The Blog Wars: Addendum

In the first post titled The Bog Wars I posted a series of emails and comments from the writer of DSSL and the group of people from a site once called Wacko Facts now MJ Facts.

In this continuation I will show another set of emails that we received at VMJ from one of her constant readers and commenters, someone who uses the screen name of Len. Len was also shown commenting on Topix in a screen shot about the link that she was shown by someone regarding David and Charles . This person was DSSL’s “connection” to someone that knew someone that had once worked with Michael.The emails to us were unsolicited.

Len has written for the MJ Facts site recently and I addressed that here. Len has also started Tweeting more than commenting on Topix. You will see many commonalities in the speech of Len and DSSL, they are however two different people, both female. Theses emails went unnoticed because it was believed that the sender was DSSL.

Here are the emails from Len:

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:20 PM, CLS < wrote:

Name: CLS
Email:
Website:
I know I’m going to make myself very unpopular with you, the web master. But I used to be unsure whether or not Michael Jackson really did molest those boys or if he was just so mentally ill, he didn’t understand why it was inappropriate for a grown man to have sleepovers with children. Then I met somebody in the camp of a very well-known person in the music industry, who was very familiar with Michael. He told me Michael was a pedophile and went into great detail about what happened and how the family knew about it but tried to cover up for him. He went into more details than I wanted to hear. I also met somebody who handled child-molestation cases and had read the documents, including those not available to the public. He then told me how to access documents that are available for public viewing. This removed all doubt. Bear in mind I have never bothered to read any of the books on this subject, by the so-called experts. I checked for myself.
You can spin the obvious evidence as much as you wish. But I want to know what you have at stake in trying to insist he was innocent because I do not understand celebrity worship. Michael was human, not the new messiah. Knowing the truth about Michael Jackson doesn’t make me a hater. I still like his music. If anything I feel sorrier for him. He had a tortured mind from the physical, emotional, and sexual abuse he suffered as a child, and he lived a tragic life. But I take it as a lesson that the cycle of abuse will continue if the abused don’t seek therapy to heal the trauma.
It’s taken a lot of courage to write you. I’ve read the comments by what I refer to as the rabid worshipers of the Church of Michael Jackson, and they scare me. They are ugly and inflammatory toward anyone who even suggests Michael was human and not a god. They are also threatening, and I would be afraid to meet them on the street. My personal safety is important to me. However, I would simply like to know what is inside your mind that needs to canonize another human being you never knew. What is it you need from a celebrity that fulfills your life? What is missing from your life that needs to cling to celebrity status?
I don’t know if you’ll have a calm answer for me, or if you’ll strip my humanity and aim for personal attacks of an individual you don’t know. But bear in mind I still see you as human and would merely like an explanation.
Thanks.
Time: Tuesday October 19, 2010 at 4:20 pm

VMJ response

—–Original Message—–
From: MJ Vindication team
Sent: Oct 19, 2010 10:51 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [Vindicating Michael] Contact Us
CLS, we here are not discussing any gossip which may be told by this and that man in Michael’s surrounding.
I also have an article written by a former child who was in a video studio with Michael while a new video was made and who says that all those around Michael thought he was a p. They didn’t know a thing but thought they did and were even sure that they knew.
“How else can it be if he is with a child every day”? they thought. And what if Michael didn’t want to associate with these guys around him – who played cards and drank beer during the pauses (which were many as this child describes) and made dirty jokes openly about Michael? They practically laughed in his face saying they would not stay alone with him for fear he does something to them.
If these are the people who are your sources – no thank you. I don’t associate with such people in real life and I am not going to start doing it in the virtual one. Cynics are just not my cup of tea.
However if you have any documents we are ready to look into them. We are not stretching the truth here to cover up things – we are establishing the truth.
Helena

CLS/Len Response:

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:09 AM, > wrote:

Helena,

I wish the information I had was just gossip. It made me feel sick to hear it. If I can ever get permission to tell you who spoke, I will. My concern, however, is said individual would be crucified by those who don’t want to know an ugly truth. In regards to the documents, they are very easy to access. Just go to the Santa Barbara County and Los Angeles County websites, and you can download publicly available documents. Bear in mind, the criminologist I mentioned also read the documents that were not made available to the public, due to his position. But facing the truth about what Michael Jackson did doesn’t make anyone a hater. It just means they see him as human and not a god. It means just being realistic and enjoying his music for what it is.

