March 15th, 2005 Trial Analysis: Gavin Arvizo’s Testimony (Cross Examination), Terry Flaa, Jeff Klapakis, and Steve Robel (Direct & Cross Examination), Part 1 of 4
Mesereau continued his cross-examination of Jackson’s accuser Gavin Arvizo by asking if he knew the results of the DNA sample that he gave to sheriff’s investigators, and about yet another discrepancy between his grand jury and trial testimonies; Gavin told the grand jury that he wanted to do the press conference in February 2003 with Jackson, but he later testified that Jackson wanted to do it. Gavin stated that the reason he told the grand jury that he wanted to do it is because it was a joke, and Mesereau pounced on this revelation!
1 Santa Maria, California
2 Tuesday, March 15, 2005
3 8:30 a.m.
5 THE COURT: Good morning.
6 THE JURY: (In unison) Good morning.
7 THE COURT: You ready to proceed.
8 MR. MESEREAU: Yes, Your Honor.
9 Thank you, Your Honor.
11 GAVIN-ANTON ARVIZO
12 Having been previously sworn, resumed the
13 stand and testified further as follows:
15 CROSS-EXAMINATION (Continued)
16 BY MR. MESEREAU:
17 Q. Mr. Arvizo, when you claim you were
18 inappropriately touched by Mr. Jackson, you claim
19 there were no witnesses watching, correct.
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. Now, at some point, do you recall giving a
22 DNA swab to any Santa Barbara Sheriff.
23 A. Yes. They gave me a DNA swab.
24 Q. Do you know approximately when that was.
25 A. No.
26 Q. Did you ever learn what the results were of
27 any DNA testing.
28 A. No. 2021
1 Q. Did you ever discuss it with Prosecutor
3 A. No.
4 Q. Did you ever discuss it with any other
6 A. No.
7 Q. Did you ever discuss it with any sheriff.
8 A. No.
9 Q. How about any lawyer or paralegal.
10 A. No.
11 Q. Did you ever discuss it with any member of
12 your family.
13 A. No.
14 Q. So as you sit here today, you don’t know
15 what the results are of those DNA tests, right.
16 A. No.
17 Q. Okay. Now, you indicated that you were
18 upset that there was no press conference in Miami
19 when you and your family traveled to Miami to see
20 Michael Jackson, correct.
21 A. I said it wasn’t that big of a deal, because
22 I was already having fun.
23 Q. Well, you wanted a press conference in this
24 case, didn’t you.
25 A. Michael wanted it.
26 Q. No —
27 A. Michael told me he wanted it.
28 Q. Sir, when you were testifying before the 2022
1 grand jury, you wanted to give a press conference,
2 didn’t you.
3 A. No, I thought we were going to have a press
4 conference, because that’s what I was told.
5 Q. Do you remember telling Mr. Sneddon and the
6 grand jury that you wanted to have a press
8 A. I might have said that we wanted to have a
9 press conference, because Michael wanted to.
10 Q. Michael wanted to have a press conference
11 when you were in front of the grand jury; is that
12 what you’re saying.
13 You can answer the question.
14 A. No.
15 Q. Remember telling Mr. Sneddon, “Oh, man, I
16 was going to have a press conference”.
17 MR. SNEDDON: Excuse me, Your Honor. Could
18 we have a page reference on that, before Counsel
19 reads it.
20 MR. MESEREAU: Sure. Sure. It’s 449.
21 MR. SNEDDON: That’s fine.
22 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Okay. Do you remember
23 when you were in front of the Santa Barbara Grand
24 Jury, Mr. Sneddon told you there was an order that
25 you not talk to the media, and your response was,
26 “Oh, man, I was going to have a press conference”.
27 Do you remember that.
28 A. That was probably a joke. 2023
1 Q. That was a joke.
2 A. Yeah.
3 Q. So you’re in front of the Santa Barbara
4 Grand Jury talking about this case and you’re
5 telling a joke.
6 A. Yes.
Here is what he actually said about the press conference during his grand jury testimony on March 30th, 2004; he wasn’t referring to a press conference with Jackson, rather he was referring to wanting to do his own press conference after giving his grand jury testimony!
MR. SNEDDON: Please, if you would.
MADAM FOREPERSON: Before you leave I must caution you that you are not to discuss with anyone the content of your testimony that you have given this day before the Grand Jury. A violation of my instruction could be the basis of a charge of contempt of court against you. Do you understand?
THE WITNESS: Yes.
MADAM FOREPERSON: Thanks.
MR. SNEDDON: You know what contempt of court is?
THE WITNESS: (Shakes head from side to side.)
MR. SNEDDON: Let’s just go over that. A contempt of court would be a judge would get really angry.
THE WITNESS: Okay.
MR. SNEDDON: And he would call you on the carpet, and he could do a lot of things to you.
THE WITNESS: Okay.
MR. SNEDDON: None of which are good.
THE WITNESS: Okay.
MR. SNEDDON: Also, you know there’s a gag order in this case so you’re not allowed to hold any press conferences or talk to the media?
THE WITNESS: Oh man. I was going to have a press conference.
MR SNEDDON: All right. You’re free to go.
How many child abuse victims could “tell a joke” right after they are finished describing the abuse they suffered at the hands of a sexual predator? Do you think any of the victims of Jerry Sandusky told any “jokes” before wrapping up their testimony? I don’t think so!
Mesereau tried to ask Gavin about his behavior at Neverland, for example: Gavin and Star were once caught riding the Ferris wheel without permission and throwing rocks at the employees from atop of it, but Judge Melville sustained Sneddon’s objection to this line of questioning, so Mesereau had to move on. (You can read the interviews of Neverland employee Julio Avila and Marlon Brando’s daughter Prudence Brando on pages ; in those interviews they discussed the misbehavior of Gavin and Star at Neverland.) Next, he asked Gavin if he remembered being taken on shopping sprees by a reporter, and by Gary Hearn, who was Jackson’s chauffeur, but Gavin could not recall going on those shopping sprees (as usual):
7 Q. Okay. All right. Do you know someone who
8 worked at Neverland named Julio Avila.
9 A. I don’t remember.
10 Q. Do you remember that name at all.
11 A. I remember a guy that might have been named
12 Julio, but I forgot his name.
13 Q. Okay. And was he someone who worked around
14 the amusement rides.
15 A. Oh, yes. Well, he — he was the manager of
16 the whole Neverland, but then they moved him to the
17 amusement park, if we’re talking about the same guy.
18 Q. Do you remember anyone complaining about you
19 and Star —
20 MR. SNEDDON: Object, Your Honor. It’s a
21 violation of a 403 ruling.
22 MR. MESEREAU: I don’t think it is.
23 THE COURT: I’m not remembering this. Give
24 me another hint.
25 MR. MESEREAU: It has to do with behavior at
26 Neverland. Nonsexual nature.
27 THE COURT: All right. I’ll sustain the
28 objection. 2024
1 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Do you recall you and your
2 brother Star being picked up by a FOX News reporter
3 at your home.
4 A. No.
5 Q. Never happened.
6 A. Well, I have a friend that works for FOX
7 News, but —
8 Q. What’s your friend’s name.
9 A. Barbara.
10 Q. Barbara Schroeder.
11 A. I don’t know her last name.
12 Q. Do you recall being picked up by Barbara
13 Schroeder and taken for a spending spree.
14 A. I remember going to the movies with her and
15 her daughter.
16 Q. Do you remember she and another member of
17 the media treating you and your brother to shopping.
18 A. I have a friend that used to work for FOX
19 that I met at The Laugh Factory, but he works in,
20 like, cell phones or something.
21 Q. Do you recall Barbara Schroeder and another
22 representative of FOX News taking you and Star
23 shopping and paying your bills.
24 A. They weren’t representing FOX News to us.
25 They were our friends.
26 Q. Do you remember them taking you shopping and
27 paying your bills; yes or no.
28 A. I don’t remember them paying my bills. And 2025
1 I remember going to the movies with them. I don’t
2 remember going on shopping sprees.
3 Q. Where did you go with them.
4 A. We went to the movies.
5 Q. Where.
6 A. Galleria.
7 Q. Which galleria.
8 A. I don’t know. Somewhere in Los — Hollywood
10 Q. In Los Angeles, right.
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. Okay. And you’re saying they never took you
13 to any store and paid any bill for you.
14 A. No.
15 Q. Okay. You mentioned that someone named Gary
16 Hearn had driven you and your family from time to
17 time while you were at Neverland, correct.
18 A. Yeah, Gary drove us around.
19 Q. How many times do you recall Gary Hearn
20 driving you around.
21 A. I don’t remember.
22 Q. Was it five times. Ten times.
23 A. Well, no, it was less than that.
24 Q. Okay. And where do you remember Gary Hearn
25 driving you to.
26 A. I remember he drove us one time from the
27 hospital to Neverland, and once from our apartment
28 to Neverland. 2026
1 Q. Do you remember your being in his car and
2 your mother asking to stop so you could buy various
3 things at stores.
4 A. No.
5 Q. Don’t recall him ever stopping so anyone in
6 your family could go shopping.
7 A. No.
Next, Mesereau asked Gavin if he or his family complained about being held against their will to Officer Andrew Lassak of the LAPD, and of course Gavin couldn’t remember. He was a friend of the family, and visited the Arvizos at their home during one of their “escapes” from Neverland:
8 Q. Okay. Do you know someone named Andrew
10 A. No.
11 Q. Okay. Now, you mentioned —
12 A. Lassak. Police officer.
13 Q. Yes. Do you know him.
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. How did you meet him.
16 A. He was an LAPD officer that — I forgot,
17 really, how we met him. I think he was — I don’t
18 know. My mom met him or something, and then he
19 visited us a lot.
20 Q. Do you know approximately when you first met
21 this LAPD officer, Mr. Lassak.
22 A. After my father left. A few months after my
23 father left, after I finished chemotherapy.
