jordan nor June were present; Dave Schwartz called June and told her that Jackson had arrived unexpectedly, and that she should bring Jordan and her daughter to meet him. Here is an excerpt from Mary Fischer’s 1994 GQ article about this first meeting between the Chandler’s and Jackson:

Jackson’s troubles began when his van broke down on Wilshire Boulevard in Los Angeles in May 1992. Stranded in the middle of the heavily trafficked street, Jackson was spotted by the wife of Mel Green, an employee at Rent-a-Wreck, an offbeat car-rental agency a mile away. Green went to the rescue. When Dave Schwartz, the owner of the car-rental company, heard Green was bringing Jackson to the lot, he called his wife, June, and told her to come over with their 6-year-old daughter and her son from her previous marriage. The boy, then 12, was a big Jackson fan. Upon arriving, June Chandler Schwartz told Jackson about the time her son had sent him a drawing after the singer’s hair caught on fire during the filming of a Pepsi commercial. Then she gave Jackson their home number.

To say that June Chandler simply “gave” Jackson her phone number is a massive understatement! Here’s Rent-A-Wreck employee Mel Green’s description of how June “gave” Jackson her number, and why he assumes that he accepted it (Please note that the following quote was from the original version of Mary Fischer’s article, but it was removed from the 2012 eBook re-release of the article):

“It was almost like she was forcing [the boy] on him,” Green recalls. “I think Michael thought he owed the boy something, and that’s when it all started.”

June behaved like a “crazy, rabid” fan who was just absolutely star struck in Jackson’s presence. Would she have encouraged any other grown man to start a friendship with her 13 year old son? Of course not!

Here’s Jordan’s explanation to Dr. Richard Gardner in October 1993 of how Jackson got his phone number; pay attention to the major discrepancy between his version June’s! (Be warned; the authenticity of that interview is in doubt, as it was made public by Ray Chandler.)

“Okay,” Dr. Gardner asked. “At age twelve and a half, May ’92, what happened then?”

“I met him at Mr. Schwartz’s (car rental agency),” Jordie answered, and went on to explain how it happened, ending with this. “And then my stepfather took him [Michael] outside to choose a car for him to use. And I guess when my stepfather was outside he said, ‘You don’t have to pay for the car if you just take Jordie’s number and give him a call.”

“Why would your stepfather say that?”

“Because my stepfather knows I was interested in Michael Jackson and his music.”

“And s was in your presence?”

“No. I was told this by my stepfather.”

“So what happened then?”

“Then he [Michael] left.”

“Did he agree to the deal, Jackson?”

“Yeah.” 

Jordan claimed that he “guessed” that Dave Schwartz offered Jackson his number, but later on in her testimony June will admit that she gave Jackson her number. This is one of MANY discrepancies between Jordan’s interview and June’s upcoming testimony, and I will discuss them later on in this series. (Similarly, there were multiple discrepancies between Jason and Blanca Francia’s testimonies, and they are summarized at the end of this post.)

Here’s the summary of June’s testimony; in this excerpt, she describes her background and her family:

12 DIRECT EXAMINATION

 

13 BY MR. SNEDDON:

 

14 Q. Good morning, Mrs. Chandler.

 

15 A. Good morning.

 

16 Q. I want to go back in time a little bit to

 

17 around 1992 and ‘93, okay?

 

18 A. Yes.

 

19 Q. And are you related in some fashion to

 

20 Jordan Chandler?

 

21 A. Yes. He is my son.

 

22 Q. Okay. And we’re going — you know, I should

 

23 have done this before we started.

 

24 A. Yes.

 

25 Q. You have to lean right into that microphone

 

26 so everybody can hear what you have to say. We’ve

 

27 had the same problem with everybody, so it’s not

 

28 just you. 5596

 

1 A. Okay.

 

2 Q. You have a very soft voice, so you keep it

 

3 up, all right?

 

4 A. Okay. I will.

 

5 Q. Let me start all over again and ask you

 

6 again. Are you related to Jordan Chandler?

 

7 A. Yes, I am. He is my son.

 

8 Q. Do you have any other sons or daughters?

 

9 A. Yes, I have a daughter.

 

10 Q. And her name?

 

11 A. Lily Chandler.

 

12 Q. And how old is Lily right now?

 

13 A. 17 years old.

 

14 Q. Now, in 1992 and 1993, were you married?

 

15 A. Yes, I was.

 

16 Q. And to whom were you married?

 

17 A. To David Schwartz.

18 Q. And is David Schwartz the father of either

 

19 of your children?

 

20 A. Yes.

 

21 Q. Which one?

 

22 A. Lily Chandler.

 

23 Q. And prior to your marriage with David

 

24 Schwartz, you were married to Evan Chandler,

 

25 correct?

 

26 A. Correct.

 

27 Q. And Evan Chandler is the father of Jordan

 

28 Chandler? 5597

 

1 A. Correct.

 

2 Q. What is Jordan’s date of birth?

 

3 A. January 11th, 1980.

 

4 Q. And to your knowledge, had — by the time of

 

5 the events in 1992 and ‘93, had Evan Chandler

 

6 remarried?

 

7 A. Yes.

 

8 Q. And do you know his wife or did you know his

 

9 wife at that time?

 

10 A. Yes, I did.

 

11 Q. And her name is?

 

12 A. Natalie Chandler.

 

13 Q. And did they have any other children?

 

14 A. Yes, they did.

 

15 Q. And the child’s name?

 

16 A. Nicky Chandler. And Emmanuelle Chandler.

 

17 Q. And at the time of 1992 and 1993, can you

 

18 give us the approximate ages of those children?

 

19 A. As best as I can recall, seven and four.

 

20 Q. And who is the oldest?

 

21 A. Nicky Chandler, the son.

Here is June’s description of the first time that she met Jackson, and how his relationship with her family quickly grew; notice how she debunked Sneddon’s earlier assertion and confirms that she and Jordan didn’t go to Rent-A-Wreck until they were called by Dave Schwartz. And pay attention to her admission of offering Jackson her phone number, not the other way around!

18 Now, Mrs. Chandler, do you recognize the

 

19 defendant in this case, Michael Jackson?

 

20 A. I do.

 

21 Q. And have you been in Mr. Jackson’s presence

 

22 before?

 

23 A. Yes.

 

24 Q. Now, your son Jordan, did you have — let me

 

25 go back in time. Did you have an occasion where you

 

26 actually met Michael Jackson?

 

27 A. Yes, I had an occasion.

 

28 Q. For the first time? 5601

 

1 A. Yes.

 

2 Q. Would you tell the ladies and gentlemen of

 

3 the jury, where did that occur?

 

4 A. That occurred at my ex-husband’s employment,

 

5 Rent-A-Wreck.

 

6 Q. And where is that located?

 

7 A. In West L.A.

 

8 Q. And was — do you remember about

 

9 approximately when that occurred?

 

10 A. It was in the summer of ‘92. Late summer.

 

11 Q. And were you actually at the — your

 

12 husband’s place of business when Mr. Jackson showed

 

13 up?

 

14 A. After he showed up, yes.

 

15 Q. Okay. You received a telephone call from

 

16 someone?

 

17 A. Yes, from my ex-husband.

 

18 Q. And by the way, your ex-husband’s name is

 

19 what?

 

20 A. David Schwartz.

 

21 Q. Did you ever take Mr. Schwartz’s last name?

 

22 A. No, I did not.

 

23 Q. So you’ve always been June Chandler?

 

24 A. I’ve always been June Chandler.

 

25 Q. So you received a telephone call and then

 

26 you went down to his place of business?

 

27 A. Yes, I did.

 

28 Q. With regard to your son Jordan, did Jordan 5602

 

1 go with you?

 

2 A. Yes, he did.

 

3 Q. Was Mr. Jackson there?

 

4 A. Yes, he was.

 

5 Q. And do you recall how long you were with Mr.

 

6 Jackson and Jordan that day?

 

7 A. Briefly. Five minutes. Ten minutes.

 

8 Q. And did — was there any information

 

9 exchanged between you and Mr. Jackson that day?

