April 11th, 2005 Trial Analysis: Bob Jones, Stacy Brown, June Chandler, and Dwayne Swingler, Part 2 of 4

Next, June was asked to recount her recollection of Jackson’s time at the home of her ex-husband Evan Chandler, and Evan’s thoughts about Jackson’s relationship with Jordan. He was upset at the time because Jordan wasn’t calling him anymore or spending any time with him:

21 Q. Now, to your knowledge, was there ever an

 

22 occasion where your son Jordan and the defendant in

 

23 this case, Michael Jackson, were at your

 

24 ex-husband’s house, Evan Chandler?

 

25 A. Yes. Yes.

 

26 Q. And do you remember on how many occasions?

 

27 A. I would say one or two occasions.

 

28 Q. And do you remember the length of the stays 5641

 

1 on those occasions that Jordan stayed there?

 

2 A. A few days each time.

 

3 Q. So during this period of time you had

 

4 custody of Jordan, correct?

 

5 A. Correct.

 

6 Q. Now, you told us, I think, that there were

 

7 two trips to Florida?

 

8 A. Yes.

 

9 Q. Do you remember when the second trip was?

 

10 A. After June. July, early July possibly.

 

11 Q. And do you recall how long you stayed there

 

12 on that occasion?

 

13 A. I would say two or three nights.

 

14 Q. And where did Jordan sleep on those

 

15 occasions?

 

16 A. With Michael.

 

17 Q. Did Lily go with you on that trip?

 

18 A. Yes, she did.

 

19 Q. Had Jordan’s behavior or attitude changed in

 

20 any respect since the first time you described his

 

21 change from Florida, the first trip?

 

22 A. It was the same. Same.

 

23 Q. Father’s Day is in June, okay?

 

24 A. Yes.

 

25 Q. Do you remember a situation where you were

 

26 with Jordan, your son, on Father’s Day?

 

27 A. Yes.

 

28 Q. In 1993? 5642

 

1 A. Yes.

 

2 Q. I’m sure you were with him on other

 

3 occasions. Do you recall where you were in 1993 on

 

4 Father’s Day?

 

5 A. Yes, I was in New York.

 

6 Q. And to your knowledge, in your presence, did

 

7 Jordan call his father on Father’s Day?

 

8 A. Eventually he did, yes.

 

9 Q. And initially, did you have a conversation

 

10 with him?

 

11 A. Yes, I did.

 

12 Q. Did he want to call his father?

 

13 A. No, he didn’t.

 

14 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Hearsay; move to

 

15 strike.

 

16 THE COURT: Sustained. Stricken.

 

17 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: As a result of the

 

18 conversation that you had with your son Jordan, did

 

19 he eventually call his father?

 

20 A. I think he did, yes.

 

21 Q. All right. At some point in time, did you

 

22 receive a message of some sort from your ex-husband

 

23 Evan about Mr. Jackson?

 

24 A. Yes.

 

25 Q. And don’t tell us what was said, okay? I

 

26 just want to get the facts and the background to it.

 

27 Where were you when you first heard the message?

 

28 A. In Michael Jackson’s car. In his limo. 5643

 

1 Q. And was Mr. Jackson with you?

 

2 A. Not when I got that call.

 

3 Q. Did the call come directly to you or did you

 

4 access it in some other fashion?

 

5 A. From another fashion.

 

6 Q. How was that?

 

7 A. Answering machine. I dialed in.

 

8 Q. So you dialed the answering machine on whose

 

9 answering machine?

 

10 A. My answering machine at home.

 

11 Q. And there was a message on the machine from

 

12 your ex-husband Evan, correct?

 

13 A. Correct.

 

14 Q. Did you at some point later play that

 

15 message for Mr. Jackson?