24 Q. And he was a friend of your family, correct.
25 A. Yes.
26 Q. He used to visit your house, correct.
27 A. Yes.
28 Q. You spoke to him, right. 2027
1 A. Yes.
2 Q. You saw your brother and sister speak to
3 him, didn’t you.
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. And you saw your mother speak to him, right.
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. Do you recall anyone ever complaining to Los
8 Angeles Police Officer Andrew Lassak that anyone was
9 being held against their will.
10 MR. SNEDDON: Your Honor, I’m going to
11 object to the question as vague as to time frame.
12 MR. MESEREAU: I’ll rephrase it, Your Honor.
13 THE COURT: All right.
14 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: During the period you
15 claim you escaped from Neverland three times, do you
16 recall anyone in your family ever complaining to
17 LAPD Officer Andrew Lassak that anyone was being
18 mistreated or held against their will.
19 A. His name is Lassak, and I don’t remember
20 anything happening like that.
In his next series of questions, Mesereau ask Gavin to confirm if he had been caught drinking in the kitchen by employees (Gavin denied this, as usual), if he rested his head on Jackson’s shoulder during a meeting with Brett Ratner and asked if he could accompany them to Miami (Gavin denied both), if he had ever asked Chris Tucker for money or if he had told him that he wanted to see Jackson in Miami (Gavin denied this), and if he remembered asking actress Vernee Watson for money (Gavin didn’t remember.) Watson also taught Gavin during her acting classes.
21 Q. Okay. Now, correct me if I’m wrong, I think
22 you testified that you used to stay up — let me
23 rephrase that.
24 You would end up staying up most of the
25 night when you were at Neverland, correct.
26 A. Sometimes.
27 Q. Not all the time.
28 A. No. 2028
1 Q. Isn’t it true that you and your brother
2 would sometimes roam around the main house starting
3 at 7:00 a.m. in the morning.
4 A. The cooks — the chefs would be in there
5 like 6:30 or 7:00 or something, and then we’d go in
6 there to eat breakfast.
7 Q. Okay. And how often do you remember doing
9 A. Every morning when we would eat breakfast.
10 Q. Do you know someone named Shane Meredith.
11 A. No.
12 Q. Never knew an employee named Shane Meredith
13 at Neverland.
14 A. If I did, I don’t remember that.
15 Q. He caught you with an open bottle of alcohol
16 at Neverland, didn’t he, when Michael Jackson wasn’t
17 even around.
18 A. No.
19 Q. Now, you talked yesterday about someone
20 named Brett Ratner. Do you remember that.
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. And he was working on a Rush Hour movie,
24 A. Yes, he was the director for both of them.
25 Q. And you met Brett Ratner at Neverland one
26 time, right.
27 A. Yes, he came to Neverland once.
28 Q. And you saw him in the library, right. 2029
1 A. Michael and him were in the library, and
2 they told me to go there.
3 Q. You saw him in the library with Michael,
5 A. They told me to go in there.
6 Q. Okay. And you sat down next to Michael
7 Jackson, didn’t you.
8 A. I sat on the couch. I sat on this red couch
9 and Michael was sitting here on the seat, and Brett
10 Ratner was sitting here also.
11 Q. At one point during that meeting, you rested
12 your head on Michael Jackson’s shoulder, didn’t you.
13 A. No. It was early in the morning, and I
14 was — we were sitting — he was sitting on another
16 Q. And you asked if you could go with Michael
17 and Brett Ratner to Florida, didn’t you.
18 A. I don’t remember asking that.
19 Q. You don’t remember it or you’re not sure you
20 did it.
21 A. I don’t remember ever asking that.
22 Q. Okay. Do you remember hearing your mother
23 tell Jesus Salas that she was very concerned about
24 all the media attention.
25 A. I don’t remember. I remember my mom would
26 say stuff like that, but — she didn’t really like
27 it, but, I mean, I don’t remember if she did say it
28 to Jesus Salas. 2030
1 Q. Okay. Now, you indicated that you would get
2 to the kitchen sometimes early in the morning,
4 A. Well, yeah. Me and a bunch of other people,
5 when we wanted to eat breakfast.
6 Q. Now, you and your brother often would cook
7 for yourselves, correct.
8 A. We wouldn’t really cook. We might grab an
9 apple or some ice cream, but we wouldn’t cook.
10 Q. Ever see your brother Star cook in that
12 A. No.
13 Q. Do you remember ever telling Chris Tucker
14 that you didn’t make any money from the fund-raiser.
15 A. No. Well, what fund-raising.
16 Q. Fund-raiser for you at The Laugh Factory.
17 A. No, because we did make money at The Laugh
19 Q. Yes. So you never told Chris Tucker, “We
20 didn’t make any money from the fund-raiser”.
21 A. Why would I say that when we did. No, I
22 never said that.
23 Q. Okay. Do you recall yourself asking Chris
24 Tucker for money.
25 A. No.
26 Q. Do you remember telling Chris Tucker that
27 your family was being hounded by the media and could
28 not leave your house. 2031
1 A. No.
2 Q. Never said that.
3 A. I might have told them about some media
4 people that were around our house, but, I mean —
5 Q. Do you remember telling Chris Tucker the
6 media was hounding your family and there was no
7 place for you people to go.
8 A. No. Because —
9 Q. Never said that.
10 A. I might have talked to him about some guy
11 that was holding a camera outside of my house, but,
12 I mean —
13 Q. Do you remember telling Chris Tucker that
14 your family had nowhere to go.
15 A. No.
16 Q. Do you remember telling Chris Tucker that
17 you knew Michael Jackson was in Miami and you wanted
18 to go see him.
19 A. No. Well, I — well, the first time I flew
20 in his plane over to Miami, so I don’t know if
21 you’re trying to talk about that or what.
22 Q. Well, before you flew on Chris Tucker’s
23 plane to Miami, do you remember telling Chris Tucker
24 that you wanted to go to Florida to see Michael
26 A. No.
27 Q. Never said that.
28 A. Michael called, and they arranged it so that 2032
1 we can go on Chris’s plane.
2 Q. But you never told Chris you wanted to go
3 see Michael in Florida, right.
4 A. I don’t remember if I said in those exact
6 Q. Okay. Do you know Vernee Watson.
7 A. I kind of remember her name. But —
8 Q. She was an acting teacher for you, wasn’t
10 A. Was she on a show with Will Smith, the Fresh
11 Prince of Bel Air show.
12 Q. Excuse me, I couldn’t understand what you
14 A. I think I remember who she is, but I don’t
16 Q. Did she teach you acting at a school owned
17 by Belinda Johnson.
18 A. I went to some — I mean, I don’t know if
19 we’re talking about the same Renee Watson.
20 Q. Just asking you if you know someone named
23 haven’t —
24 Q. Do you know who she is.
25 A. As I said, I kind of think I do, but I don’t
26 know if it’s that person — if that name goes with
27 that face.
28 Q. Well, can you please describe the Vernee 2033
1 Watson that you know.
2 A. She has like dreadlocks and she’s
3 African-American. And she — she played Will
4 Smith’s mother on Fresh Prince of Bel Air. And —
6 Q. And how do you know her.
7 A. I don’t remember. She’s been our friend for
8 a long time.
9 Q. Is she still your friend.
10 A. Um, we — we haven’t called her in a while.
11 But I think I met her through a dance company, a
12 dance class — a dance studio I was with.
13 Q. Do you recall ever asking her for money.
14 A. No.
15 Q. Do you recall your mother ever asking Vernee
16 Watson for money.
17 A. No.
As Mesereau continued to bombard Gavin with questions about why he never complained to anyone that his family was being held against his will as they went on numerous shopping sprees, Gavin admitted that he was “happy to be at Neverland all the time” and that he “liked being at Neverland. That was like Disneyland.” But then he claimed that it wasn’t until the last escape that he realized that he didn’t want to be there!
5 Q. Okay. Do you recall you, your brother, your
6 sister and your mother going to a dental office
7 around February 24th, 2003.
8 A. I remember we might have went to a dental
9 office. I mean, I used to have braces.
10 Q. And you went to that office to have your
11 braces removed, right.
12 A. I believe so.
13 Q. Pardon me.
14 A. I believe so.
15 Q. Okay. Well, do you remember going there
16 from Neverland.
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. And it was a Dr. Seamont you went to, right.
19 A. I don’t know.
20 Q. He was not too far from Neverland, right.
21 A. I think they were in Solvang.
22 Q. And you had your braces removed, right.
23 A. Yes. Because my teeth started separating
24 because the wires were all broken.
25 Q. And who took you to that dental office.
26 A. I think it was Frank.
27 Q. Do you know the approximate date.
28 A. No. 2036
1 Q. And you left Neverland and went into town
2 that day about 2:34 in the afternoon, right.
3 A. I don’t know.
4 Q. Okay. And do you remember how long you were
5 away that day, from Neverland.
6 A. I don’t know.
7 Q. It was about five and a half hours, wasn’t
9 A. As I said, I don’t know.
10 Q. Okay. Do you remember stopping in Solvang.
11 A. I thought that’s what the orthodontist was,
12 in Solvang.
13 Q. Do you remember, when you left the office,
14 going anywhere else.
15 A. No.
16 Q. Do you remember anybody complaining at the
17 office that anyone in your family was being held
18 against their will.
19 A. I don’t remember.
20 Q. Did you have dinner or any meal in Solvang.
21 A. I don’t remember having a dinner or a meal.
22 Q. Do you remember going shopping in Solvang
23 that day.
24 A. No.
25 Q. No.
26 A. No.
27 Q. Now, your mother was mad at your L.A.
28 dentist that put the braces on originally, right. 2037
1 A. I don’t know if she was mad at him.
2 Q. You never noticed that at all.
3 A. No.
4 Q. Okay. Do you know who paid for your dental
5 work in Solvang on that day.
6 A. I don’t know who paid for it.
7 Q. And your mother was there, right.
8 A. I think so.
9 Q. Davellin was there, right.
10 A. I think so.
11 Q. And Star was there, right.
12 A. I think so.
13 Q. Okay.
14 A. They never — they hardly ever let us be
15 apart. They wanted to keep us together.