 

10 A. Yes.

 

11 Q. And what was that?

 

12 A. I said, “If you would like to see Jordie or

 

13 if he could call you or if you’d like to speak to

 

14 him, here is our number, and you can give him a

 

15 call.”

 

16 Q. And you gave that to Mr. Jackson?

 

17 A. Yes, I did.

 

18 Q. Now, let me go back in time. Before this

 

19 meeting that you had at your husband’s place of

 

20 business in 1992, had Jordan ever expressed, to your

 

21 knowledge, some admiration for Mr. Jackson?

 

22 A. Oh, very much so, yes.

 

23 Q. How did he display that admiration?

 

24 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; hearsay.

 

25 MR. SNEDDON: I didn’t ask for a statement,

 

26 Your Honor. I asked for a display.

 

27 THE COURT: All right.

 

28 He’s not asking for anything that was said. 5603

 

1 Do you understand the question?

 

2 THE WITNESS: Would you repeat the question,

 

3 please?

 

4 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Yes.

 

5 How did your son Jordan, prior to this

 

6 meeting that occurred at David Schwartz’s place of

 

7 business, express — display his admiration for Mr.

 

8 Jackson?

 

9 A. He had a little sparkly jacket that he would

 

10 wear to parties. He would have a glove like Michael

 

11 Jackson, and dance around like Michael Jackson.

 

12 Q. And this was all before he met Mr. Jackson?

 

13 A. Before he met Michael Jackson, yes.

 

14 Q. Now, after the incident occurred where there

 

15 was an exchange where you gave Mr. Jackson your

 

16 telephone number — and let me go back and ask you a

 

17 question about that. Was the telephone number you

 

18 gave him your home number?

 

19 A. Yes, it was.

 

20 Q. Did — to your knowledge, did Mr. Jackson

 

21 ever call your son Jordan?

 

22 A. Yes, he did.

 

23 Q. And do you recall, for the ladies and

 

24 gentlemen of the jury, approximately what the time

 

25 span was from the incident that occurred at your

 

26 ex-husband’s place of business to the time that Mr.

 

27 Jackson actually called your son?

 

28 A. To the best of my recollection, it could 5604

 

1 have been a month or two after our first meeting

 

2 with Michael Jackson at Rent-A-Wreck.

 

3 Q. Were you actually in the room when Mr.

 

4 Jackson called?

 

5 A. I don’t recall being in the room, but I

 

6 might have been.

 

7 Q. Do you recall at some time visiting

 

8 Neverland Ranch?

 

9 A. Yes, I do.

10 Q. Do you recall approximately when that

 

11 occurred?

 

12 A. I recall around February.

 

13 Q. Of?

 

14 A. 1993.

 

15 Q. 1993?

 

16 A. Yes.

 

17 Q. So what I want to ask you is, between the

 

18 time that Mr. Jackson started calling your son to

 

19 the time that you went to Neverland Ranch, can you

 

20 give the jury some idea of the number of times Mr.

 

21 Jackson called your son Jordan?

 

22 A. To the best of my recollection —

 

23 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; foundation.

 

24 THE COURT: Sustained.

 

25 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Were you present in the

 

26 house when these conversations occurred?

 

27 A. Yes, I was.

 

28 Q. Did you sometimes answer the phone? 5605

 

1 A. Yes.

 

2 Q. And Mr. Jackson was on the line?

 

3 A. Yes, he was.

 

4 Q. And were you also present in the house

 

5 during the time to observe the length of the

 

6 conversations between your son and Mr. Jackson?

 

7 A. Yes, I was.

 

8 Q. On more than one occasion?

 

9 A. Absolutely.

 

10 Q. All right. So based upon your observations

 

11 and the things that you saw and the things that you

 

12 heard, give us an estimate of the number of times,

 

13 that you know of, that Mr. Jackson called your son

 

14 Jordan.

 

15 A. I would say eight to ten times.

 

16 Q. And with regard to those conversations in

 

17 which you have personal knowledge of the length of

 

18 time, could you give the jury some idea of how long

 

19 these conversations lasted?

 

20 A. It was from maybe ten minutes, to an hour,

 

21 or an hour and a half. It progressed. It got

 

22 longer and longer.

 

23 Q. Could you describe to the jury what your

 

24 son’s reaction was to these phone calls?

 

25 A. He was excited to hear from him. They were

 

26 talking about things that interested Jordie, so,

 

27 um —

 

28 Q. In those occasions where you picked up the 5606

 

1 phone and you talked to Mr. Jackson, did he tell you

 

2 where he was?

 

3 A. No, he didn’t tell me. No.

 

4 Q. Now, how is it that you and Jordan ended up

 

5 going to Neverland Valley Ranch for the first time?

 

6 A. We were invited to go to Neverland, because

 

7 during those conversations, Michael Jackson said,

 

8 “Would you like to come to visit? When I am

 

9 finished touring,” he was doing a European tour, I

 

10 think, he said we can come and visit. And my son

 

11 was very excited to be able to go up there and see

 

12 Neverland.

Here is her description of her first trip to Neverland in February 1993:

13 Q. Now, the first time you went to Neverland,

 

14 you told the jury it was sometime in February of

 

15 1993. How did you get there?

 

16 A. I drove.

 

17 Q. And who went with you besides Jordan, if

 

18 anyone?

 

19 A. My daughter Lily.

 

20 Q. And at this point in time, how old was Lily?

 

21 A. Was seven, I think. Seven or eight.

 

22 Q. And Jordan was born in 1980, so he was 13

 

23 years old at the time you made the first visit,

 

24 correct?

 

25 A. 12, 13, yes. Yes.

 

26 Q. And do you recall whether it was during the

 

27 week or on a weekend that you visited?

 

28 A. On a weekend. 5607

 

1 Q. During the time that you were — during this

 

2 first visit, do you recall how many days you were

 

3 there?

 

4 A. Oh, two nights.

 

5 Q. Okay. So two nights and at least two days

 

6 and possibly a third day?

 

7 A. Two nights. There was not a third day.

 

8 Q. And where did you stay while you were at the

 

9 ranch?

 

10 A. Guest cottage.

 

11 Q. Where did you personally stay?

 

12 A. The guest cottages at Neverland.

 

13 Q. And was there somebody in your cottage with

 

14 you?

 

15 A. Yes, my daughter and my son.

 

16 Q. So Jordan stayed with you and Lily in the

 

17 same cottage?

 

18 A. Yes.

 

19 Q. And was this during the entire length of

 

20 this first visit?

 

21 A. Yes.

 

22 Q. And while you were at the ranch during the

 

23 first visit, did you see Mr. Jackson?

 

24 A. Yes, we did.

 

25 Q. And did you spend time with Mr. Jackson?

 

26 A. Yes, I did.

 

27 Q. Did you spend a lot of time with Mr.

 

28 Jackson? 5608

 

1 A. Yes.

 

2 Q. And when you say, “Yes, I did,” can you tell

 

3 us about what Jordan and Lily did?

 

4 A. We were all either taking rides on the

 

5 Ferris wheel, playing video games. Jordie and

 

6 Michael were playing video games. I was watching.

 

7 Lily was playing. We looked at his animals that he

 

8 had. Just different things that were at Neverland.

 

9 Q. Okay. And I think you’ve described that as

 

10 being an amazing weekend?

 

11 A. Yes. Fun.

 

12 Q. Now, during the time that you were there on

 

13 this first visit, do you recall whether or not you

 

14 went with Mr. Jackson to a business called

 

15 Toys-R-Us?

 

16 A. Yes.

 

17 Q. And could you tell us about that?

 

18 A. I guess it was after hours, after Toys-R-Us

 

19 closed, and Michael said, “Jordie and Lily, you get

 

20 to go shopping and buy toys, get toys.”