 

16 A. I don’t recall.

Here’s what Evan Chandler said on the voice message to June, according to Ray Chandler’s book, pages 61-63 :

Barry Rothman was still optimistic. He bad prepared two legal documents; a restraining order aimed at Michael to keep him away from Jordie, and a modification of custody to prevent June from taking Jordie on tour. When filed with the court, Barry told Evan, these documents would guarantee an end to the relationship’

His lawyer’s assurances notwithstanding, Evan was hesitant to take the legal route. He had an intense distrust of the courts, and feared, as did Monique, that they’d all end up losing if “the system” became involved. Not that be wouldn’t do it in a heartbeat if that’s what it took to get his son back, but he preferred to use it only as a threat to pressure June into getting rid of Michael.

The problem now was how to get June and Michael to meet with him. Evan had already asked June half a dozen times to talk to him about Jordie. He had asked nicely, and not so nicely. He bad screamed and begged, but all to no avail. What was left? Evan figured that if he made it crystal clear that tins would be their last chance to avoid a legal confrontation, they would have to talk to him. “Did they think I would just give up and never see my son again? Surely June knew me better than that!”

Rothman approved of the plan, but advised Evan not to mention anything about having a lawyer; it might be interpreted as a threat and sour the chances for a meeting. He suggested that Evan prepare a written message and read it to June over the phone. Not only would that avoid any misunderstanding on June’s part about what Evan wanted, it would prevent the phone call from degenerating into an argument — the fate of all of Evan and June’s communications over the past few weeks.

June was out when Evan called and he was about to hang up when it dawned on him that leaving his message on her answering machine was better than talking to her in person. There’d be no arguing, that’s for sure, and Michael could hear it directly from the horse’s mouth, as opposed to June’s interpretation.

“It’s Wednesday, July 7. June, make sure you play this message for Michael and Jordie. I’m going to repeat that. June, make sure you play this message for Michael and Jordie. All three of you are responsible for what is going on. No one is a neutral party. Since Jordie has repeatedly refused to return my phone calls, this will be my last voluntary attempt to communicate. I will be at your house at San Lorenzo this Friday, July 9 at 8:30 in the morning. Take my word for it, there is nothing else any of you has to do that is more important than being at this meeting.”

June and Michael picked up die message later that evening when she called her answering machine from the limo.

Despite the numerous arguments Evan and June had had over the past month about Jordie and Michael, and that June knew Evan had not seen or spoken to Jordie for over a month, and despite the fact that Evan’s message specifically mentioned Jordie’s refusal to talk to him, June later testified that she had no idea why Evan wanted to meet.

When asked, under oath, if Evan had voiced his concerns about Jordie and Michael to her during the month he did not see his son, June’s attorney would not permit her to answer.

June testified that she found Evan’s message “threatening” and “ominous,” and that her immediate response was to call Dave to see if he could figure out what Evan had wanted — though she and Dave “had not been on speaking terms” at the time.

Dave testified that when he heard Evan’s message, he, like Evan, “was very frustrated about what was going on with Michael Jackson. I can’t tell you the frustration and depression and gut-ripping feelings I had about Michael Jackson . . . maliciously and with intent trying to disrupt my family.”

Despite these strong admissions from Dave, and his further testimony that between March and August he asked June numerous times if she thought there was any sex between Jordie and Michael, and despite Evan’s coming to him just five days before to seek his help in ridding the family of Michael, and despite Evan’s clear reference to Jordie on the message, Dave also swore, so help him God, that he had no idea what Evan wanted to talk about.

When Michael heard the message, he immediately called his attorney, Bert Fields. What happened next is best heard from Fields himself, in a 1993 interview he gave to Vanity Fair.

He [Fields] remembers hearing in early July that Jordie’s father was very angry and was demanding a meeting with Michael, because Jackson called Fields about it. “I stopped Michael from going to a meeting,” Fields says. The next thing Fields did was call Anthony Pellicano to say the father was accusing Michael of molesting Jordie. Then they got on a conference call with the mother and stepfather. On the very first call, Fields says, the stepfather told him that he thought the father “wants money.” In an effort to help his wife, the stepfather secretly recorded three conversations with the father, and reported back to Fields and Pellicano.