16 Q. Excuse me.
17 A. They never wanted us to be in separate
18 areas. They always wanted to keep us together.
19 Q. Well, remember you went to Toys R Us with
21 A. Yeah, I remember.
22 Q. Your mother wasn’t there.
23 A. My mom was at Neverland, where they can
24 still keep her.
25 Q. Oh, was your mother on the trip to Toys R
27 A. No, she was in Neverland in her unit, where
28 they could still keep her and watch her. 2038
1 Q. I see. So you went into town with Michael
2 Jackson, correct.
3 A. Yeah. Michael took us to Toys R Us.
4 Q. You picked up some fans, correct, on the
6 A. Yeah, Michael invited some people into
7 our — the thing.
8 Q. You never complained to anyone in the store
9 or any of these fans that anyone was being held
10 against their will, correct.
11 A. I was actually happy to be at Neverland all
12 the time.
13 Q. And you were happy to go —
14 A. That’s something you don’t really
15 understand, is that the majority of those times
16 was — the first few escapes that you talk about,
17 I liked being at Neverland. That was like
18 Disneyland. I loved being there. I had lots of
20 I mean, my mom was the one always worried.
21 It wasn’t until the last time that I realized
22 “I don’t want to be here.”
23 Q. Your mother was worried, but she always came
24 back, right. Right.
25 A. I guess so.
Later on, Mesereau asked Gavin about his recollection of why he didn’t ask for help when he was at the dentist’s office getting his braces removed, and he then pivoted to the topic of the Neverland Valley guest book that he and Star defaced while they were at Neverland. Gavin denied defacing it, and claimed that his brother probably did it. Mesereau then challenged Gavin about the authenticity of a comment that looked as if it was written by Gavin, but was admonished by Judge Melville for “testifying” (lawyers have strict guidelines that they must follow when cross-examining witnesses, and they cannot make assumptions, as Mesereau did in the following excerpt by saying that a letter looked like an “F”.)
16 MR. MESEREAU: Oh. Here we go again.
17 I have in front of me Defense Exhibit 5031,
18 which is a Neverland Valley guest book.
19 May I approach the witness.
20 THE COURT: Yes.
21 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Mr. Arvizo, I’m showing
22 you a Neverland Valley guest book that’s listed as
23 Exhibit 5031. Have you seen that before.
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. Where have you seen this before.
26 A. In the front of the — the — where you walk
27 in the front entrance, there’s like this podium-type
28 thing, and it sat on there.6. 2045
2 Q. Now, there’s some writing on the cover of
3 that book. Do you see that.
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. Is that your writing.
6 A. No.
7 Q. You didn’t write that.
8 A. No. That’s my brother’s, I think.
9 Q. Well, it says “Gavin,” doesn’t it.
10 A. Yeah.
11 Q. You didn’t write that.
12 A. It says “Blow Hole and Gavin.”
13 Q. Okay. Do you know who wrote that.
14 A. “Blow Hole’s” my brother.
15 Q. You didn’t write that at all.
16 A. No.
17 Q. Okay. Do you know why your brother wrote on
18 the cover of the guest book.
19 A. Because it looked cool. Because it’s on the
20 part where you can see it. I don’t know. You
21 should ask my brother.
22 Q. Did you see him do that.
23 A. No.
24 Q. Did you ever talk to him about it.
25 A. No.
26 Q. Now, you had looked through this guest book
27 before, correct.
28 A. I didn’t really look through it, but I 2046
1 signed it once.
2 Q. Okay. So your signature would be in there.
3 A. I don’t know if my signature would be in
4 there. But I remember —
5 Q. I’m sorry.
6 A. I don’t know if my signature was in there,
7 but I remember saying, like, “Thanks for letting us
8 come to Neverland,” and it was the first time I’d
9 ever been to Neverland.
10 Q. Okay. But this is the book you saw at
11 Neverland, right.
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. Okay.
14 Move to admit Defense Exhibit 5031.
15 MR. SNEDDON: Your Honor, I have no
16 objection to either option. They can put in a
17 photocopy of the front, which is what he was
18 questioned about, but as to the entire contents, I
20 THE COURT: All right. The objection is
21 sustained as to the contents.
22 MR. MESEREAU: Okay. With your permission,
21 Vernee Watson.
22 A. I kind of remember her name. But, I mean, I
23 Your Honor, we can just get a duplicate of the
25 THE COURT: That would be fine.
26 MR. MESEREAU: Okay. Okay.
27 THE COURT: You can leave — is there an
28 agreement that once he gets the duplicate of the 2047
1 cover, that he can exchange the duplicate for the
2 original and remove the original. Or do you want to
3 wait until the end of the trial for that.
4 MR. SNEDDON: No, that would be fine, Your
5 Honor. I’m just at a little bit — “duplicate”
6 meaning —
7 THE COURT: The duplicate of the cover is
8 what he was saying.
9 MR. MESEREAU: Yeah.
10 MR. SNEDDON: Will it have the same writing
11 on it.
12 THE COURT: “Duplicate” usually means the
13 same. I mean, it’s a duplicate.
14 MR. SNEDDON: All right. I’ll wait till the
15 duplicate comes in, and we can talk about it then.
16 How’s that.
17 THE COURT: Okay. All right. Go ahead,
19 MR. MESEREAU: Thank you, Your Honor.
20 Q. Mr. Arvizo, according to you, it’s your
21 brother’s handwriting, right.
22 A. It kind of looks like it. But I don’t know
23 if it is.
24 Q. And it says, “Hi, Doe-Doe, it’s your Blow
25 Hole. I love with you all my heart. Love forever,
26 your Blow Hole, Gavin.” Do you see that.
27 A. It says “Blow Hole and Gavin.” It doesn’t
28 say “Blow Hole” — 2048
1 Q. It looks like an “F.”
2 THE COURT: Counsel, you’re testifying.
3 MR. MESEREAU: I’m sorry, Your Honor. Okay.
4 Q. You didn’t see your brother do this, right.
5 A. No —
6 MR. SNEDDON: Asked and answered, Your
8 THE COURT: Sustained.
In this excerpt, Mesereau questioned Gavin about the mannequin that he and Star claimed that Jackson simulated sexual acts upon, and asked Gavin if he knew who defaced it by taking a magic marker and smearing it near the vaginal area. Gavin denied any knowledge of it, and Mesereau specifically asked Gavin why Star defaced it, which prompted an immediate objection from Sneddon, who claimed that Mesereau was testifying again, and Judge Melville agreed and sustained his objection.
9 MR. MESEREAU: Your Honor, I have in front
10 of me an exhibit, No. 5032, which is a photocopy of
11 a mannequin.
12 I’d like to approach the witness, if I may.
13 Q. Mr. Arvizo, I’m showing you a document
14 that’s labeled Exhibit 5032. Do you see that.
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. And that appears to be a photograph of a
17 mannequin, correct.
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. Appears to be an African-American girl with
20 braids, right.
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. With a blue jean jacket, right.
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. And a pink shirt. Do you see that.
25 A. Yes.
26 Q. Have you seen that mannequin before.
27 A. Yes, I saw it in Michael’s bedroom.
28 Q. Is that the mannequin that you’re claiming 2049
1 Mr. Jackson simulated a sex act with.
2 A. Yes.
3 Q. Okay. Now, did you ever discuss with Mr.
4 Jackson where that mannequin came from.
5 A. No. He said that — there was a bunch of
6 mannequins all over his bedroom.
7 Q. Well, did he ever tell you this was
8 something that was custom made and it’s a mannequin
9 of a cousin of his.
10 A. No. He just said that he has lots of
12 Q. So you never discussed with him what this
13 mannequin was all about, right.
14 A. No.
15 Q. You never knew that this mannequin was
16 something that was paid for and custom made because
17 it’s his cousin.
18 A. He never told me that.
19 Q. Okay. Okay. When did you first see this
21 A. In his bedroom. Where the bed actually is.
22 Q. And do you know approximately when that was.
23 A. I don’t — probably the first time I went in
24 his room I saw it there. And then the second time I
25 was in his room. All the way after Miami was when
26 we made the joke about it.
27 Q. At some point you learned that somebody had
28 defaced that mannequin, right. 2050
1 A. Defaced. What do you mean.
2 Q. Yes. Somebody had taken like a magic marker
3 and messed up that mannequin, right.
4 A. No, I don’t remember that.
5 MR. MESEREAU: Your Honor, at this time I’d
6 like to approach the witness and show him Exhibit
7 No. 5033, which is a photograph —
8 THE COURT: All right.
9 MR. MESEREAU: — of a mannequin as well.
10 Q. Mr. Arvizo, I’m showing you Defense
11 Exhibit No. 5033. Do you see that.
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. And do you see where somebody went into the
14 vaginal portion of that mannequin and defaced it
15 with a magic marker.
16 A. Yes. I see that, I guess.
17 Q. You know who did that, don’t you.
18 A. No.
19 MR. MESEREAU: May I publish this, Your
21 THE COURT: No.
22 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: You don’t know who did
23 that at all.
24 A. No.
25 Q. You didn’t do it.
26 A. No.
27 Q. Your brother didn’t do it.
28 A. No. 2051
1 MR. MESEREAU: May I approach one more time.
2 THE COURT: Yes.
3 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Do you see the skirt on
4 the mannequin in Defense Exhibit 5032.
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. Same material as you see on the mannequin in
7 Defense Exhibit 5033, right.
8 A. I guess so. Yeah.
9 Q. But you’ve never seen this defaced
10 portion —
11 A. No.
12 Q. — right.
13 A. No. No.
14 Q. Do you know why your brother defaced the
15 guest book.
16 MR. SNEDDON: Your Honor, I’m going to
17 object. Counsel’s testifying. And he’s already
18 said he didn’t do it.