But you still aren’t answering my questions about what you have at stake, in all of this. Why do you need to see a mere mortal as if he were the new messiah? Is something missing in your life that causes you to need a celebrity to worship? I need to know why you, and others like you, are so obsessed with a celebrity. I find your brand of fandom both intriguing and frightening. But I want to understand it. Right now, it comes across as insanity.

Best.

VMJ response:

—–Original Message—–
From: MJ Vindication team
Sent: Oct 20, 2010 12:20 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [Vindicating Michael] Contact Us

CLS,

Giving a person’s name is not important  – being a foreigner I would not know who he is anyway, so names do not have an effect on me. What I am interested is the documents. I’ve been to the LA county webside and have seen ALL the documents provided there – this is where we found that Ray Chandler was fighting the subpoena from MJ’s team. Ray said his book was based on documents, but when MJ’s defense demanded he presents them in court he fought this chance tooth and nail.

If you are speaking about any other site with ‘damning’ documents please provide the link and we will look into them.

Answering your question about what is at stake – it is the truth which is at stake. This is what I am really worshipping and if in the process of establishing the truth Michael Jackson turns out to be a pure human being, ruthelessly crucified by the world for more than 15 years, consequently a saint and probably a messiah, so be it.

At the moment a thorough scrutiny of each available fact has proved to us that Michael Jackson was slandered on an exceptionally massive scale, that is why our investigation is slowly turning into the direction of finding out “Why”?

And why are you asking? Isn’t it natural for people to want to know the truth?

Helena

P.S. Since we are aiming at as much transparency as it is possible, please note that this exchange of messages may be published in the blog.

CLS response:

Helena,

I am honored you felt my emails to you were important enough to post on a public blog. It gave me a good laugh when I read it! I already know Michael Jackson was a pedophile, so your comments about my supposed fear made me laugh even louder. I’m grinning from ear to ear, even as I type this. However, what fascinates me so much about your website is the religious fervency of the posted blogs I enjoy reading when I have nothing to do, during my lunch break. It’s the same language people in church use to write about Jesus. This is truly a source of entertainment, which then makes me want to know what is going on inside the minds of the Michael Jackson cult following, especially since most of them – with a few exceptions – are teenage girls, who did not witness Michael’s rise and fall from glory. He was the darling of the press, until his constant plastic surgery and increasingly odd behavior made it impossible for anyone to ignore.

The person on the inside is well known. So, if you didn’t know who that person was, I’d have to say you were living in the stone age. Have you honestly read all the documents? When the criminologist who handles child-molestation cases contacted me, he said there are very specific item to read: the victim testimonies and the police reports. Since I have read legal documents before, these made for quite a read. What I found interesting about the Arvizo case is that the items described by the minors were exactly where they said they were!

I would also recommend reading the court document Team Michael successfully pushed through to seal previous documents about any previous molestation case and not allow them to be used in court. In addition, if you thoroughly read the settlement case set up my Team Michael with the Chandlers, you’ll notice the obsession with protecting Michael’s image and money-producing ability was more important than the accusations themselves. There were also constant threats of lawsuits if the Chandlers talked. Now the paragraph for Michael that echoed the paragraph for the Chandlers to not talk was interesting because Michael violated it, by his public interview with Diane Sawyer. The clause stating the Chandlers had to notify Michael if they were subpeoned is a spit in the face of the legal system. I’m surprised they agreed to it. Then again, Pellicano was involved, and he is now in prison.

In addition, the redacted FBI files showed two witnesses refused to testify in court. I would love to see what the other half of the files have to say because it would more than likely shed even more light. I would want the unedited version. Right now, the FBI prove nothing about Michael’s innocence or guilt. They just raise even more questions about the missing information.