 

Next, Sneddon questioned June about her interactions with Jackson’s private investigator Anthony Pellicano. He was hired by Jackson and his attorney Bert Fields after they heard Evan Chandler’s voice message to June. She was present during his interview with Jordan Chandler, in which he denied any and all abuse against Jackson, although she wasn’t in the room with them:

17 Q. Are you familiar with a person by the name

 

18 of Anthony Pellicano?

 

19 A. Yes, I am.

 

20 Q. And who is Anthony Pellicano, to your

 

21 knowledge?

 

22 A. A private investigator.

 

23 Q. And was Mr. Pellicano introduced to you by

 

24 somebody?

 

25 A. By Bert Fields and Michael Jackson.

 

26 Q. In relationship to this voice message that

 

27 you received on your message machine at your house,

 

28 do you recall how many days after that particular 5644

 

1 message, you received that message, that you were

 

2 introduced to Mr. Pellicano and Mr. Fields by Mr.

 

3 Jackson?

 

4 A. It could be a week later.

 

5 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Move to strike;

 

6 misstates the evidence; and no foundation.

 

7 THE COURT: Sustained, stricken.

 

8 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Did you meet Anthony

 

9 Pellicano through the defendant, Michael Jackson?

 

10 A. Yes.

 

11 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading.

 

12 THE COURT: Overruled. The answer is,

13 “Yes.” Next question.

 

14 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Did you meet Bert Fields

 

15 through the defendant, Michael Jackson?

 

16 A. Yes.

 

17 Q. Were you present during conversations with

 

18 Mr. Pellicano and Mr. Fields and Mr. Jackson?

 

19 A. Yes, I was.

 

20 Q. And this all occurred after the voice mail

 

21 had been left on your message machine by your

 

22 ex-husband Evan Chandler?

 

23 A. Yes, sir.

 

24 Q. Now, did the defendant, Michael Jackson,

 

25 tell you who Anthony Pellicano was?

 

26 A. Yes, he did.

 

27 Q. What did he say about Mr. Pellicano?

 

28 A. “He can find out anything. He’s really good 5645

 

1 at this. He’s really good at investigating. If

 

2 you’re having a problem, he’ll get to the bottom of

 

3 it.”

 

4 Q. And Mr. Fields, Bert Fields, is what — you

 

5 know him by name. What occupation is he?

 

6 A. He’s an attorney.

 

7 Q. And he’s an attorney who works for who? Or

 

8 at this point in time, who did you know he was

 

9 working for?

 

10 A. He worked for Michael Jackson.

 

11 Q. Now, at some point in time, did you go to

 

12 Mr. Pellicano’s office to be interviewed by Mr.

 

13 Pellicano?

 

14 A. Yes.

 

15 Q. And did somebody go with you?

 

16 A. Yes.

 

17 Q. Who was that?

 

18 A. My ex-husband, Dave Schwartz.

 

19 Q. And was there anybody else present during

 

20 this conversation?

 

21 A. I don’t remember. It could be Bert Fields

 

22 also.

 

23 Q. Now, after that conversation, did you go

 

24 somewhere else? Do you recall where you went?

 

25 A. To Michael Jackson’s home in Century City,

 

26 apartment in Century City.

 

27 Q. And was Mr. Jackson there?

 

28 A. He might have been. 5646

 

1 Q. At that particular location, was your son

 

2 Jordan Chandler there, can you tell us?

 

3 A. Yes, he might have been there, too.

 

4 Q. Do you recall whether or not or do you

 

5 recall an incident — doesn’t have to be on that

 

6 particular occasion, but do you recall an occasion

 

7 whether or not your son Jordan Chandler was ever

 

8 interviewed by Anthony Pellicano?