 

21 So we went and —

 

22 Q. When you say “we went,” who’s “we”?

 

23 A. Lily and Jordie and Michael and I went. And

 

24 they had fun. They were shopping and Michael bought

 

25 lots of things for them. They picked out stuff, and

 

26 they were showered with great presents from

 

27 Toys-R-Us.

 

28 Q. And Mr. Jackson paid for all of that? 5609

 

1 A. I — yes, he did.

 

2 Q. You didn’t, right?

 

3 A. No.

 

4 Q. Now, after you left Neverland Valley Ranch

 

5 after this first visit, did you ever go back to

 

6 Neverland Valley Ranch?

 

7 A. Yes.

8 Q. And do you recall how much time elapsed

 

9 between the first time you went there and the second

 

10 time you went back?

 

11 A. It could be a week later or two weeks after.

 

12 Q. And when you went back the second time, do

 

13 you recall how you got there?

 

14 A. I — to the best of my recollection, I was

 

15 picked up by Michael Jackson.

 

16 Q. When you say “picked up by Michael Jackson,”

 

17 in what form of transportation was that?

 

18 A. In his car, limo.

 

19 Q. And who else was with you when you got

 

20 picked up? I mean, from your family. Let’s start

 

21 that way first.

 

22 A. It was Lily, my daughter, and Jordan.

 

23 Q. So the three of you?

 

24 A. My son.

 

25 Q. The three of you went back to the ranch?

 

26 A. Right.

 

27 Q. Was there anybody else in the limo that you

 

28 recall with Mr. Jackson? 5610

 

1 A. Well —

 

2 Q. Let me go back and make something clear.

 

3 A. Sure.

 

4 Q. Was Mr. Jackson actually in the limo

 

5 himself?

 

6 A. Yes, he was.

 

7 Q. Now, let’s ask the question —

 

8 A. Okay.

 

9 Q. — was there anybody else in the limo other

 

10 than Mr. Jackson and the three of you?

 

11 A. Yes, there was Brett Barnes.

 

12 Q. And do you recall where Mr. — where the

 

13 child Brett — let me ask you this: With regard to

 

14 Brett Barnes, can you estimate about approximately

 

15 what age you felt Brett Barnes was at this point?

 

16 A. 11. 10, 11.

 

17 Q. So he was a child?

 

18 A. He was a child.

 

19 Q. And where was Brett Barnes in the car in

 

20 relationship to Mr. Jackson?

 

21 A. Sitting next to Michael Jackson.

 

22 Q. Now, on the second visit you went to the

 

23 ranch, do you recall how long you stayed?

 

24 A. A weekend.

 

25 Q. And did you spend time — did you personally

 

26 spend time with Mr. Jackson that weekend?

 

27 A. Yes, I did.

 

28 Q. Did Jordan spend time with him that weekend? 5611

 

1 A. Yes, he did.

 

2 Q. And did you see Brett Barnes around there

 

3 that weekend?

 

4 A. Yes. I don’t really remember, but yes, he

 

5 was there, too. Yes, he was enjoying that time

 

6 also.

 

7 Q. And where did you personally sleep during

 

8 your stay, the second visit to Neverland Valley

 

9 Ranch?

 

10 A. Guest cottages.

 

11 Q. Where did Lily stay?

 

12 A. In the guest cottages.

 

13 Q. And where did your son Jordan stay?

 

14 A. In the guest cottages.

 

15 Q. Now, the guest cottages are all located in

 

16 one general area, correct?

 

17 A. Yes.

 

18 Q. They’re all sort of connected into one

 

19 building?

 

20 A. Correct.

 

21 Q. With regard to that building, did you ever

 

22 see Brett Barnes anywhere around the building and

 

23 the cottages?

 

24 A. Not that I recall.

 

25 Q. Now, how did you get home from Neverland on

 

26 this second visit?

 

27 A. We were driven home.

 

28 Q. In a limo? 5612

 

1 A. Yes.

 

2 Q. Was Mr. Jackson present?

 

3 A. I don’t recall.

 

4 Q. Was there ever an occasion where you went to

 

5 Disneyland?

 

6 A. Yes.

 

7 Q. And do you recall when that happened in

 

8 relationship to like either one of these first,

 

9 second visits?

 

10 A. That could have been that weekend, the

 

11 second weekend that we were at Neverland that we

 

12 went — instead of going to Los Angeles, we went to

 

13 Anaheim, to Disneyland. It could have been that

 

14 weekend.

 

15 Q. And who all went to Disneyland?

 

16 A. I remember Jordan, Lily, Michael and I, and

 

17 perhaps Brett.

 

18 Q. Now, did you ever have an occasion to visit

 

19 Neverland Valley Ranch again?

 

20 A. Yes.

 

21 Q. And do you remember approximately how much

 

22 time elapsed between the second visit and the third

 

23 visit?

 

24 A. It could have been a week. A weekend.

 

25 Q. And when you went to the ranch on this third

 

26 occasion, was Mr. Jackson present?

 

27 A. Yes, he was.

 

28 Q. And where did you sleep? 5613

 

1 A. In the guest cottages.

 

2 Q. And where did Lily sleep?

 

3 A. In the guest cottages.

 

4 Q. And where did Jordan sleep?

 

5 A. In the guest cottages.

During their first 3 visits to Neverland, June, Lily, and Jordan all slept in the guest cottage, thus refuting the notion that Jackson deliberately separated young boys from their parents and forced them to sleep with in his bedroom!

In this excerpt, notice how she stated that it was Jordan who requested to sleep in Jackson’s bedroom, and not the other way around! And it was on his third visit, not his first or second, so this shows that Jordan was already very comfortable being around Jackson, and obviously so was June! She didn’t disclose why she refused Jordan’s request, and (surprisingly!) Sneddon didn’t ask her, but it’s obvious that it wasn’t because she felt her son would be in danger if he slept in Jackson’s bedroom, because if she felt that way then she wouldn’t have been at Neverland in the first place.

 

6 Q. At some point in time during any one of

 

7 these three visits to — these three visits you’ve

 

8 described to the jury, did your son request to sleep

 

9 in Mr. Jackson’s bedroom?

 

10 A. Yes —

 

11 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading.

 

12 THE WITNESS: — he did.

 

13 THE COURT: Overruled. Next question.

 

14 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: And do you recall during

 

15 which one of the visits it was that the request

 

16 came?

 

17 A. Oh, the third visit.

 

18 Q. And did you allow him to do that?

 

19 A. No, I did not.

 

20 Q. Did you notice — I may not have asked this

 

21 with regard to the third visit, but you indicated in

 

22 at least the first visit that Jordan slept with you

 

23 in your guest cottage, correct?

 

24 A. Correct.

 

25 Q. In the second visit, did Jordan sleep with

 

26 you in your guest cottage?

 

27 A. Yes, he did.

 

28 Q. And the third visit, did Jordan sleep with 5614

1 you in your guest cottage?

 

2 A. Yes, he did.

 

3 Q. Did you notice anything with regard to what

 

4 time of the day or night it was that Jordan finally

 

5 came to your cottage to go to bed?

 

6 A. I assume it was late, after eleven o’clock.

 

7 Q. Why do you assume that?

 

8 A. Because they were playing all day and all

 

9 night. And it was a weekend. He did not have

 

10 school, so he was allowed to stay up later than

 

11 11:00.

Here is her description of the first time she met Frank and Eddie Cascio:

12 Q. During any of your visits to Neverland

 

13 Valley Ranch, did you ever meet any children from

 

14 New Jersey?

 

15 A. Yes.

 

16 Q. Do you remember their names?

 

17 A. Frankie and Eddie.

 

18 Q. And with regard to Frankie at this point in

 

19 time, do you recall approximately how old Frankie

 

20 was?

 

21 A. Around the same age as Jordan, or maybe

 

22 younger.

 

23 Q. And how about Eddie?

 

24 A. I don’t recall. I don’t know which one is

 

25 which.

 

26 Q. Do you recall their last name at all?

 

27 A. Cascio.

 

28 Q. And do you remember which one of the visits 5615

 

1 to the ranch was it that you met Frank Cascio?

 

2 A. No, I don’t.

Here is her testimony about her trip to Vegas with Jackson. During this trip, she confronted Jackson about why he allowed Jordan to sleep in his hotel room without getting her permission first:

3 Q. Was there — was there some point in time

 

4 when you took a trip with Mr. Jackson to Las Vegas?