19 MR. MESEREAU: I didn’t ask if he did it.
20 THE COURT: Sustained; calls for speculation.
21 MR. MESEREAU: Okay. Move to admit Defense
22 Exhibits 5032 and 5033, Your Honor.
23 THE COURT: They haven’t been properly
24 identified. So it’s denied.
25 MR. MESEREAU: Exhibit 5032 is the
26 photograph of the mannequin that I showed
27 Mr. Sneddon.
28 THE COURT: That one is admitted. 2052
1 MR. MESEREAU: And 5033 is also a photograph
2 of the same mannequin.
3 THE COURT: But it hasn’t been identified as
4 to the marking you’re talking about. He has never
5 seen it that way, so we don’t know who did it, when
6 it was done. There’s no foundation.
7 MR. MESEREAU: We’ll do it — we’ll do it
8 later, then.
9 THE COURT: All right. No foundation.
10 MR. MESEREAU: Okay. All right.
Mesereau’s initial cross-examination ended here, after he questioned Gavin on if he knew why Jackson wore makeup, and he gave an answer that should really make readers feel even more compassion towards Jackson: Gavin said that he knew Jackson wore lipstick because he had no pigmentation in his lips, which really puts everything into perspective. Jackson was oftentimes ridiculed for wanting to look effeminate, but Gavin just confirmed (and not that anyone needed his confirmation!) that Jackson had a legitimate reason to wear that lipstick and makeup!
Also, pay attention to how Gavin says that he didn’t know that Jackson had patches on his skin from vitiligo, and that he thought Jackson was “all white”. Remember, Gavin claimed that he saw Jackson allegedly run into the bedroom fully nude and with an erection as he and Star watched television, and if they had truly seen Jackson naked, they would have known that Jackson had those patches! Gavin just unknowingly shot himself in the foot again!
On a personal note, I am absolutely stunned that Sneddon did not try to ask Gavin and Star to describe Jackson’s penis so that he could execute another strip search on Jackson to see if it matched! It’s probably due to the fact that they both claimed that they didn’t get a good luck at Jackson’s penis because they were so uncomfortable that they ran out of the room. (That’s their side of the story; according to Sneddon’s opening statement, it was Jackson who ran out of the room!)
Here’s what Gavin said under direct examination about seeing Jackson nude:
22 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Was — was there ever any
23 occasion where you had — well, was there ever an
24 occasion where you saw anything with regard to
25 Mr. Jackson coming up the stairs.
26 A. Yes.
27 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; vague.
28 THE COURT: Overruled. 1650
1 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: And where were you when you
2 saw Mr. Jackson coming up the stairs.
3 A. Me and my brother were laying on the bed.
4 Q. And what were you doing.
5 A. I think we were just laying there.
6 Q. All right. And when Mr. Jackson came up the
7 stairs, did you notice anything.
8 A. Yeah, he was naked.
9 Q. When you say “naked,” what do you mean by
11 A. Like, not clothes on.
12 Q. Did Mr. Jackson do or say anything at that
13 point in time.
14 A. No, he just ran up and just got something
15 and went back down.
16 Q. I’m sorry.
17 A. I think he just ran up there and got
18 something and went back downstairs.
That is a complete contradiction to Sneddon’s opening statement! Sneddon claimed that Star and Gavin ran downstairs after Jackson retrieved the item he was looking for in his bedroom! Here’s the excerpt:
11 It’s in this room and on that bed where the
12 boys were sitting there watching T.V. one night, and
13 all of a sudden, the defendant appears from the
14 stairwell, absolutely stark naked, with an erection.
15 And when the boys look at him – and Star will say he
16 was grossed out – that the defendant says, “It’s
17 natural. It’s okay. Why don’t you boys do the same
18 thing.” Their response was to get up from the bed
19 and go downstairs and pretend like they had to go to
20 the bathroom.
And here is what Gavin had to say under cross examination about Jackson’s “all white” body that he claimed to witness when Jackson allegedly ran into the bedroom in the nude:
11 Q. Finally, Mr. Arvizo, in your direct
12 examination, you commented a couple of times on
13 Mr. Jackson wearing makeup. Do you remember that.
14 A. Here.
15 Q. When you were answering Prosecutor Sneddon’s
16 questions, a couple of times you used the word
17 “makeup” in referring to Michael Jackson, right.
18 A. I said one time when he was — a story about
19 a time when we were in the room where his makeup
20 was, but I don’t remember me saying it a lot of
22 Q. Now, you knew that Michael Jackson has a
23 skin disease called vitiligo, right.
24 A. He told me about it.
25 Q. And he told you that he’s an
26 African-American man with a skin disease that eats
27 up pigment in his skin, correct.
28 A. Yes. 2053
1 Q. And you knew that that disease was causing
2 certain patches of white and brown on his skin,
4 A. Yes. I guess.
5 Q. And —
6 A. I don’t know. It’s not like I was making
7 fun of him yesterday, if that’s what you’re trying
8 to imply.
9 Q. Well, you knew that his skin is vulnerable
10 to sunlight, correct.
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. And that’s why you see him with an umbrella,
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. And you also knew, because of the patches
16 that appear on his skin from that disease, he does
17 sometimes put some makeup on, right.
18 A. I didn’t know about patches. I thought he
19 was just all white.
20 Q. Well, you discussed the skin disease with
21 him, right.
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. You knew the skin disease was changing the
24 color of his skin, right.
25 A. That’s what he told me.
26 Q. And you knew that’s why he put makeup on;
28 A. Not really. I thought it was just because 2054
1 he had, like — because he — he didn’t have pink on
2 his lips, so he would put makeup on his lips.
3 I mean, I wasn’t making fun of him
4 yesterday, if that’s what you are trying to say.
5 Q. You weren’t making fun of him at all.
6 A. No.
Finally, Mesereau asked Gavin if he had ever discussed the fact that he had until 18 to file a civil lawsuit against Jackson with his mother or attorney, and he denied it as well. However, it will be proven later on in this trail that a civil lawsuit against Jackson was indeed discussed before police were notified by Dr. Katz.
7 Q. Okay. Now, you’re aware, are you not, that
8 you have until the age of 18 to file a lawsuit
9 against Mr. Jackson if you choose to, correct.
10 A. No.
11 Q. You’ve never discussed that with your
13 A. No.
14 Q. Never discussed that with Larry Feldman, the
16 A. No.
17 Q. And never discussed it with Bill Dickerman,
18 the attorney.
19 A. No.
20 Q. Okay. You’re also aware that if Mr. Jackson
21 is convicted, you could automatically win that civil
22 suit, right.
23 A. No.
24 Q. No one’s ever discussed that with you.
25 A. No. We said things like, oh, we don’t want
26 his money, and stuff like that.
27 Q. Never discussed that issue with any
28 attorney, right. 2055
1 A. No.
2 Q. First time you’ve heard about it.
3 A. About that I can — you just told me now
4 that I can sue him till I’m 18 or something like
5 that. I didn’t even know about that stuff.
6 Q. Didn’t even know about that, right. And
7 never heard your mother mention it.
8 A. No.
9 MR. MESEREAU: No further questions.
10 THE COURT: Redirect.
11 MR. SNEDDON: Yes.
Sneddon began his redirect-examination by asking Gavin to explain why he never spoke to anyone outside of his family about the case:
13 REDIRECT EXAMINATION
14 BY MR. SNEDDON:
15 Q. Morning, Gavin.
16 A. Hey, Tom.
17 Q. I’m going to ask you just a few questions.
18 It won’t be long.
19 First of all, with regard to this particular
20 case, Mr. Mesereau has asked you a lot of questions
21 about did you have conversations with your brother
22 and your mother and other people about what you’ve
23 testified here in court today.
24 A. Uh-huh.
25 Q. Do you recall those questions.
26 A. Yes.
27 Q. And you said you did not.
28 A. Yes. 2056
1 Q. Were you given some instructions with regard
2 to who you could talk to and who you couldn’t talk
3 to about this case.
4 A. You guys told us that we can’t talk to
5 anybody about this case. Well, our family and —
6 anyone that was, like, involved; you know what I
8 Q. When were you told that.
9 A. When the case first started.
10 Q. So from the time you were first involved in
11 the case till today, those were the instructions you
12 were given.
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. And have you followed those instructions
16 A. Yes.
In this excerpt, Gavin is asked to confirm that he really told the truth during his grand jury testimony (and by saying he was telling the truth during the grand jury testimony, Gavin is also admitting that he was lying throughout his trial testimony whenever contradictions were established, such as Gavin stating that his grandmother told him he must masturbate, but then attributing that statement to Jackson during the trial.)
9 Q. Gavin, when you testified in front of the
10 grand jury, did you tell the truth.
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. And when you testified in front of the grand
13 jury, were the things that you told the grand jury
14 fresh in your mind at that time.
15 A. They were probably fresher.
16 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading.
17 MR. SNEDDON: Your Honor, I’m laying the
18 foundation for an Evidence Code section exception.
19 THE COURT: All right. The objection is
20 overruled. The answer was already in. Next
Ironically, Gavin claimed that he “grew closer to God” when he battled cancer, and described how he had numerous people praying for him:
2 Q. Yesterday you made a statement to the jury
3 in response to one of Mr. Mesereau’s statements.
4 You made a statement something to the effect, “God
5 gave me cancer to guide me in a certain way.” Do
6 you recall that.
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. What did you mean by that.
9 A. Well, through — when I had cancer, I got
10 really close to God.
11 And they had like missions all over the West
12 Coast down to Mexico praying for me. They had —
13 I don’t know. Something happened where they had a
14 picture and they put on a wall.
15 And then my friend went to Israel and put a
16 picture on this wall where they put, like, all these
17 people that have, like, diseases and stuff like
19 And then — I don’t know. Because of my
20 cancer, my parents started fighting more, I guess.
21 And — I mean, it sounds kind of sad that they got
22 divorced, but, I mean, it was kind of a window, I
23 believe, to find my stepdad and — because it’s a
24 lot better than it was before having my stepdad in
25 my life.