 

9 A. Yes, he was.

 

10 Q. Where did that interview take place?

 

11 A. In the Century City apartment.

 

12 Q. Were you present?

 

13 A. Yes.

 

14 Q. Were you present during the conversation?

 

15 A. No.

 

16 Q. Where were you?

 

17 A. Upstairs or in his — somewhere else.

 

18 Q. And do you recall how long that conversation

 

19 took?

 

20 A. Could have been 45 minutes.

 

21 Q. Now, after Mr. Pellicano and Mr. Fields were

 

22 introduced to you by Michael Jackson, were you

 

23 involved in some issues involving a change in

 

24 custody of your son Jordan?

 

25 A. Yes.

 

26 Q. And were you — were you presented with some

 

27 papers to sign?

 

28 A. Yes, I was. 5647

 

1 Q. And those papers did what?

 

2 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Hearsay;

 

3 foundation; relevance.

 

4 THE COURT: Foundation; sustained.

 

5 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: The papers were presented

 

6 to you by whom?

 

7 A. By Pellicano.

 

8 Q. And was Mr. Fields present?

 

9 A. I don’t think at that time.

 

10 Q. Do you recall if the defendant, Michael

 

11 Jackson, was present?

 

12 A. No, he wasn’t.

 Next, Sneddon questioned June about the child custody papers that Jackson allegedly asked her to sign that would give Evan temporary custody of Jordan. According to June, Jackson was very nervous about the possibility of Evan filing a lawsuit against him:

13 Q. At some point in time did you have a

 

14 conversation with Michael Jackson about signing

 

15 those papers?

 

16 A. I don’t recall talking to Michael about the

 

17 papers.

 

18 Q. Do you recall giving a statement to an

 

19 attorney, a Deputy District Attorney with the Los

 

20 Angeles District Attorney’s Office on September 3rd

 

21 of 1993?

 

22 A. Yes, I do.

 

23 Q. And it was Miss Lauren Weis?

 

24 A. Yes, it was.

 

25 Q. And you gave a rather lengthy statement to

 

26 Miss Weis?

 

27 A. Yes, I did.

 

28 Q. Do you recall telling Miss Weis that – 5648

 

1 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Leading; hearsay;

 

2 move to strike.

 

3 MR. SNEDDON: It’s foundational, or to

 

4 refresh her recollection.

 

5 THE COURT: If you want to refresh her

 

6 recollection with something, you can approach her

 

7 and show the item.

 

8 MR. SNEDDON: All right. Counsel, page 95,

 

9 lines 15 to 19.

 

10 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Foundation, Your

 

11 Honor.

 

12 THE COURT: You have to ask her if it will

 

13 help refresh her recollection, or it might.

 

14 MR. SNEDDON: Can I show it to her first?

 

15 That’s the way counsel’s been doing it.

 

16 MR. MESEREAU: No, I haven’t at all.

 

17 THE COURT: Actually, he’s been asking them

 

18 if it would refresh their recollection if he showed

 

19 them something.

 

20 MR. SNEDDON: All right.

 

21 Q. Do you recall that conversation?

 

22 A. Yes, I do.

 

23 Q. And — and it occurred at a point in time

 

24 when things were a lot fresher in your mind than

 

25 they are now?

 

26 A. Yes.

 

27 Q. Would it help, perhaps, if you looked at the

 

28 statement, that it might help refresh your 5649

 

1 recollection?

 

2 A. Yes.

 

3 MR. SNEDDON: May I approach the witness,

 

4 Your Honor?

 

5 THE COURT: Yes.

 

6 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Just read it to yourself.

 

7 Start here and right down to here. How’s that?

 

8 Counsel, I’m having her read lines 11 to

 

9 line 25.

10 MR. MESEREAU: I’m going to object to that.

 

11 That’s improper refreshing of recollection and it’s

 

12 hearsay, foundational, to have her just read it.