 

5 A. Yes, there was.

 

6 Q. And do you remember when that trip occurred?

 

7 Just approximately what month, for instance?

 

8 A. The end of March.

 

9 Q. Of 1993?

 

10 A. Of ‘93. Correct.

 

11 Q. Excuse me, my allergies are acting up today.

 

12 How did you get to Las Vegas?

 

13 A. By jet, private jet.

 

14 Q. And who was with you on the jet?

 

15 A. My son Jordan, Lily, myself and Michael.

 

16 Q. And when you got to Las Vegas, where did you

 

17 stay, what hotel?

 

18 A. The Mirage Hotel.

 

19 Q. And when you got to The Mirage Hotel, do you

 

20 remember what time of day or night it was?

 

21 A. No.

 

22 Q. Do you remember how long you stayed in Las

 

23 Vegas on this occasion?

 

24 A. Two or three nights.

 

25 Q. Now, when you got to Las Vegas, did you

 

26 have — obviously you had a room —

 

27 A. Correct.

 

28 Q. — in The Mirage. 5616

 

1 And who was in your room when you first got

 

2 there? Who was staying in your room?

 

3 A. Jordan, myself, Lily and Michael.

 

4 Q. All in the same room?

 

5 A. Correct.

 

6 Q. Now, did those arrangements change at any

 

7 point in time?

 

8 A. Yes.

 

9 Q. And when did they change?

 

10 A. The second night things changed.

 

11 Q. With regard to “things changed,” could you

 

12 tell me what changed first?

 

13 A. Well, there were approximately three

 

14 bedrooms in that suite at the Mirage Hotel. Lily

 

15 and I were staying in one bedroom, Jordie had

 

16 another bedroom, and Michael had another bedroom.

 

17 The second night, they were going to see a

 

18 performance, Cirque du Soleil performance.

 

19 Q. “They” meaning who?

 

20 A. Jordie and Michael —

 

21 Q. Okay.

 

22 A. — and Lily and I. It was around 11 p.m. at

 

23 night, and I got a call from somebody at Cirque du

 

24 Soleil saying, “Where is Michael?” And I said, “He

 

25 should be there with my son.” They said, “He’s not

 

26 here.”

 

27 A little while later, another call, he still

 

28 didn’t show up. They still did not show up. And 5617

 

1 I — there’s a knock on the door and it’s Michael

 

2 and Jordan, and they came back into the suite.

 

3 Michael —

 

4 Q. Now, let me stop you right there, okay?

 

5 A. Yes.

 

6 Q. About what time is it when your son Jordan

 

7 and the defendant in this case, Mr. Jackson, showed

 

8 up?

 

9 A. Well, I think the performance started at

 

10 11:00, and I would say Jordan and Michael showed up

 

11 around 11:30.

 

12 Q. Now, could you describe for the jury Mr.

 

13 Jackson’s demeanor at the time that they came back

 

14 to the room?

 

15 A. He was sobbing. He was crying, shaking,

 

16 trembling.

 

17 Q. Michael Jackson was?

 

18 A. He was.

 

19 Q. And what about your son’s demeanor?

 

20 A. He was quiet.

 

21 Q. Now, at that point in time, did Mr. Jackson

 

22 tell you why he was upset or crying?

 

23 A. Yes.

 

24 Q. All right. Tell the jury what he said.

 

25 A. He said, “You don’t trust me? We’re a

 

26 family. Why are you doing this? Why are you not

 

27 allowing Jordie to be with me?” And I said, “He is

 

28 with you.” 5618

 

1 He said, “But my bedroom. Why not in my

 

2 bedroom? We fall asleep, the kids have fun.

 

3 Boys” —

 

4 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Nonresponsive;

 

5 narrative.

 

6 THE COURT: Narrative; sustained.

 

7 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: All right. Tell us what –

 

8 Mr. Jackson said that he wanted your son to sleep

 

9 with him in his bed – what you said to Mr. Jackson.

 

10 A. What I said to Michael was, “This is not” —

 

11 “This is not anything that I want. This is not

 

12 right. Jordie should be able to do what he wants to

 

13 do. He should be able to fall asleep where he wants

 

14 to sleep.”

 

15 Q. Is this you talking or Mr. Jackson speaking?

 

16 A. I was saying this. And Michael was

 

17 trembling and saying, “We’re a family. Jordie is

 

18 having fun. Why can’t he sleep in my bed? There’s

 

19 nothing wrong. There’s nothing going on. Don’t you

 

20 trust me?”

 

21 Q. All right. How long do you think this

 

22 conversation lasted between you and Mr. Jackson over

 

23 where Jordan was going to sleep that night?

 

24 A. I would say 20 to 30, 40 minutes.

 

25 Q. So it was a back-and-forth conversation; is

26 that right?

 

27 A. Yes.

 

28 Q. Do you recall how many times during that 5619

 

1 conversation that Mr. Jackson emphasized the fact

 

2 that you didn’t trust him?

 

3 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading.

 

4 THE WITNESS: No, I don’t recall how many

 

5 times —

 

6 THE COURT: Just a moment.

 

7 THE WITNESS: I’m sorry.

 

8 THE COURT: Overruled.

 

9 Go ahead. You may answer.

 

10 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Go ahead.

 

11 A. I don’t recall how many times.

 

12 Q. Was it on more than one occasion?

 

13 A. Absolutely, yes.

 

14 Q. Was it on many occasions?

 

15 A. Quite a few.

 

16 Q. Do you remember how many times during the

 

17 conversation that Mr. Jackson emphasized to you that

 

18 you were family?

 

19 A. Many times.

 

20 Q. Did you at some point in time relent and

 

21 allow your son to sleep with Michael Jackson in his

 

22 bedroom?

 

23 A. Yes, I did.

 

24 Q. And was it after that discussion on that

 

25 night?

 

26 A. Yes.

 

27 Q. Is that the first occasion?

 

28 A. Correct. 5620

 

1 Q. When you were in Las Vegas, do you remember

 

2 how many of the nights in Las Vegas that your son

 

3 Jordan slept with the defendant, Michael Jackson, in

 

4 Michael Jackson’s room?

 

5 A. I would say two occasions.

I personally believe that Jackson cried because he truly believed that June’s initial decision was based on mistrusting him, as if he would ever harm Jordan, not because he just wanted to force Jordan to sleep in his bed, because he never did force Jordan or any other child to do that. (In fact, June confirms this later on in her testimony.)

Next, June described how and why she allowed her son to share beds with Jackson as they travelled around the world, the gifts and perks that she received from Jackson (which the prosecution claimed was a way of “paying her off”), and her other outings with Jackson:

6 Q. Now, at some point in time after you had

 

7 agreed to let your son Jordan sleep with Mr.

 

8 Jackson, were you the recipient of a gift from Mr.

 

9 Jackson?

 

10 A. Yes, I was.

 

11 Q. Would you describe that to the jury?

 

12 A. It was a gold bracelet, and it was given to

 

13 me by Michael.

 

14 Q. And you say “a gold bracelet.” Had you seen

 

15 that gold bracelet in a shop of some kind before?

 

16 A. I had seen it before, yes.

 

17 Q. And the brand name on that bracelet?

 

18 A. Cartier.

 

19 Q. Was it expensive, to your knowledge?

 

20 A. Oh, I — yes, it was.

 

21 Q. When was it you received this gift in

 

22 relationship to having agreed to allow your son to

 

23 sleep in bed with Mr. Jackson?

 

24 A. I think it was the next evening when we were

 

25 attending a show, a magic show, by David

 

26 Copperfield.

 

27 Q. Mrs. Chandler, do you recall after Las Vegas

 

28 where you went, where you personally and Jordan 5621

 

1 went? When you came back from Vegas, where did you

 

2 go; do you recall?

 

3 A. After Vegas, I — it could be back to

 

4 Disneyland, back to Neverland, or home. I’m not

 

5 exactly certain.

 

6 Q. Was Mr. Jackson with you wherever it was

 

7 that you went? Did he go back with you, in other

 

8 words?