And he’s still “close to God” now, according to Ron Zonen! He gave a brief update on Gavin’s status in this interview from April 2011:
Here’s a sign of Gavin’s “conservatism” from his Facebook page:
Next, Sneddon told Gavin to describe how he was treated at school by his classmates after the Bashir documentary aired:
8 Q. Now, when you went back to school after you
9 left Neverland Ranch – okay. —
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. — March and April, you were at John
12 Burroughs, correct.
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. Did — what was — what was it like when you
15 went back to school.
16 A. All the kids would laugh at me and try to
17 push me around and stuff, and say, “That’s the kid
18 that got raped by Michael Jackson,” and stuff like
20 Q. Did — what was your reaction to that.
21 A. I would sometimes not say anything and just
22 walk away. And if they got close enough, sometimes
23 I would fight them. After they hit me first,
24 because I didn’t like to throw the first punch,
25 because I believe that — I mean —
26 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; nonresponsive.
27 THE COURT: I’ll sustain the objection.
28 In the middle, “After they hit me first,” is where 2069
1 it stops.
2 MR. SNEDDON: Thank you, Your Honor.
3 Q. So there were fights that you got into after
4 you left Neverland Valley Ranch because of the
5 things that the kids were saying to you.
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. And when you get in a fight, what happens.
8 Where do you have to go.
9 A. They took us to Dean Alpert.
Next, Gavin admits to Sneddon that he really did deny to his principal that he had been abused by Jackson, but only because he was already getting teased:
10 Q. Now, you were asked yesterday whether you
11 had a conversation with Dean Alpert where he asked
12 you whether or not Mr. Jackson had touched you. Do
13 you recall that.
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. And you recall that you probably told him it
16 didn’t happen, correct.
17 A. I told him that it didn’t happen.
18 Q. Okay. You told him it didn’t happen.
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. Okay. Why did you tell him that.
21 A. Because all the kids were already making fun
22 of me in school, and I didn’t want anybody to think
23 that it really happened.
But yesterday during Mesereau’s cross examination, Gavin said he couldn’t remember where he spoke with his principal at, or what exactly he said!
27 Q. Where did the discussion with Dean Alpert
28 take place. 1819
1 A. I don’t remember. It was probably in his
3 Q. Okay. And the purpose of the discussion was
4 what, if you know.
5 A. It was probably about Michael.
6 Q. Okay. You say “probably about Michael”.
7 A. Uh-huh.
8 Q. But you’re not sure.
9 A. I’m not sure what the whole conversation was
11 Q. Okay. But sometime in that conversation,
12 Dean Alpert looked you in the eye and said, “Are
13 these allegations that Mr. Jackson sexually abused
14 you true,” right.
15 A. Uh-huh.
16 Q. And you said they were not true, right.
17 A. Yeah. I told him that Michael didn’t do
18 anything to me.
19 Q. Okay. Mr. Alpert asked you twice whether or
20 not Michael Jackson had ever done anything of a
21 sexual nature to you, correct.
22 A. I don’t know if he asked me twice.
23 Q. Well, the first time he asked you, you shook
24 your head “No,” right.
25 A. I don’t know.
26 Q. And the second time he asked you, you said
27 to him, “No, he did not touch me in any sexually
28 inappropriate way,” correct. 1820
1 A. I don’t know.
2 Q. You don’t know.
3 A. I’m pretty sure I told him that.
4 Q. Okay.
5 A. But, I mean, I don’t know how exactly it
As Sneddon moves on to the next subject, notice how he starts off by saying “Just a couple more easy questions”, which is symptomatic of how he questioned Gavin throughout his police interviews, grand jury testimony, and direct examination. The first “easy question” that he asked Gavin was to recall the number of times he shopped at Anchor Blue during his “imprisonment” at Neverland, and Gavin answered that he recalled shopping there once:
6 Q. Almost done. Just a couple more easy
7 questions and —
8 Mr. Mesereau asked you yesterday about going
9 to Anchor Blue. Do you recall that.
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. How many times do you recall going to shop
12 at Anchor Blue.
13 A. Once.
However, under Mesereau’s earlier cross-examination, Gavin couldn’t remember if he shopped at Anchor Blue, or any other store!
19 Q. Okay. Do you remember seeing a movie called
20 Old School around March 1st, 2003.
21 A. A little bit.
22 Q. Your mother, your brother, your sister and
23 you went to that movie theater, right.
24 A. I don’t really remember.
25 Q. You also went to Anchor Blue that day,
27 A. I believe so. I guess.
Gavin then went on to describe the articles of clothing that were missing from his suitcase that was packed but left at Neverland during his final “escape”, but subsequently delivered to his home by Frank Cascio and Vincent Amen. He named underwear, shirts, and pants that were missing from the suitcase, but Sneddon was only interested in knowing if Gavin had spoken to Jackson about the missing underwear, and ignored the missing shirts and pants! Gavin claimed that he was in Jackson’s bedroom, and decided to take a shower in the guest unit, so Jackson told him to leave his “stinking underwear” in his hamper, so Gavin obliged and never received it back, and Sneddon used this allegation to give the jurors the impression that Jackson wanted to keep Gavin’s dirty underwear for himself as a memento of his relationship with Gavin, since Gavin had left the ranch for the last time. This is a common characteristic among true child predators:
14 Q. Now, the suitcases that they bought you —
15 I just want to talk about you individually, okay. —
16 A. Okay.
17 Q. — was it more than one.
18 A. It was — like, they had this package thing
19 where you would buy one, and they would have all —
20 they would have this big one, and in the inside it
21 would be one smaller, and another one that was even
22 smaller that was a carry-on bag.
23 Q. So you had a series of suitcases.
24 A. Yeah, and — yes.
25 Q. And when you left Neverland, did you take
26 all those suitcases with you, you personally.
27 A. I think I just took the — no, I didn’t take
28 them. They — after we left and we stopped — we 2071
1 didn’t want to go back —
2 Q. Okay.
3 A. — Frank and Vinnie showed up on our door
4 and they were knocking on the door. And then we
5 waited until they left, and we looked outside and
6 our suitcases were there.
7 Q. Did you open your suitcase and go through
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. Was there anything missing.
11 A. Yeah.
12 Q. What.
13 A. Some of my underwear, some of my shirts, a
14 couple pants, and stuff like that. And they put in
15 some other guy’s pants.
16 Q. Did you ever have a conversation with the
17 defendant in this case, Mr. Jackson, about your
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. Tell the jury about it.
21 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; beyond the scope.
22 THE COURT: Overruled.
23 THE WITNESS: There was one time that I slept
24 in his room – and he was probably joking but I kind
25 of took it serious – I had pajamas on and — I was
26 using his pajamas. And I told him I was going in to
27 take a shower in my unit.
28 And then he was like, “Leave your stinking 2072
1 underwear in the hamper,” or something like that.
2 And then so — because I had to change out
3 of my clothes to go to my unit. And then I don’t
4 know if he was joking or not, but I actually did.
5 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Did what.
6 A. Put my underwear in the hamper.
7 Q. Did you ever get those back.
8 A. No.
9 Q. With regard to the items that were dropped
10 at your — at your door by Frank and Vinnie, that
11 was after you left Neverland for good.
12 A. Yes.
Sneddon ended his redirect-examination by asking Gavin how he really felt about Jackson after all that he had been through, and he replied by playing the “religion card” and saying that he used to admire Jackson, but now admires God, in order to try to earn the jury’s sympathy:
13 Q. Okay. Gavin, I just have one last question
14 to ask you: Yesterday in response to Mr. Mesereau’s
15 questions, you told him that Mr. Jackson was like a
16 father figure to you; is that correct.
17 A. Michael Jackson.
18 Q. Yeah.
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. And that you thought he was one of the
21 coolest guys in the world, correct.
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. And that you admired him.
24 A. Well, I only admire God, but he was a pretty
25 cool guy.
26 Q. How do you feel about Mr. Jackson now in
27 light of what he did to you.
28 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. 352; relevance; 2073
2 THE COURT: Overruled.
3 THE WITNESS: I don’t really like him
4 anymore. I don’t think he’s really that deserving
5 of the respect that I was giving him and as the
6 coolest guy in the world.
7 MR. SNEDDON: Nothing further, Your Honor.
8 THE COURT: Recross.
9 MR. MESEREAU: Yes, please, Your Honor.
Mesereau’s recross-examination was fairly short and to the point, as he asked Gavin about his disciplinary problems at school, and whether or not he had talked to any of the prosecutors about what he would be asked in court today:
12 BY MR. MESEREAU:
13 Q. Mr. Arvizo, did you discuss your testimony
14 of yesterday with anyone last evening.
15 A. No.
16 Q. Did you discuss any of it with Mr. Sneddon.
17 A. No.
18 Q. Was the last meeting you had with Mr.
19 Sneddon Sunday night.
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. Did you discuss your testimony with any
22 attorney or employee of an attorney last night.
23 A. No.
24 Q. Okay. Did anyone talk to you about what
25 Mr. Sneddon was going to ask you today.
26 A. No.
27 Q. Okay. Now, did you have a meeting at a law
28 office last Saturday. 2074
1 A. No.
2 Q. Anyone in your family go to a law office
3 last Saturday, to your knowledge.
4 A. No.
5 Q. Never heard about it.
6 A. No.
7 Q. Okay. When is the last time you talked to
8 any lawyer associated with Larry Feldman’s office.
9 MR. SNEDDON: Your Honor, I’m going to
10 object as beyond the scope of the redirect.
11 THE COURT: Sustained.
12 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Mr. Arvizo, when you were
13 having disciplinary problems at school, they went
14 far beyond just fighting with students, didn’t they.
15 A. No, it was everything that I told you.
16 That’s what happened.
17 Q. You were repeatedly accused of disrespecting
18 teachers, right.
19 A. That’s what I told you yesterday.
20 Q. Okay. And you didn’t even show up for
21 detention much of the time when you were ordered to,
23 A. No, I showed up at every detention.
24 Q. Well, do you recall never showing up for a
25 detention that Teacher Parker ordered you to attend.