 

13 MR. SNEDDON: That’s all I’m asking her to

 

14 do. I’m just trying to help you try to find out

 

15 where it is.

 

16 THE COURT: All right. Just let her look at

 

17 it. Counsel knows you can refresh a person’s

 

18 recollection with anything.

 

19 MR. MESEREAU: Your Honor, I thought she was

 

20 reading it out loud. That was my mistake. I

 

21 withdraw the objection.

 

22 THE COURT: That would have been improper.

 

23 MR. SNEDDON: We’ve been down that road

 

24 before.

 

25 THE COURT: All right, I’m sorry. Did we —

 

26 where are we?

 

27 (Laughter.)

 

28 MR. SNEDDON: I know where we are. 5650

 

1 THE COURT: Is it break time yet? No.

 

2 (Laughter.)

 

3 MR. SNEDDON: I’m sorry, Judge. You’re

 

4 going to have to suffer for six more minutes and

 

5 you’re not getting out of here a minute early.

 

6 Payback is you-know-what.

 

7 Q. All right. Mrs. Chandler, with regard to

 

8 whether or not the defendant was present, did that

 

9 refresh your recollection?

 

10 A. Yes, it does.

 

11 Q. And do you recall whether the defendant was

 

12 present?

 

13 A. He was present.

 

14 Q. And does it refresh — did the defendant,

 

15 Michael Jackson, make statements to you with regard

 

16 to the particular documents that you were being

 

17 asked to sign?

 

18 A. Yes, he did.

 

19 Q. And do you recall what he told you?

 

20 A. He was frantic. He was begging me to, “Come

 

21 over and sign this so there won’t be any lawsuits or

 

22 anything. Just sign it, sign it.”

 

23 Q. And, in effect, what you signed did what to

 

24 you personally?

 

25 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Hearsay;

 

26 foundation.

 

27 MR. SNEDDON: Let me go back, Judge. I

 

28 think I can correct this. 5651

 

1 Q. I am assuming you read the document before

 

2 you signed it?

 

3 A. Briefly.

 

4 Q. And you understood what it meant when you

 

5 were signing it?

 

6 A. Not really.

 

7 Q. Okay. You understood — well, let me ask

 

8 you this: Did you understand — if you didn’t

 

9 understand all of it, you understood some of it,

 

10 correct?

 

11 A. Yes, I did.

 

12 Q. Did you understand a part of it that had to

 

13 do with who was going to have custody for the

 

14 children temporarily?

 

15 A. Exactly, yes.

 

16 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; leading.

 

17 THE COURT: Overruled.

 

18 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: I’m sorry?

 

19 A. Yes.

 

20 Q. And it wasn’t going to be you anymore?

 

21 A. Exactly.

 

22 Q. Did you sign that paper?

 

23 A. I did.

Here’s an excerpt from Geraldine Hughes’ “Redemption”, pages 76-82 , where she discusses the temporary custody agreement for Evan Chandler:

Dr. Evan Chandler and June Chandler divorced in 1985 due to a series of problems in their marriage. June Chandler received sole custody of their son, while Dr. Chandler was ordered to pay five hundred dollars a month in child support. Both June and Evan later remarried, and at the time of the child molestation allegations appeared to be sharing custody of their son without any problems.

As mentioned before… Michael Jackson met the Chandler boy, a friendship developed and Michael Jackson began spending a lot of time with the boy, his step-sister and mother at his Neverland Ranch. His mother, June Schwartz (June Chandler), admired Michael Jackson and did not have a problem with their friendship. In the beginning, Dr. Chandler did not mind sharing the affection of his son with the superstar, but after a while, the relationship between his son and Michael Jackson appeared to begin to take its toll when the 13-year old boy started spending more time with Michael Jackson than Dr. Chandler.