 

9 A. Yes, he did.

 

10 Q. And did Mr. Jackson continue to spend his

 

11 nights with your son in the same room, in the same

 

12 bed, from Las Vegas, from that point on?

 

13 A. Yes.

 

14 Q. Were there other visits to Neverland Valley

 

15 Ranch after you came back from Las Vegas?

 

16 A. Yes, there were.

 

17 Q. And were there occasions when your son went

 

18 up to the ranch where you and Lily did not accompany

 

19 him to the ranch?

 

20 A. Yes.

 

21 Q. Do you remember on how many such occasions?

 

22 A. I would say two or three times.

 

23 Q. And were there occasions also where you and

 

24 Lily and Jordan also went up to the ranch after Las

 

25 Vegas?

 

26 A. Yes.

 

27 Q. And on those occasions when you went up to

 

28 the ranch after Las Vegas, where did you stay? 5622

 

1 A. I stayed in the guest cottages.

 

2 Q. And where did Lily stay?

 

3 A. In the guest cottages.

 

4 Q. And where did Jordan stay?

 

5 A. In Michael Jackson’s bedroom.

 

6 Q. Were there ever any occasions that you

 

7 recall where you actually, when you got to the

 

8 ranch, that you would take Jordan’s suitcase in and

 

9 take it into Mr. Jackson’s bedroom and leave it

 

10 there?

 

11 A. Possibly.

 

12 Q. So you knew that he was going to be spending

 

13 the night with Michael Jackson in Michael Jackson’s

 

14 bedroom at this point in time?

 

15 A. Yes.

June was then asked to recount the times when she invited Jackson to stay at her residence in 1993. Let me repeat that: she invited Jackson to stay at her residence! Jackson didn’t beg her to let him visit, she invited him! That’s indicative of how comfortable she was around him!

16 Q. Now, were there occasions after you got back

 

17 from Las Vegas — let me — where Mr. Jackson

 

18 actually was invited to stay at your residence where

 

19 you lived at this point in time?

 

20 A. Yes.

 

21 Q. Now, what city was it that you lived in at

 

22 this time?

 

23 A. Santa Monica.

 

24 Q. We’re talking about 1993, in the spring,

 

25 right?

 

26 A. Correct.

 

27 Q. Okay. Where did you live?

 

28 A. Santa Monica. 5623

 

1 Q. And at this point in time, was Mr. Schwartz

 

2 living with you?

 

3 A. No, he wasn’t.

 

4 Q. So in the household was there anybody

 

5 besides you and Jordan and Lily?

 

6 A. My housekeeper.

 

7 Q. And was that a full-time housekeeper?

 

8 A. Yes, she was.

 

9 Q. 24 hours a day?

 

10 A. Yes.

 

11 Q. Did she live in the house?

 

12 A. Yes, she did. She was a live-in.

 

13 Q. That’s what I meant. Sorry. Clumsy

 

14 question.

 

15 And during this time, did Mr. Jackson ever

 

16 spend the night at your residence?

 

17 A. Yes, he did.

 

18 Q. And do you recall on how many occasions Mr.

 

19 Jackson spent the night at your residence?

20 A. I would say more than 30 times.

 

21 Q. And were some of those occasions on

 

22 consecutive days or nights?

 

23 A. Yes.

 

24 Q. And how long consecutively do you think that

 

25 that occurred?

 

26 A. Oh. It could be a week or two at a time.

 

27 Q. Where did Mr. Jackson stay in the house?

 

28 A. In Jordan’s bedroom. 5624

 

1 Q. Are there more than one bed in that room?

 

2 A. No.

 

3 Q. I am assuming that Jordan was going to

 

4 school during this period of time.

 

5 A. He was.

 

6 Q. So Mr. Jackson would spend the night there.

 

7 What would happen when Jordan would go to school?

 

8 To your knowledge, what did Mr. Jackson do?

 

9 A. Michael would leave.

 

10 Q. And approximately what time would he return?

 

11 A. After Jordan came home from school.

 

12 Q. And so was this the routine that was

 

13 followed during the time that Mr. Jackson was

 

14 staying at your residence?

 

15 A. Yes.

 

16 Q. Did you ever — have you ever been to Disney

 

17 World —

 

18 A. Yes.

 

19 Q. — in Orlando, Florida?

 

20 A. Yes.

 

21 Q. And have you been to Disney World with the

 

22 defendant in this case, Michael Jackson?

 

23 A. Yes.

 

24 Q. And do you remember approximately when it

 

25 was that you went to Disney World with Mr. Jackson?

 

26 A. I would say in May.

 

27 Q. Of ‘93?

 

28 A. Of ‘93. 5625

 

1 Q. And when you went to Disney World with Mr.

 

2 Jackson, who else went with you?

 

3 A. Jordan and Lily.

 

4 Q. Do you recall where you stayed?

 

5 A. I recall The Grand Floridian was one hotel.

 

6 Q. And during the time that — do you remember

 

7 how many days — did you go there on more than one

 

8 occasion?

 

9 A. Yes, we did.

 

10 Q. How many occasions?

 

11 A. Twice.

 

12 Q. And do you recall what the sleeping

 

13 arrangements were on the first occasion?

 

14 A. Jordie was with Michael and Lily was with

 

15 me.

 

16 Q. And when you say “with Michael” —

 

17 A. In Michael’s bedroom.

In this excerpt, June stated that there weren’t any obvious changes in Jordan’s behavior, other than the fact that he started dressing like Jackson and acted “smart-alecky” (like many 13 year old boys act):

18 Q. Now, during the time that you visited Disney

 

19 World in Orlando, would you describe the nature of

 

20 the relationship that was going on, that you

 

21 observed personally, between the defendant in this

 

22 case, Michael Jackson, and your son Jordan?

 

23 A. The behavior, you say?

 

24 Q. Yeah.

 

25 A. The behavior with my son was he was not

 

26 wanting to be with Lily and I anymore, and he was

 

27 just with Michael the whole time, and he wasn’t too

 

28 happy. Just — well, I couldn’t — I didn’t have 5626

 

1 any communication with him really.

 

2 Q. Was this something that you observed for the

 

3 first time in Orlando or was this something that you

 

4 began to observe over a period of time?

 

5 A. It was a period of time, and it gradually

 

6 happened.

 

7 Q. Did you notice any change in your son —

 

8 A. Yes.

 

9 Q. — Jordan?

 

10 A. Yes.

 

11 Q. What was the nature of the change?

 

12 A. Well, he started dressing like Michael. He

 

13 started acting withdrawn, sort of smart-alecky. Not

 

14 as sweet as he normally was. And withdrawn. He

 

15 just didn’t want to be with us, Lily and I.

 

16 Q. Had you always been close prior to that?

 

17 A. Extremely close.

June was then asked to recall her knowledge of the Robsons and Barnes, and her interactions with them. Sneddon made sure that he got June to confirm that their fathers were not at Neverland, which is went hand in hand with his assertion that Jackson only “preyed” on young boys who didn’t have father figures in their lives:

18 Q. Do you — I think you answered this, but

 

19 just in case, how many days did you think you were

 

20 in Florida?

 

21 A. Oh, I don’t really remember, but it’s

 

22 probably more than two nights. Two, three nights.

 

23 Q. And after you came back from Florida, do you

 

24 recall where you went?

 

25 A. After that, I think the next trip was to

 

26 Monaco.

 

27 Q. In between the time that you went to Florida

 

28 and to Monaco, do you recall where you were — where 5627

 

1 you were personally staying?

 

2 A. No. I guess home.

 

3 Q. Do you remember how much time elapsed

 

4 between the two trips?

 

5 A. Not really, no.

 

6 Q. Was it more than a month, more than a week?

 

7 Obviously it was more than a day or so.

 

8 A. Yes. It was a couple — it could be three

 

9 weeks.

 

10 Q. And during that time when you got back from

 

11 Florida till the time that you left for Monaco, were

 

12 you with Mr. Jackson?