Oh, the criminologist also said the original testimony is used in these cases because children are easily intimidated into changing their original statements, in the courtroom. But if you have read the documents I mentioned and still think Michael Jackson is the new messiah, then I have a strong suspicion it wouldn’t matter if anyone in the music industry with clout and the Jacksons themselves told you he molested children. You would either continue to deny it, or the realization would complete the collapse of your mind.

The so-called truth about Michael Jackson shouldn’t be important to you. The Jackson family more than likely could care less about you. Most people know or at least suspect he was a pedophile, but they still like his music and buy it, anyway. It’s what is inside your mind (and others like you) that desperately obsesses over this that intrigues me. What should be important to you is focusing on your own life and not wasting your time on celebrities. Nobody is a saint or the new messiah. That Michael was mentally ill, addicted to plastic surgery, had sleepovers with other people’s children, and was a drug addict doesn’t make him anything but human.

CLS

VMJ response:

—–Original Message—–
From: MJ Vindication team
Sent: Oct 21, 2010 4:11 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [Vindicating Michael] Contact Us
I’ve made you angry?

CLS response

Helena,

Angry? Not at all! If I were offended, I would have told you so. In reality, I’m still laughing. It’s very interesting to see how you spin things, and I enjoy reading it, a lot. But you still haven’t answered my queary about why you are so obsessed with a celebrity’s problems with little boys. What is taking place in your life that makes you need this? What kind of life are you actually living?

By the way, in case you have never seen an uncircumsized man’s penis, let me help you understand a few facts. The length of the foreskin varies from man to man, the way the size of a woman’s breasts vary from woman to woman. In addition, when a penis is erect, the foreskin pulls back, making it appear circumsized. Regardless, Jordan Chandler’s description of the blotch on Michael’s erect penis was accurate.

And before I forget, extortion is a crime. Had the Chandlers lied about the sexual abuse in order to get money, they would have found themselves in criminal court, especially by somebody like Michael Jackson. Now, have you read the documents I recommended?

CLS

As you notice some of the same themes run through the conversation that also ran through those of DSSL. Both believe or would like us to believe that they KNOW Michael was molested as a child and as highlighted in the previous post they visited boychat sites to read what was written there.

Len also called fans, rabid and crazy. even going as far as saying that she feared for her safety should she meet one on the street.All comments like this are common statements by the group of trolls from Topix. Topix if you remember was the only place one could originally comment on MJ Facts.

Len was also a source that DSSL used for information regarding Michael because of her claim that she once dated someone that knew someone that used to work with Michael not for him but with him.

The following are screenshots from Len in the comment discussion on DSSL.

That is the one where she confirms that she was the one with a source in the “music business”.

This one is where she discusses in the comments about how she feels about fans. She and DSSL had a falling out when DSSL equated pedophilia to being gay. From DSSL

 This is what Len had to say about her thoughts on homosexuality and pedophiles.

And here is a discussion on Topix between the two of them.

I would like to point out that what it appears DSSL and Len had in common was a hatred of the fans and friends of Michael Jackson.

They seem to have had a falling out but I doubt that it is genuine. The reason for my doubts is that Len and recently started on Twitter, going to defend another “friend” from Topix with the screen name Jina Wild. From this I find out that that MJ Facts on twitter made the same claim that DSSL made in emails that one of her readers had been in contact with a former Trans America insurance employee that was mentioned in articles relating to the Michael Jackson settlement.

When Len started on Twitter she was there to push the Prosecution legal motions that were filed in the Michael Jackson case that these Trolls have always said was evidence that Michael was guilty. Len stated on Twitter that she was a compliance regulator and that is how she knew how to read and interpret what was written in them.

This is what we do know about this group. That they originally posted on both MJ Facts and DSSL either as contributors or commenters. They seek out Michael’s fans on various forum blogs and social media sites to start conversation that detract from the topic being discussed and to provoke an angry response. This is the classic tactic of a troll. These are also the same people that are running and commenting on a Facebook page called Supporters of Wade Robson and other Victims of MJ. The say that they are advocates for victims of abuse.

In my next post I will show the connection between MJ Facts, DSSL and the Supporters of Wade Robson. Knowing who these people really are and what they have done in the past, one has to ask why Wade Robson uses trolls that promote the tabloids version of the Michael Jackson allegations.