Dr. Chandler encouraged Michael Jackson to start spending time with the boy at his house. It began to appear as if he wanted a piece of the action as well. It was reported that Dr. Chandler asked Michael Jackson to build an extension on his house, a request that Michael Jackson considered. When Michael Jackson’s request to build an addition onto his home ran into difficulty from the zoning department, Dr. Chandler boldly suggested that Michael Jackson simply build him a new house elsewhere.

The relationship between Michael Jackson and Dr. Chandler was becoming strained because of Dr. Chandler’s threats. (More on the threats later.) For a short time after this, Michael Jackson began to withdraw from visiting the boy at Dr. Chandler’s home. Dr. Chandler, in the recorded phone conversation with Dave Schwartz, reported he didn’t know why Michael Jackson had stopped visiting him.

On the other hand, Michael Jackson’s relationship with the Chandler boy and his mother continued to flourish. The boy, his step-sister and mother began traveling with him and were going to accompany Michael Jackson on his Dangerous Tour. Dr. Chandler became furious when he got word of this news. Some say that Dr. Chandler was furious because he was being cut out of the relationship with his son and Michael Jackson.

Dr. Chandler told Mr. Schwartz, in the recorded phone conversation, that he was mad at Michael for breaking up his family. He also admitted that he told Michael Jackson exactly what he wanted out of the deal.

It was at this point that Dr. Chandler hired Barry Rothman. It appears to me that if custody was the main issue he should have hired a family law attorney. Mr. Rothman was primarily known as an entertainment attorney, but had recently handled a child abuse case in which a female client accused the father of child molestation. Please note that Mr. Rothman, once again, represented the accuser.

In order for Dr. Chandler to carry out his plan, he needed custody of his 13-year old son. It would have been difficult to carry out such a plan without full custody or with interference from the child’s mother.

In July 1993, Bertram Fields of Greenberg, Glusker, Fields, Claman & Machtinger, who was Michael Jackson’s attorney, acted as an intermediary between June Schwartz and Barry Rothman during the custody battle between Dr. Chandler and his former wife, June Schwartz. Mr. Fields stated that he did not represent either party, but was merely carrying messages back and forth between them.

Dr. Chandler wanted June Schwartz to let him have custody of their 13-year old son for one week, beginning on July 12,1993. Mr. Rothman promised June Schwartz that her 13-year old son could be picked up at Dr. Chandler’s home on the evening of July 18,1993 and returned to her custody. June Schwartz did not trust her former husband and was reluctant to honor his request. Only after Mr. Rothman had given his word to Mr. Fields, as a fellow attorney, that Dr. Chandler would live up to his commitment and return the boy on the evening of July 18,1993, did June Schwartz allow Dr. Chandler to have custody of their son for the week.

On July 12,1993, immediately after gaining custody of his 13-year old son, Dr. Chandler demanded that June Schwartz sign a stipulation prepared by Mr. Rothman. (A stipulation is a legal document that binds the parties to the terms specified and mutually agreed upon as set forth therein.) The stipulation stated that— 1) June Schwartz would not take their minor son from the County of Los Angeles without the prior written consent of Dr. Chandler; if she did she would do so in writing, setting forth where the minor will be taken, how long he will be gone, and who he would be with. 2) It allowed June Schwartz two days visitation per week based upon the terms and conditions that she not allow their 13-year old son to have contact or communication with Michael Jackson. 3) That if June Schwartz violated this term and condition, her visitation with her son would be limited and require supervised visitation, which she would bear the cost. 4) That all outstanding child support obligations from Dr. Chandler be deemed paid in full and that no further child support be required as long as he maintained full physical custody of their 13-year old child.

On the evening of July 18, 1993, Dr. Chandler failed to return the custody of the 13-year old boy to his former wife as he had promised, despite Mr. Rothman’s word as a fellow attorney. He also ignored her repeated requests to return their son to her custody.