 

13 A. At times.

 

14 Q. And the times that you were with Mr.

 

15 Jackson, was Jordan with Mr. Jackson?

 

16 A. Yes.

 

17 Q. And when he’s with Mr. Jackson, where did he

 

18 sleep?

 

19 A. With Mr. Jackson.

 

20 Q. Do you know somebody by the name of Joy

 

21 Robeson?

 

22 A. Yes.

 

23 Q. Do you know somebody by the name of Wade

 

24 Robeson?

 

25 A. Yes.

 

26 Q. And do you recall where it was that you met

 

27 Joy Robeson?

 

28 A. Yes, I do. 5628

 

1 Q. Where was that?

 

2 A. That was at Neverland, one of the visits.

 

3 Q. Do you recall when it was that you met Wade

 

4 Robeson?

 

5 A. One of the visits to Neverland.

 

6 Q. And do you recall approximately which visit

 

7 it would have been or what month it would have been

 

8 that you met these individuals?

 

9 A. It could have been my third visit to

 

10 Neverland.

 

11 Q. Did you meet them on more than one occasion?

 

12 A. I met Wade on more than one occasion, yes.

 

13 Q. And how many times did you meet Joy Robeson?

 

14 A. One.

 

15 Q. One occasion?

16 A. That I remember.

 

17 Q. There were occasions when Wade Robeson was

 

18 there that the mother was not there?

 

19 A. Correct.

 

20 Q. Now, you’ve indicated to the jury on at

 

21 least one occasion, perhaps two, that Brett Barnes

 

22 was also at Neverland Valley Ranch?

 

23 A. Yes, he was there too.

 

24 Q. And did you ever meet Brett Barnes’ mother?

 

25 A. No.

 

26 Q. So he was at the ranch by himself also?

 

27 A. Oh, yes. Yes, he was.

 

28 Q. Did you ever meet a Mr. Robeson, the father? 5629

 

1 A. No. No, not that I remember.

 

2 Q. Did you ever meet a Mr. Barnes at any point?

 

3 A. Not that I remember, no.

 

4 Q. So no fathers in the picture?

 

5 A. No.

Next, June was asked to describe a conversation that she had with Wade Robeson’s mother in which she became concerned after being told confidential information (she wasn’t allowed to disclose what was said to her by Joy Robson), and how she was invited by Jackson to go on tour with him in the fall of 1993:

6 Q. Was it more than a month, more than a week?

 

7 Obviously it was more than a day or so.

 

8 A. Yes. It was a couple — it could be three

 

9 weeks.

 

10 Q. And during that time when you got back from

 

11 Florida till the time that you left for Monaco, were

 

12 you with Mr. Jackson?

 

13 A. At times.

 

14 Q. And the times that you were with Mr.

 

15 Jackson, was Jordan with Mr. Jackson?

 

16 A. Yes.

 

17 Q. And when he’s with Mr. Jackson, where did he

 

18 sleep?

 

19 A. With Mr. Jackson.

 

20 Q. Do you know somebody by the name of Joy

 

21 Robeson?

 

22 A. Yes.

 

23 Q. Do you know somebody by the name of Wade

 

24 Robeson?

 

25 A. Yes.

 

26 Q. And do you recall where it was that you met

 

27 Joy Robeson?

 

28 A. Yes, I do. 5628

 

1 Q. Where was that?

 

2 A. That was at Neverland, one of the visits.

 

3 Q. Do you recall when it was that you met Wade

 

4 Robeson?

 

5 A. One of the visits to Neverland.

 

6 Q. And do you recall approximately which visit

 

7 it would have been or what month it would have been

 

8 that you met these individuals?

 

9 A. It could have been my third visit to

 

10 Neverland.

 

11 Q. Did you meet them on more than one occasion?

 

12 A. I met Wade on more than one occasion, yes.

 

13 Q. And how many times did you meet Joy Robeson?

 

14 A. One.

 

15 Q. One occasion?

 

16 A. That I remember.

 

17 Q. There were occasions when Wade Robeson was

 

18 there that the mother was not there?

 

19 A. Correct.

 

20 Q. Now, you’ve indicated to the jury on at

 

21 least one occasion, perhaps two, that Brett Barnes

 

22 was also at Neverland Valley Ranch?

 

23 A. Yes, he was there too.

 

24 Q. And did you ever meet Brett Barnes’ mother?

 

25 A. No.

 

26 Q. So he was at the ranch by himself also?

 

27 A. Oh, yes. Yes, he was.

 

28 Q. Did you ever meet a Mr. Robeson, the father? 5629

 

1 A. No. No, not that I remember.

 

2 Q. Did you ever meet a Mr. Barnes at any point?

 

3 A. Not that I remember, no.

 

4 Q. So no fathers in the picture?

 

5 A. No.

 

6 Q. Now, prior to the time that you met Joe

 

7 Robeson for the first time – okay? —

 

8 A. Yes.

 

9 Q. — on your visit to Neverland Valley Ranch,

 

10 did you have a discussion with the defendant in this

 

11 case, Mr. Jackson, with regard to some warnings that

 

12 Mr. Jackson gave you about Joy Robeson?

 

13 A. Yes.

 

14 Q. What did Mr. Jackson tell you?

 

15 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Relevance.

 

16 MR. SNEDDON: I think it’s an admission of

 

17 Mr. Jackson with regard to the relationship with the

 

18 boys.

 

19 MR. MESEREAU: Relevance and hearsay.

 

20 THE COURT: I’m not sure what you’re trying

 

21 to introduce. I’m searching my memory for that. I

 

22 don’t know, maybe you should approach with counsel.

 

23 MR. SNEDDON: Thank you, Your Honor.

 

24 (Discussion held off the record at sidebar.)

 

25 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Mrs. Chandler?

 

26 A. Yes.

 

27 Q. Okay. Now, you had a conversation with Mr.

 

28 Jackson, is that correct? 5630

 

1 A. Yes.

 

2 Q. Now, at the time — and please do not tell

 

3 us what was said, but did you subsequently have a

 

4 conversation with Miss Robeson —

 

5 A. Yes, I did.

 

6 Q. — wade’s mother?

 

7 A. Correct.

 

8 Q. Okay. Now, after that conversation, did you

 

9 develop any concerns about some of the things that

 

10 she had told you?

 

11 A. I —

 

12 Q. I think you have to answer that “yes” or

 

13 “no.” We don’t want to get into what she said.

 

14 A. Yes.

 

15 Q. And with regard to that particular

 

16 conversation, let me ask you this: Had you been

 

17 invited by the defendant in this case, Mr. Jackson,

 

18 to go on a tour with him, you and Jordan?

 

19 A. Yes.

 

20 Q. And where were you invited by Mr. Jackson to

 

21 go on a tour?

 

22 A. I don’t know where the tour was going. I

 

23 guess a world tour somewhere in the summertime.

 

24 Q. Do you know where Miss Robeson, Mrs.

 

25 Robeson, was from, what country?

 

26 A. Australia.

 

27 Q. Do you know whether one of the stops on that

 

28 tour was going to be Australia? 5631

 

1 A. I think it was, yes.

The mother of Wade Robson surely  had her own opinions on June, but you’ll have to wait until we get to their testimony to find out what she said!

Before I continue, I want to show everyone a very important tidbit of information that was recently brought to my attention by Lynette, one of the admins of this blog. According to a lawsuit against Jackson by Marcel Avram (who also sued Jackson in 2002), Jackson wanted to cancel the second leg of his Dangerous World Tour in August 1993, before it even started, and can anyone guess why? It’s surely because of the Chandler’s extortion threats that were being made just weeks prior to the start of the first show on August, 1993. Here’s the article from the LA Times, dated December 29^th, 1993:

Jackson Hit With $20-Million Lawsuit : Pop music: The pop star faces a fraud and breach-of-contract claim by the promoter of his canceled ‘Dangerous’ tour. The singer performed only 24 of the 43 shows.

December 29, 1993|CHUCK PHILIPS | SPECIAL TO THE TIMES

Embattled pop star Michael Jackson was sued Tuesday for more than $20 million in a fraud and breach-of-contract claim by the promoter of his abruptly canceled “Dangerous World Tour.”