26 A. No.
27 Q. Don’t recall that.
28 A. No. 2075
1 Q. Okay. You were accused of getting up in the
2 middle of class and disrupting everything, right.
3 MR. SNEDDON: Your Honor, I’m going to
4 object as asked and answered. We went through this
6 THE COURT: Sustained.
7 MR. MESEREAU: No further questions, Your
9 THE COURT: All right. Do you have anything
10 further, Mr. Sneddon.
11 MR. SNEDDON: No, Your Honor.
12 THE COURT: You may step down.
13 Call your next witness.
14 MR. MESEREAU: Your Honor, may the witness
15 be subject to re-call.
16 THE COURT: Yes. He’s not excused.
17 MR. MESEREAU: Thank you, Your Honor.
18 MR. ZONEN: We’ll call Officer Terry Flaa to
19 the stand.
After reading Gavin’s testimony, it’s hard to believe that he could say all of those lies about Jackson after all the help that he had received from the pop star. Let’s look at what Jackson had to say about Gavin during his interviews with Rabbi Boteach in 2000-2001, which were published after Jackson’s death in “The Michael Jackson Tapes” and “Honoring The Child Spirit”.
Here is what he said about Gavin in “The Michael Jackson Tapes” on pages 372-374:
And here is what he said about Gavin in “Honoring The Child Spirit” on pages 120-121:
In case you’re wondering what the Arvizo boys are up to nowadays, here’s the latest scoop:
Star Arvizo is a 2012 graduate of Georgia State University and a 2009 graduate of Georgia Military College, according to his Facebook profile.
Gavin Arvizo is a student (and possibly a graduate) of Emory Univiersity, and is an aspiring law school student, according to his Facebook profile. He is a member of the Emory University Mock Trial team, which is for aspiring law school students who attend Emory. If you look through their photo albums, you’ll see plenty of photos of Gavin enjoying life as a college student, while Jackson’s dead body rests at Forest Lawn cemetery.
In September 2011, Gavin and Star were invited to the wedding of Assistant District Attorney Ron Zonen and comedian and family friend Louise Palanker, and numerous photos of them were intentionally posted online on Palanker’s Facebook page. And to add insult to injury, Diane Dimond attended the wedding as well!
I don’t believe it was an “accident”, because the Arvizos were able to successfully live below the radar for many years after Jackson’s acquittal, and then for them to have numerous photos published online, as well as their official Facebook profiles tagged in those photos, it just seemed to me that they were thumbing their noses at Jackson fans all around the world! It’s like they were trying to say “Hey! You’re musical idol is dead, and we’re enjoying our lives to the fullest!”
After the photos were published, I compiled them into a single post aptly titled “Michael Jackson’s Enemies Are LITERALLY One Big Happy Family!” Not only did I include the photos of Star and Gavin at the wedding of Zonen and Palanker, I also showed how so many of Jackson’s enemies (i.e. his accusers, prosecutor, media detractors, and former Neverland employees) are friends with each other on Facebook!
Here are some interesting statistics from Gavin’s cross-examination that shows how terrible of an actor he was! He said the phrase “I don’t know” 137 times!
He said “I think” 120 times!
He said “I don’t remember” 52 times!
And he said “I guess” 30 times!
Before I get to my bullet point summary of Gavin’s testimony, let’s look at this footage of Gavin running away from paparazzi and hiding his face from the cameras in the summer of 2009!
Here is some media coverage from the final two days of Gavin’s testimony:
Finally, here is footage of Jackson and Gavin in 2000; Jackson was Gavin’s light during his darkest hour, and who would have ever thought that Gavin would be the cause of Jackson’s darkest hour!
Summary of Gavin’s testimony:
1. Gavin testified that during their first stay at Neverland in August 2000, Jackson asked him and Star to ask their parents if they could sleep in his bedroom while they were inside of Jackson’s office, and his parents said yes. However, this is contradicted by Sneddon’s version of events; he stated during his opening statements that Jackson and Gavin were ALONE in his office when Gavin was asked by Jackson to ask his parents for permission to sleep in his bedroom!
Frank Cascio contradicted Gavin by claiming in this interview that it was Gavin who asked Jackson to sleep in his bedroom on his own initiative.
When they went into Jackson’s bedroom later that night, Gavin was allegedly shown online porn by Jackson and Frank Cascio. Gavin claimed that he didn’t remember if it was Frank’s computer or the computer that Jackson had given him, but Star said it was shown to them on the computer that Jackson had given to them.
2. During his opening statement, Sneddon stated that Jackson only called his “special friends” nicknames such as Apple Head and Doo-doo head, but Gavin inadvertently contradicted that notion by stating that Jackson called ALL the kids at Neverland by those nicknames.
3. Gavin stated that it was Jackson’s idea for them to hold hands while shooting their scene in Bashir’s documentary, and that it was his own idea to place his head on Jackson’s shoulder because they were “best friends”, but Thomas Mesereau and Brian Oxman confirmed to Aphrodite Jones that it was Bashir’s idea!
4. Gavin testified that during his stay with Jackson in Miami, he was offered “Jesus Juice” for the first time by Jackson; he claimed it was offered by Jackson to him to help relax him from all of the media scrutiny surrounding the Bashir documentary. He claimed that Jackson also offered him and Star “Jesus Juice” on the flight back to Neverland from Miami (although Star never referred to it as “Jesus Juice”). Interestingly, when asked by Sneddon to describe everyone who was on the flight, Gavin failed to mention Dr. Fars, who Star claimed sat directly across from Jackson and Gavin.
5. According to Star, Jackson gave him a diamond-studded watch and a jacket as a gift in exchange for not telling anyone about the alcohol that they had consumed together. The watch had an estimated value of $75,000 dollars, and was eventually given to attorney Larry Feldman (whom Gavin referred to as Larry; he was on a first name basis with all of the attorneys in this case).
6. Gavin testified that upon their return to Neverland, he drank alcohol (including Bacardi, Vodka, and Jim Bean) with Jackson and Star “every night that Michael was there”, and that Jackson would take them into the arcade, wine cellar, office, and bedroom to drink. He recounted one occasion where he had to bury his head into a pillow to allay the dizzying side effects that drinking too much Vodka gave him. Gavin denied ever drinking alcohol outside Jackson’s presence. Interestingly, when asked to describe one of these drinking episodes that allegedly occurred in the wine cellar, Gavin answered “me and my …” and the quickly corrected himself and said “me and Michael”. This is because Gavin and Star were drinking alone in the wine cellar, and Gavin corrected his lie before he could finish saying it!
7. When his mother Janet told him that she wanted the family to leave Neverland with ranch manager Jesus Salas, Gavin stated that he told her that he didn’t want to leave because he was “kind of having fun”. The Arvizos eventually left Neverland but returned in a few days once Frank Cascio promised Janet that Dieter Weisner and Ronald Konitzer wouldn’t be there, but when she returned and saw them she asked to be taken to Jay Jackson’s apartment.
8. Gavin recalled being told to lie and say great things about Jackson during the filming of the rebuttal video at the home of Hamid Mosheli, and a few hours later he and his family were interviewed by social workers for the DCFS at the home of Jay Jackson, Janet’s boyfriend at that time, where they once again denied any abuse by Jackson. They were then taken back to Neverland by Aja Pryor, the ex-girlfriend of actor Chris Tucker. Afterwards, the family was taken to an inn in Calabasas, where they went shopping for their trip to Brazil. Clothes were bought and paid for by Frank Cascio and Vinnie Amen, and Visas and passports were obtained for the family. Gavin testified that he overheard Jackson and Frank Cascio discussing the trip to Brazil while they were in the hotel room.
9. Gavin recounted an incident where he and Star were in Jackson’s bedroom at Neverland, and Jackson simulated having sexual intercourse on a female mannequin. Gavin couldn’t remember if this happened before or after the trip to Calabasas.
10. Gavin gave a detailed account of two alleged incidents where Jackson showed him and Gavin a briefcase that was full of both complete issues of adult magazines, and cut out pages of adult magazines, as they sat in his bedroom. Ironically, when describing the second incident, Gavin couldn’t remember if it was Jackson or he and his brother that brought the porn into Jackson’s bedroom!
11. Gavin testified that he and Star were in Jackson’s room one day, and Jackson ran into the room butt naked and with an erection, and got something, and then ran downstairs. But this is a major departure from Star and Sneddon’s version of this event! Sneddon stated in his opening statement that Jackson told them that it was “natural” for men to be naked, and Star also testified to this as well. But Gavin couldn’t remember if Jackson said anything! Also, Gavin and Star said that Jackson went back downstairs after he retrieved the item that he was looking for, but Sneddon said that it was Star and Gavin who went downstairs!
12. Gavin recounted the time when he had to go to the hospital to give his doctors a urine sample so that they could check on the condition of his kidney, and when he told Jackson that he was worried that the alcohol that he had consumed would be detected in his urine sample, Jackson allegedly told him “Just don’t take the test”, and they continued to drink alcohol together. At 4am the next day, a few hours before his appointment, he allegedly called his mother Janet and told her about his drinking with Jackson, but he couldn’t remember what she said.
13. Later that morning, Gavin, Janet, and Vinnie Amen were driven to the hospital, but made a stop at a Denny’s restaurant so that he could use the restroom, and then before they reached the hospital, Janet complained that the bottle of urine had been emptied by Vinnie during their stop at Denny’s. This story was concocted in order to give credibility to the allegation that Gavin was drunk at Neverland.
14.Sneddon ended his direct examination on a crescendo by asking Gavin to describe the two alleged incidents of abuse that he could remember (Gavin claimed to be too drunk to remember the other alleged instances). According to Gavin, in the first incident, he and Jackson went into his bedroom after drinking alcohol in the arcade, and Jackson started talking to him about masturbation, and Jackson told him that if he doesn’t do it he’ll get to a level where he’ll have to rape a girl (due to pent up sexual tension). Jackson told Gavin a story about a boy who once had sex with a dog in because he didn’t masturbate. Gavin told Jackson that he didn’t masturbate and didn’t even know how, and Jackson offered to do it for him. After that, both he and Jackson went under the covers, and Jackson put his hands into Gavin’s pants and masturbated him for five minutes before he ejaculated. Jackson said that it was “natural” for boys to ejaculate. (At least Gavin didn’t lie and say that Jackson ate his semen the same way Jordan Chandler did in 1993!)