It appeared as if Dr. Chandler was holding his 13-year old son hostage from his mother when he presented her with the stipulation. June Schwartz stated that she signed the stipulation, as unreasonable as it was, because Dr. Chandler told her that if she didn’t sign it he would not return their son to her custody. Ironically, even though June Schwartz signed the stipulation on July 12,1993, Dr. Chandler still did not return the 13-year old boy, as he had promised, on July 18,1993.

On August 16,1993, Mr. Rothman received a call from June Schwartz’s attorney advising him that an Ex Parte hearing would be held on August 17,1993, demanding the immediate return of the 13-year old boy to her custody. As of that date, Dr. Chandler had custody of the 13-year old boy for one month and five days. He had ample opportunity to carry out the threats previously mentioned to Mr. Schwartz.

An Ex Parte motion is an emergency hearing which the Court places on its calendar to be heard the next day. It only requires notification by telephone to all the concerned parties, and opposition paperwork must be served on the parties in the courtroom and argued before a Judge during the hearing.

Ex Parte Motions allow both parties to present a memorandum of points and authorities, which presents the Judge with established laws and past cases —referred to as precedents. In other words, standards, guides and patterns. An Ex Parte Motion also allows both parties to submit a declaration, which is a signed affidavit under oath, containing pertinent facts pertaining to the action that is before him/her, along with exhibits that can offer proof of the submitted statements.

On August 16,1993, the law office of Freeman and Golden, June Schwartz’s attorneys, called the law office of Barry Rothman and informed him that they would be appearing in court the very next day to obtain an Ex Parte order demanding the immediate return of the 13-year old Chandler boy. This motion filed by June Schwartz’s attorney must have caught Mr. Rothman and Dr. Chandler off guard — it obviously was not a part of their plan and must have placed them in a panic as to how to deal with it.

I feel it’s worth mentioning that attorneys are like doctors; they specialize in certain areas of law. Mr. Rothman, being an entertainment attorney, which primarily deals with contracts and negotiations, was lacking in the area of litigation skills.

Because Mr. Rothman was not a litigation attorney, he simply responded to the Ex Parte Motion by filing a declaration on behalf of Dr. Chandler. There were no points and authorities in the declaration giving the Judge legal grounds for their position, nor did it include anything to defend their position. More importantly, there was no mention whatsoever about any suspicion on Dr. Chandler’s part in regards to his 13-year old son having been sexually molested by Michael Jackson. (There was absolutely no mention of child sexual abuse in the response to the motion.)

A real case of child molestation would have caused any normal parent to simply pick up the telephone and call the police or the child abuse hotline. Giving Dr. Chandler the benefit of the doubt in not doing what a normal parent would have done, the second course of action would have been to seek an order from the Court for custody that would guarantee the safety of his son. I know of no Judge anywhere who would not have granted Dr. Chandler an order for custody had he made any mention of sexual molestation in his response to June Schwartz’s Ex Parte Motion.

When Mr. Rothman filed the declaration in response to June Schwartz’s Ex Parte Motion on August 16,1993, Dr. Chandler had already been negotiating with Michael Jackson since August 4,1993, for money in exchange for not going public with his suspicion of child molestation.

This point, however, speaks for itself. Let me break it down and make it more easily understood. The Ex Parte Motion filed by June Schwartz caught Dr. Chandler and Mr. Rothman by surprise because they had not anticipated for it in their plan. (She had thrown them a curve ball…. as Dr. Chandler had admitted “we were moving according to a plan.”) Because it required immediate response and attention, they were not prepared to adequately deal with such a crucial issue on the spur of the moment.

The fact that the declaration filed by Mr. Rothman in response to June Schwartz’s Ex Parte Motion did not mention anything about Dr. Chandler’s suspicion of child molestation validates, in my mind, that they were indeed moving according to a certain plan, because that would have been the perfect opportunity for Dr. Chandler and Mr. Rothman to officially bring up the issue of child molestation if they wanted to make certain his son was safe. (It appeared that Dr. Chandler was holding off on reporting his allegations as part of the plan.)