The suit, filed in Los Angeles Superior Court, alleges that Jackson refuses to reimburse Marcel Avram, the owner of Munich-based Mama Concerts, the money for debts resulting from cancellations on the tour.

It also charges that the singer concealed that he was addicted to drugs and embarked on the tour, in part, to avoid a looming investigation into child molestation allegations.

The tour ended Nov. 12 when the singer announced he was seeking help for an addiction to drugs–a condition, he said, that stemmed from coping with the molestation allegations by a 13-year-old boy, who has also filed a lawsuit against the star. Jackson performed 24 of the 43 scheduled dates.

“Michael Jackson has yet to pay one nickel to the people he left stranded after canceling his world tour,” said Los Angeles attorney Don Engel, who represents Avram, owner of Mama Concerts.

“He stiffed hundreds of thousands of his fans and hung my client out to dry. We had no alternative but to bring suit against him.”

Representatives for Jackson did not return repeated phone calls.

Engel said Avram filed the suit because Jackson’s representatives have refused for six weeks to pay outstanding bills and reimburse millions of dollars in cash advanced to the singer for shows he canceled without notice. Among others reportedly due money: tour employees, vendors and associate promoters.

Despite the international uproar created when the allegations of child molestation became public in August, Jackson had publicly pressed on with his world tour, performing across Asia and Europe despite setbacks and distractions.

At the tour’s outset, as the allegations surfaced, Jackson canceled two Bangkok shows, citing dehydration. He shelved a date in Singapore after collapsing backstage. Other shows were canceled in South Africa, Australia, Chile and Peru.

But in Tuesday’s lawsuit, Avram alleges that Jackson’s conduct and performance problems resulted from the entertainer’s addiction to morphine and Demerol.

The suit claims that agents or advisers for Jackson provided the singer with a supply of drugs and deceived Avram by misrepresenting the singer’s health problems. False information about the status of Jackson’s health was unknowingly used by the promoter on Aug. 17 to obtain an insurance policy from Lloyds of London to guarantee against financial losses resulting from Jackson’s failure or inability to perform scheduled concerts on the tour, the suit says. The settlement of the insurance policy is now in question.

Avram himself has been sued twice by vendors and promoters who lost money due to the cancellations.

He alleges that Jackson barely rehearsed for the tour and indeed requested to cancel or postpone it on Aug. 19–less than one week before the first concert was scheduled to take place in Bangkok.

According to Avram, Jackson decided to go out on tour the day before police searched his Neverland Ranch in August to escape the controversy

http://articles.latimes.com/print/1993-12-29/entertainment/ca-6422_1_pop-star-michael-jackson

 

In this excerpt, June recounts her trip to Monaco, France with Jackson. This is where Jackson attended the 1993 World Music Awards with the Chandlers:

2 Q. Okay. Let’s talk a little bit about your

 

3 trip to France.

 

4 A. Yes.

 

5 Q. Do you recall approximately when that was?

 

6 A. I think the middle of May.

 

7 Q. And how did you get there?

 

8 A. We flew.

 

9 Q. And was it on a charter or a commercial

 

10 airline?

 

11 A. Commercial airline.

 

12 Q. And you say “we,” so could you tell us who

 

13 it was that you went with?

 

14 A. My daughter, my son and Michael.

 

15 Q. And when you got to France, where in France

 

16 did you stay?

 

17 A. Monaco.

 

18 Q. And how long were you in Monaco?

 

19 A. Approximately four days.

 

20 Q. And during the time that you were there,

 

21 where did your son Jordan sleep?

22 A. In Michael Jackson’s bedroom.

 

23 Q. Now, did you ever go into that bedroom?

 

24 A. Yes.

 

25 Q. And were they in bed together on occasion?

 

26 A. On occasion, yes.

 

27 Q. Now, during the time that you were in

 

28 Monaco, did you do any shopping? 5632

 

1 A. Yes.

 

2 Q. And how was it that you — well, let me put

 

3 it this way: Who went shopping with you?

 

4 A. My daughter.

 

5 Q. You and Lily?

 

6 A. Yes.

 

7 Q. And how many days did you do that?

 

8 A. Oh. One day.

 

9 Q. And who was paying for the —

 

10 A. Michael was.

 

11 Q. I’m sorry?

 

12 A. Michael was.

 

13 Q. And how did he arrange that?

 

14 A. I think I was given a credit card, his

 

15 credit card.

 

16 Q. So you went shopping in Monaco on Michael

 

17 Jackson’s credit card, you and your daughter?

 

18 A. Yes.

 

19 Q. Now, during this trip, did either your son

 

20 or Mr. Jackson get ill?

 

21 A. Yes, they both did.

 

22 Q. They had the flu?

 

23 A. Yes.

 

24 Q. And were they in the room together the

 

25 entire time?

 

26 A. Yes.

 

27 Q. And when you went to France, did you go to

 

28 any other country, any other places in France, other 5633

 

1 than Monte Carlo?

 

2 A. We also went to Euro Disney outside of

 

3 Paris.

 

4 Q. And do you recall how long you were there?

 

5 A. A couple of days.

 

6 Q. Again, when you say “we,” you’re talking

 

7 about Jordan and Lily, and was the defendant with

 

8 you?

 

9 A. Yes, he was.

 

10 Q. And you say you spent a couple of days.

 

11 Where did Jordan sleep?

 

12 A. With Michael Jackson.

Next, Sneddon questioned June about her trip to New York in September 1993 to attend the wedding of her brother, a trip that she claimed Jackson accompanied her on. However, Jackson was away on tour in September 1993, and of course by then the false allegations had already been made public, so June obviously misspoke when she claimed that these events took place in September.

13 Q. Now, do you have a brother?

 

14 A. Yes, I do.

 

15 Q. What’s your brother’s name?

 

16 A. I have two brothers.

 

17 Q. What are their names?

 

18 A. Steven Wong and Dale Wong.

 

19 Q. And was there a time when one of your

 

20 brothers — where do they live? Let’s go that way.

 

21 A. One lives in Los Angeles. And the other

 

22 lives back east in New Jersey.

 

23 Q. And was there a time when you went back east

 

24 for a family wedding?

 

25 A. Yes.

 

26 Q. Do you remember about what month that was?

 

27 A. That was in September.

 

28 Q. And do you recall who it was who was getting 5634

 

1 married?

 

2 A. Yes.

 

3 Q. Who was that?

 

4 A. That was my brother Steve and his wife.

 

5 Q. And when you went back for the wedding, what

 

6 city did you go to?

 

7 A. We went to New York City.

 

8 Q. And when you went back there, who went with

 

9 you?

 

10 A. My son, my daughter, and myself.

 

11 Q. And when you first got there, where did you

 

12 stay?

 

13 A. We stayed in a hotel.

 

14 Q. Do you remember the name of the hotel?

 

15 A. Yes, The Rega Royal Hotel.

 

16 Q. And do you know who made the arrangements

 

17 for that hotel?

 

18 A. Yes, I do.

 

19 Q. Who was that?

 

20 A. Norma Stakos.

 

21 Q. And do you know who Mrs. Stakos is? Had you

 

22 had prior dealings with Mrs. Stakos?

 

23 A. Yes.

 

24 Q. On a number of occasions?

 

25 A. Telephone conversations only.

 

26 Q. And who did she work for?

 

27 A. She worked for Michael Jackson.

 

28 Q. And so she made the reservations for you at 5635

 

1 the hotel?

 

2 A. Yes.

 

3 Q. When did you learn that Mr. Jackson was

 

4 going to be with you in New York? Before or after

 

5 you left?

 

6 A. Before.

 

7 Q. Do you remember how many days before you

 

8 learned that?

 

9 A. Not really, no. I don’t remember.

 

10 Q. On the day of the actual wedding, was Mr.

 

11 Jackson there?

 

12 A. No, he was not.

 

13 Q. When did he show up in relationship to the

 

14 wedding?

 

15 A. After the wedding.

 

16 Q. Do you remember how many days he showed up,

 

17 how many days later?