On a side note, Gavin used the word “section” instead of “incident” or “occurrence” when he was asked to describe the time when Jackson allegedly told him that boys have to masturbate. That slip up is indicative of the fact that Gavin was going through his “mental rolodex” of rehearsed lies! He obviously memorized his lies and put them into different “sections” (e.g., the “boys must masturbate” lie, the “Jackson molested me” lie, the “I drank wine with Jackson in the wine cellar” lie, etc.), the same way he memorized the script his mother wrote for him prior to his deposition in the JC Penney case!
15. The second alleged incident occurred the next evening in Jackson’s bedroom. They had come from the arcade after yet another episode of drinking, and the story is pretty much a repeat of the first alleged incident: Jackson offered to masturbate him and he ejaculated again.
16. Mesereau began his cross examination with his usual introduction of how he speaks for Jackson, and not the government, and immediately questioned Gavin about the timing of his alleged abuse, the credibility of his story of being abused after the airing of the Bashir documentary, the fact that the allegations came up only after the Arvizos met with two civil lawyers, and other pertinent facts. Mesereau was all over the place on the first day of his cross-examination, and he was obviously trying to throw Gavin off of his rehearsed speech, in order to get him flustered and agitated in front of the jury. Mesereau was admonished several times for interrupting Gavin as he gave his answers, and this is a sign that Mesereau was hyper and excited, and couldn’t wait to trap Gavin in his own lies. Judge Melville also had to admonish both Mesereau and Gavin for arguing with each other.
17. Under cross examination, Gavin stated that the abuse started “a week or two” before he left Neverland for the last time in May 2003, but during his grand jury testimony on April 15th, 2004, Gavin told Assistant District Attorney Ron Zonen that ALL of the acts of abuse by Jackson – including the events that he claimed he was too intoxicated to remember – occurred within the last few days that he was at Neverland!
18. Gavin downplayed all of the helpful things that Jackson did for him and his family during his battle with cancer. The only time Gavin became emotional is when he recounted how he was told that Jackson wasn’t at Neverland, but then saw him and felt that Jackson had lied and was trying to distance himself from his family. Gavin explicitly stated that it “broke his heart” to realize that Jackson didn’t want to be around him anymore, and George Lopez, Jamie Masada, and Louise Palanker never did that to him.
19. Gavin testified that he couldn’t remember anything about his final “escape” from Neverland, but Star testified that Janet concocted the lie that her father was ill and she used that as an excuse for her kids to leave Neverland for the last time.
20. When questioned about his deposition during the JC Penney case, Gavin said that nobody told him what to say before he was deposed, but Mesereau showed him a transcript of his deposition in which he stated that his lawyers had told him what to say, and Gavin still denied it! He also denied speaking about the case with his mother, but his father David stated in an interview with Mesereau’s investigator that Janet gave her children scripts to memorize for their deposition on pages 7-25 of this document.
21. Gavin was caught in a huge lie when he was challenged by Mesereau about his statements under direct examination that Jackson told him that if he doesn’t masturbate, he could rape a woman, when he had initially attributed that statement to his grandmother during his police interviews and grand jury testimony. Gavin said it was just a weird coincidence that Jackson told it to him first, and then during one of his escapes from Neverland his grandmother subsequently told him as well. After repeated questioning, Gavin said that he was “sure” that he did indeed mention in another police transcript that Jackson told him that statement, but Mesereau just moved on.
22. Gavin was caught in yet another lie when Mesereau questioned him on his previous assertion that he had been abused by Jackson “a few weeks before leaving Neverland”, when he had said initially that it was “a few days before leaving Neverland”.
23. Sneddon and the prosecution team had an emergency meeting with the dean of Gavin’s school on Saturday, March 12th, 2005 after they became aware that Gavin had denied any abuse to him in the weeks after the Bashir documentary aired. After meeting with the dean, they called an emergency meeting with Gavin that weekend, which Gavin couldn’t initially remember any details of, until after intense prodding my Mesereau, Gavin finally admitted that he met with prosecutors to discuss his misbehavior at school and his denials to the dean of Jackson’s abuse.
24. When he asked by Mesereau if he had any disciplinary problems, Gavin answered that he had a LOT of disciplinary problems! Mesereau’s goal was to show that Gavin was street tough, and capable of lying and being disruptive, and was not the perfect angel that the media painted him as. Gavin admitted to fighting and talking out lout, among other things. He also claimed to have been an advisor to the ROTC club, and admitted that he had issues with other students in the club. Gavin also rationalized his disrespect towards Mr. Geralt by saying that Mr. Geralt “brought himself down to Gavin’s level” by accusing him of being on drugs during an afterschool detention session. Another one of Gavin’s teachers said that he had good acting skills, an observation that would unfortunately become a self-fulfilling prophecy!
25. Mesereau impeached Gavin’s credibility by showing him multiple cards that he and his family sent to not only Jackson, but to Prince and Paris! They addressed Jackson as “daddy”, “your best friend”, and other loving terms, and eroded any believability in their assertion that they only said good things about Jackson in the rebuttal video because they were forced to.
26. Gavin claimed that the doctors were never able to determine exactly what type of cancer he had, so as a result he stated that “I only believe that God gave me this cancer to guide my life in a certain way”. Yeah, whatever.
27. Mesereau attempted to ask Gavin if he remembered making a false claim of child abuse against his mother in 1996, but Sneddon objected and Judge Melville sustained his objection.
28. When Mesereau questioned Gavin about the bedroom alarms outside of Jackson’s bedroom, and Gavin admitted that they could be heard from inside the second floor of the bedroom, which is a stark contradiction to Star’s claim that they could not be heard from inside Jackson’s bedroom, which is how he was able to observe Jackson abusing Gavin!
29. When Gavin was specifically asked if he had ever spoken with comedian Jay Leno, he emphatically denied that either he or his family ever spoke with the comedian. However, Mesereau claimed in his opening statement that Gavin called Leno, and with his mother Janet in the background, began to offer overly effusive praise and admiration to Leno, which made Leno uncomfortable. After hearing in the background what he thought sounded like Janet pressuring Gavin to ask him for money, Leno hung up the telephone!
When asked by Mesereau about when he met with Sneddon about the possibility of being questioned about Jay Leno, Gavin said he and Sneddon didn’t meet to discuss Jay Leno until “a day or two” before his direct examination! Gavin was never asked about Leno during his police interviews or his grand jury testimony, and he denied speaking with Leno (although it will be proven later on in this trial that he did speak with him.)
30. Gavin claimed that he never went inside of Jackson’s bedroom when Jackson was away, but Star stated that he and Gavin would both sleep in Jackson’s room, and Azja Pryor stated in a July 2009 interview that both Gavin and Star begged to sleep in Jackson’s room AFTER the dates when the alleged abuse took place!
31. Gavin testified that he couldn’t really remember whose computer was used to look at online porn during his first visit to Neverland in 2000, but he said it was “probably” Frank’s computer (which was a Sony) because he didn’t activate the internet on the computer that Jackson had given him until a few days after he had left Neverland. However, Star testified that it was the computer that Jackson had given to Gavin (which as an Apple) that was used to watch online porn that was activated while they were at Neverland!
32. Gavin testified that he was very angry with Jackson in 2000-01 when, during his chemotherapy sessions, he could no longer get in touch with Jackson because his phone numbers had stopped working, and felt that Jackson had abandoned his family. He wanted to go back to Neverland and travel to New York to watch him record his album. He admitted this to police during his initial interviews in 2003.
33. Mesereau grilled Gavin about the inconsistency between his statements to police and his testimony regarding when the abuse first occurred. He told police that it occurred during the last few days of his stay at Neverland, but under cross examination he stated that the abuse happened “a week or two” before he left Neverland. Also, Gavin claimed that his mother wanted to leave Neverland “during the last days”, but that he wanted to stay “during the last days” because he was having “lots of fun”. That is an astonishing admission for an alleged victim of child abuse!
34. Mesereau went on the attack and questioned Gavin’s consistency in his numerous interviews with police. Gavin initially claimed that he and Jackson “didn’t drink a lot”, but in subsequent interviews he stated that he and Jackson “drank every night”. Gavin claimed that “a lot” could mean “every night”, or something like that. He couldn’t remember saying what he said, even after he was shown the transcripts of his police interviews.
35. Mesereau then began to challenge the logic in Gavin’s assertion that he was abused by Jackson only after he had been cleared by the DCFS and the Santa Barbara’s Sheriff’s Office, and after the filming of the rebuttal video. Gavin clung to his story, and admitted that he didn’t tell his mother, step-father, or siblings that he had been abused by Jackson. As Gavin tried to explain why he continued to sleep in Jackson’s room after the abuse began, he shot himself in the foot by stating that it was because Jackson “left after the second time”, and that was why he was “pretty sure that it happened two weeks before he left Neverland for the last time”. Mesereau pounced on this information again, as Gavin had previously told investigators that the abuse happened a few days before he left. Sneddon objected to this line of questioning multiple times, and they were all sustained by Judge Melville, who went on to admonish Mesereau against arguing his case in lieu of asking questions.
Gavin also contradicted his earlier testimony that he had never slept in Jackson’s bedroom when he wasn’t there by stating that he actually stayed in the bedroom after the abuse started because Jackson wasn’t there!
36. Mesereau caught Gavin in yet another lie when he questioned why Gavin told Dr. Katz that he thought a “crazy” fan of Jackson would kill him, but he later told police investigators throughout numerous interviews that Frank Cascio was the only person that threatened to have his family killed. Gavin sarcastically stated that just because Dr. Katz wasn’t mentioned in the police transcripts, it doesn’t mean that he wasn’t talked about! Yeah, whatever.