 

18 A. It could be two days later.

 

19 Q. Now, when Mr. Jackson got there, did you see

 

20 him?

 

21 A. That evening briefly.

 

22 Q. Okay. Now, had something happened during

 

23 the time that you were in New York with your son

 

24 Jordan before Mr. Jackson arrived which caused some

 

25 problems in the family?

 

26 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Leading and

 

27 vague.

 

28 THE COURT: Overruled. 5636

 

1 You may answer.

 

2 THE WITNESS: Yes.

 

3 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: What was it?

 

4 A. Jordan was spending too much time with

 

5 Michael. I was getting upset. My brother was also

 

6 with me, and he was saying —

 

7 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; hearsay.

 

8 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Don’t tell us what he said,

 

9 but —

 

10 A. Okay.

 

11 Q. — could you describe his demeanor to us?

 

12 A. Jordan was not with us. He didn’t want to

 

13 be with us. He was very — he was sullen.

 

14 Q. Now, during this time, Mr. Jackson was not

 

15 there, correct?

 

16 A. Correct.

 

17 Q. And to your knowledge, from your own

18 personal knowledge, were Mr. Jackson and your son

 

19 Jordan in communication with each other during this

 

20 period of time?

 

21 A. Yes.

 

22 Q. By what method?

 

23 A. Telephone.

 

24 Q. And the frequency?

 

25 A. Often. Often. Long conversations.

 

26 Q. And was your brother upset by the situation,

 

27 too?

 

28 A. Yes. 5637

 

1 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading.

 

2 THE COURT: Sustained.

 

3 MR. MESEREAU: Move to strike.

 

4 THE COURT: Stricken.

 

5 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Could you describe to

 

6 the — describe your brother’s reaction to this

 

7 situation that was — that existed between Mr.

 

8 Jackson and your son Jordan.

 

9 A. Yes. My brother was happy for Jordan, but

 

10 he didn’t like that Jordie was just spending time

 

11 with Michael and not with his family.

 

12 Q. Now, when Mr. Jackson showed up in New York,

 

13 do you recall where he was staying?

 

14 A. Yes, he was staying across the hallway from

 

15 my room.

 

16 Q. And when Michael Jackson showed up, where

 

17 did Jordan sleep?

 

18 A. When Michael Jackson showed up, he slept in

 

19 Michael’s room.

 

20 Q. Now, when Mr. Jackson showed up the first

 

21 night, was there an incident that occurred in your

 

22 room?

 

23 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading.

 

24 THE WITNESS: My room?

 

25 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Yeah.

 

26 A. Yes, there was an incident.

 

27 MR. SNEDDON: You have to wait till the

 

28 Judge rules. 5638

 

1 THE COURT: Overruled.

 

2 You can answer.

 

3 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Okay, you can answer now.

 

4 A. Yes, there was an incident.

 

5 Q. Who was involved in the incident?

 

6 A. My daughter Lily —

 

7 Q. Okay.

 

8 A. — Michael and Jordan.

 

9 Q. And when you got back to your particular

 

10 room, did you notice any damage in the room?

 

11 A. Yes, I did.

 

12 Q. And what was damaged?

 

13 A. I noticed there was damage in the morning.

 

14 There were two lamps that were broken.

 

15 Q. Now, did you at some point talk to Mr.

 

16 Jackson about what had happened the night before?

 

17 A. Yes.

 

18 Q. And with regard to that conversation, did it

 

19 involve Jordan?

 

20 A. Yes, it did.

 

21 Q. And did it involve you?

 

22 A. Yes, it did.

 

23 Q. And did it involve Mr. Jackson?

 

24 A. Yes, it did.

 

25 Q. And the relationship between the two or

 

26 three of you?

 

27 A. Yes.

 

28 Q. Would you tell the jury what the 5639

 

1 conversation was about?

 

2 MR. MESEREAU: Objection to the extent it

 

3 calls for hearsay.

 

4 MR. SNEDDON: Your Honor, this involves the

 

5 defendant and it involves statements that he makes.

 

6 THE COURT: But that’s not the question you

 

7 asked. I’ll sustain the objection.

 

8 Excuse me. Sustain the objection.

 

9 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: All right. Let’s do it

 

10 this way. What did Mr. Jackson say about the

 

11 situation?

 

12 A. “Why can’t we be a family? Why are you

 

13 objecting to Jordie staying with me? Why can’t we

 

14 be a family? Why don’t you trust me?”

 

15 He was upset that I wanted my son back; that

 

16 I — I didn’t like the situation. It was getting

 

17 out of hand.

 

18 Q. Now, you’ve told the ladies and gentlemen of

 

19 the jury that Mr. Jackson had given you a bracelet

 

20 at one point in time and that you had gone shopping

 

21 with Mr. Jackson on his credit card in Monte Carlo.

 

22 Were there any other occasions when Mr.

 

23 Jackson gave you gifts?

 

24 A. Yes.

 

25 Q. What else did he give you?

 

26 A. He also gave me jewelry.

 

27 Q. And do you recall approximately when that

 

28 was? 5640

 

1 A. I think it was approximately in June.

 

2 Q. And what kind of jewelry?

 

3 A. A pair of earrings, a necklace, and a ring.

 

4 Q. And where were these items when you first

 

5 saw them?

 

6 A. The boxes were open on my bed in Santa

 

7 Monica.

 

8 Q. At your house?

 

9 A. Yes.

 

10 Q. Was Mr. Jackson staying at your house at

 

11 that point in time?

 

12 A. Not really. Not really. He was there, in

 

13 and out.

 

14 Q. In and out. Okay. Any other gifts you ever

 

15 received from Mr. Jackson?

 

16 A. Yes, a gift certificate to a store.

 

17 Q. And the store?

 

18 A. To a store.

 

19 Q. Yes. The store?

 

20 A. Fred Segal.

Here is what Ray Chandler had to say about this incident with the broken lamp in his book “All That Glitters”, pages 179-180 (“Kelly” is actually Lily Chandler, btw):

“By the way,” Dave interjected, “the police called me today: They wanted to talk to Kelly about the time in the hotel in New York, when Michael broke the lamp in front of Kelly and Jordie. He had a temper tantrum.”

Larry’s evidence-gathering ears perked up. “In New York? In a hotel?”

June related the story of how one night, when she returned to the hotel after an evening out with some old friends, she found two lamps shattered on the floor and the rest of the room trashed. Jordie and Michael told her Michael had been practicing karate kicks and got carried away.

But when June went to check on Kelly, who had been lying awake in bed in the adjoining room, the little girl told her mother that Michael had lost his temper and was yelling at Jordie and breaking things. Yet the next morning, after a little rehearsing from Michael and Jordie, Kelly changed her story and corroborated Michael’s.

It wasn’t until months later, after the molestation became public, that Jordie told his mother the truth. As it turned out, Kelly’s original account was correct. While June was out, Michael became enraged when he learned that June’s brother, a New Yorker who had come to visit at the hotel, found out that Michael and Jordie were sleeping together.

“That’s what pisses me off most,” Evan explained. “More important than the sex was the brainwashing. This kid had been changed so much that nobody really knew anything about him anymore. Michael was so slick he made Jordie slick. He fooled us all.”

“Right,” Larry said. “Let’s save that for the courtroom and get back to business. The only thing that will change all this is if Cochran calls.”

“Who’s that?” Evan asked.

“The black lawyer I was telling you about. Johnnie Cochran is a very wheelin’ dealin’ lawyer in town. A great guy. A very, very solid, honest guy.” “Do you think you can work out a deal?”

“That’s why I say there’s still a slim chance. This guy is a major player in

the black community.”

Did you notice that even while discussing Jackson’s alleged abuse, Feldman and Chandler both agreed that Johnnie Cochran calls, it would “change all of this”, i.e. they would accept a settlement in lieu of pressing charges! (Which they inevitably did anyway.)

To be continued: https://michaeljacksonvindication2.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/april-11th-2005-trial-analysis-bob-jones-stacy-brown-june-chandler-and-dwayne-swingler-part-2-of-4/