37. When asked about his effusive praise of Jackson in the rebuttal video, Gavin downplayed the role that he played in his recovery by stating that Jackson turned his back on him by changing his phone number, which is something that he claimed Chris Tucker and George Lopez never did. (This is another obvious sign of the anger and resentment that Gavin had towards Jackson, and which eventually motivated Gavin to concoct these false allegations against Jackson.)
38. Mesereau asked Gavin why is it he felt the need to write numerous letters to Jackson after he did the rebuttal video, which would be strange considering that Gavin claimed that all of the positive things that he and his family said about Jackson were scripted, and that Jackson began abusing him after shooting the video (he initially claimed that Jackson abused him before the rebuttal video was shot, but his story evolved over time.)
Essentially, what Mesereau was trying to establish to the jury is why would Gavin want to write Jackson letters where he referred to Jackson as “father” and “daddy”, and thank Jackson for all he had done during his cancer treatments, if the abuse started to occur after the shooting of the rebuttal video? Unfortunately, Judge Melville sustained Sneddon’s objection.
39. Mesereau questioned Gavin about why he initially told police that he was abused by Jackson BEFORE the filming of the rebuttal video on February 20th, 2003, but later changed his story to claim that he was abused AFTER it was filmed! When Gavin was shown the transcript of his police interviews, he claimed that it refreshed his recollection, but that “even to this day” he doesn’t “remember” exactly how everything happened. He then stuck by his current assertions that he was abused after the rebuttal video was filmed, despite his earlier statements.
Mesereau then cornered Gavin by asking him to confirm if he told Sneddon he had been abused at different times by Jackson during separate interviews, and although Sneddon objected to this question, Judge Melville overruled it, and Gavin was forced to answer. Gavin claimed that he spoke to Sneddon several times off the record (and without his conversations being recorded), and Sneddon would act “really nice” to him and “help him” and “make him feel better”. This explains why Gavin felt comfortable enough to refer to Sneddon and the other prosecutors by their first name throughout the trial!
40. Mesereau caught Gavin in yet another lie by asking him to explain why he said that his brother Star stayed with him in Jackson’s room every night until the last few days they were at Neverland, yet he initially told the grand jury that Star didn’t stay in Jackson’s room the last few times. Gavin just stumbled and stuttered throughout his answer, and tripped himself up again by confusing the timeline of his alleged abuse between “the last few days” and “the last week or two”.
41. Gavin accidentally shot another hole through the prosecution’s theory that they were forced to shoot the rebuttal video! Mesereau questioned Gavin about his mother’s statements to someone off camera about gangs and gang signs, and Gavin stated that his mother was “just making a joke”, which would seem pretty incredible considering the fact that they claimed that they were forced to shoot the rebuttal video under duress! How could they all laugh and joke if they were being threatened to shoot a video that they didn’t want to shoot, and to read a script that they didn’t write?
42. When questioned about his feelings about Jackson, Gavin once again revealed that he was angry that their relationship had ended because he viewed Jackson as a big brother and a father figure, and that Jackson wasn’t as “nice” as he and his family thought he has.
43. Mesereau then tore into Gavin about the real motivation for making up his child abuse allegations against Jackson, and was forced to continually simplify the question as Gavin struggled to answer, and Judge Melville refused to force Gavin to answer the question until it was simplified. Gavin eventually admitted that he didn’t tell the police about his claims until after he had seen two civil lawyers.
44. Mesereau questioned Gavin about his claims that he thought Jackson was a father figure to him, until he met his new step-father Jay Jackson. Mesereau asked Gavin why he felt that Jackson was such a father figure to him when Jay Jackson was already in his life prior to the filming of the rebuttal video, and Gavin said it was because they were not as close in the beginning of their relationship.
Ironically, Mesereau asked if the reason that Janet Arvizo had a curl running her face is because she was trying to look like Janet Jackson, and Gavin of course denied it!
45. Gavin denied asking Rijo Jackson (Michael’s younger cousin) to masturbate and watch porn with him in the guest house, and denied stealing wine when he was in Miami, but Rijo stated in his interview with Mesereau’s investigator, and on the witness stand later on in the trial, that Gavin did indeed engage in such behavior.
46. Gavin denied ever being coached by his mother to lie in this case and in prior cases, but this was contradicted by his father’s interview to Mesereau’s investigator.
47. During the grand jury proceedings, Gavin stated that he wanted to do the press conference in Miami after the Bashir documentary had aired, but under cross examination he testified that it was Jackson who wanted to do the press conference. When asked to explain this discrepancy, Gavin stated that he was “just joking” when he said he wanted to do the press conference during his grand jury testimony. How many child abuse victims could “tell a joke” right after they are finished describing the abuse they suffered at the hands of a sexual predator? Do you think any of the victims of Jerry Sandusky told any “jokes” before wrapping up their testimony? I don’t think so!
48. As Mesereau continued to bombard Gavin with questions about why he never complained to anyone that his family was being held against his will as they went on numerous shopping sprees, Gavin admitted that he was “happy to be at Neverland all the time” and that he “liked being at Neverland. That was like Disneyland.” But then he claimed that it wasn’t until the last escape that he realized that he didn’t want to be there.
49. Mesereau questioned Gavin about the mannequin that he and Star claimed that Jackson simulated sexual acts upon, and asked Gavin if he knew who defaced it by taking a magic marker and smearing it near the vaginal area. Gavin denied any knowledge of it, and Mesereau specifically asked Gavin why Star defaced it, which prompted an immediate objection from Sneddon, who claimed that Mesereau was testifying again, and Judge Melville agreed and sustained his objection.
50. Mesereau’s initial cross-examination ended here, after he questioned Gavin on if he knew why Jackson wore makeup, and he gave an answer that should really make readers feel even more compassion towards Jackson: Gavin said that he knew Jackson wore lipstick because he had no pigmentation in his lips, which really puts everything into perspective. Jackson was oftentimes ridiculed for wanting to look effeminate, but Gavin just confirmed (and not that anyone needed his confirmation!) that Jackson had a legitimate reason to wear that lipstick and makeup!
51. Gavin said that he didn’t know that Jackson had patches on his skin from vitiligo, and that he thought Jackson was “all white”. Remember, Gavin claimed that he saw Jackson allegedly run into the bedroom fully nude and with an erection as he and Star watched television, and if they had truly seen Jackson naked, they would have known that Jackson had those patches! Gavin just unknowingly shot himself in the foot again! Also, Gavin claimed that Jackson ran downstairs after they saw him run into his bedroom naked, but during his opening statements Sneddon said that Star and Gavin ran downstairs to pretend they had to use the restroom!
52. Mesereau tried to ask Gavin if he remembered making a false claim of child abuse against his mother in 1996, but Sneddon objected and Judge Melville sustained his objection, and Mesereau moved on to another topic.
53. Before ending his cross-examination, Mesereau asked Gavin if he had ever discussed the fact that he had until 18 to file a civil lawsuit against Jackson with his mother or attorney, and he denied it as well. However, it will be proven later on in this trail that a civil lawsuit against Jackson was indeed discussed before police were notified by Dr. Katz.
54. Under redirect-examination, Gavin was asked to confirm that he really told the truth during his grand jury testimony (and by saying he was telling the truth during the grand jury testimony, Gavin was, unknowingly, also admitting that he was lying throughout his trial testimony whenever contradictions were established, such as Gavin stating that his grandmother told him he must masturbate, but then attributing that statement to Jackson during the trial.) Ironically, Gavin claimed that he “grew closer to God” when he battled cancer, and described how he had numerous people praying for him.
55. Gavin admitted to Sneddon that he really did deny to his principal that he had been abused by Jackson, but only because he was already getting teased. However, he previously testified under cross-examination that he didn’t where or when he spoke to his principal about the alleged abuse, or what he said during their meeting!
56. Sneddon began to end his redirect examination by telling Gavin “just a couple more easy questions”, which is symptomatic of how he questioned Gavin throughout his police interviews, grand jury testimony, and direct examination. The first “easy question” that he asked Gavin was to recall the number of times he shopped at Anchor Blue during his “imprisonment” at Neverland, and Gavin answered that he recalled shopping there once. However, under Mesereau’s earlier cross-examination, Gavin couldn’t remember if he shopped at Anchor Blue, or any other store!
57. Gavin was asked by Sneddon to describe the articles of clothing that were missing from his suitcase that was packed but left at Neverland during his final “escape”, but subsequently delivered to his home by Frank Cascio and Vincent Amen. He named underwear, shirts, and pants that were missing from the suitcase, but Sneddon was only interested in knowing if Gavin had spoken to Jackson about the missing underwear, and ignored the missing shirts and pants! Gavin claimed that he was in Jackson’s bedroom, and decided to take a shower in the guest unit, so Jackson told him to leave his “stinking underwear” in his hamper, so Gavin obliged and never received it back, and Sneddon used this allegation to give the jurors the impression that Jackson wanted to keep Gavin’s dirty underwear for himself as a memento of his relationship with Gavin, since Gavin had left the ranch for the last time. This is a common characteristic among true child predators.
58. Sneddon ended his redirect-examination by asking Gavin how he really felt about Jackson after all that he had been through, and he replied by playing the “religion card” and saying that he used to admire Jackson, but now admires God, in order to try to earn the jury’s sympathy.
59. After Sneddon’s redirect-examination was completed, Mesereau questioned Gavin again about his misbehavior at school, but Sneddon objected on the grounds that the topic had already been discussed, and Judge Melville sustained the objection, and Mesereau had no further questions for Gavin.
The testimonies of detectives Terry Flaa, Jeff Klapakis, and Steve Robel will be summarized in the next post in this series: https://michaeljacksonvindication2.wordpress.com/2012/06/28/march-15th-2005-trial-analysis-gavin-arvizo-cross-examination-terry-flaa-jeff-klapakis-and-steve-robel-direct-examination-part-2-of-3/