When someone calls the child protection hotline and reports an incident of child abuse, they immediately assign a social worker who comes to interview the child and family. If a determination is made on the part of the social worker that the child is in danger of any type of abuse, the worker will immediately remove the child and place him, or her, in protective custody. The law requires that a hearing is set within 48 hours, giving the parents an opportunity to be heard and recommendations to be made by the social worker. Either way, it all still leads back to the court system where a determination as to what is in the best interest of the child will be made.

As a result of Dr. Chandler and Mr. Rothman not supplying the Judge with any evidence or information in the declaration stating they had good reason to keep custody of the 13-year old boy, the Court ordered, forthwith, (immediately) that Dr. Chandler return custody of his son back to June Schwartz.

The Court also ordered the stipulation that Dr. Chandler insisted June Schwartz sign be overturned. Dr. Chandler lost the Ex Parte Motion and the Court ordered him to return the 13-year old child to June Schwartz’s custody forthwith.

After being ordered to return the custody of the 13-year boy old to June Schwartz, instead of obeying the Court’s order, Dr. Chandler, instead, took the boy to see the psychiatrist, who then reported the child abuse on the same day of the Ex Parte Motion hearing—August 17,1993. It was only days after Dr. Chandler took his 13-year old son to the psychiatrist that the child molestation allegations were leaked to the news media and became public knowledge.

 

Sneddon then backtracked to an alleged incident at Neverland where she and her brother and sister-in-law walked into Jackson’s bedroom and saw Jackson and Jordan sitting on the bed. (Big whooptie doo!) June was then asked about the lawsuit that was filed against Jackson by Larry Feldman in 1993, and she contradicted herself by stating that she participated in it as a representative of Jordan, and she supported him, but did not “ask” for any financial compensation! What the hell was the purpose of the lawsuit if she didn’t expect to be compensated?

24 Q. Mrs. Chandler, I neglected to ask you about

 

25 one other incident that occurred at Neverland Ranch,

 

26 okay?

 

27 A. Yes.

 

28 Q. So pardon me if we can go back in time from 5652

 

1 where we are presently. And then we’re almost done,

 

2 okay?

 

3 A. Okay.

 

4 Q. Do you recall whether there was ever any

 

5 occasion where your brother and your sister-in-law

 

6 ever visited Neverland Valley Ranch?

 

7 A. Yes, I do recall.

 

8 Q. Do you know approximately when it was that

 

9 they visited Neverland Valley Ranch?

 

10 A. Approximately May.

 

11 Q. And do you know how long they were there?

 

12 A. For the day.

 

13 Q. Just came up for the day?

 

14 A. Yes. For the day.

 

15 Q. And do you recall, were you with them while

 

16 they were at the ranch?

 

17 A. Yes, I was.

 

18 Q. Was Jordan at the ranch?

 

19 A. Yes, he was.

 

20 Q. Where was Jordan?

 

21 A. With Michael.

 

22 Q. Now, do you remember about what time it was

 

23 when you left that day, you personally?

 

24 A. Before eight o’clock.

 

25 Q. Eight o’clock —

 

26 A. P.m.

 

27 Q. P.m. Now, do you recall seeing Mr. Jackson

 

28 and Jordan before you left? 5653

1 A. Yes.

 

2 Q. And where did you see them?

 

3 A. They were in Michael Jackson’s bedroom.

 

4 Q. And do you recall — did you go into the

 

5 bedroom?

 

6 A. Yes.

 

7 Q. Did you go in there with your brother and

 

8 sister-in-law?

 

9 A. Yes, we did.

 

10 Q. And when you went into the bedroom, where

 

11 was Mr. Jackson?

 

12 A. In the bedroom with Jordan.

 

13 Q. Do you recall where?

 

14 A. Could be on the bed.

 

15 Q. You don’t remember specifically?

 

16 A. Not specifically.

 

17 Q. Okay. And Jordan, do you recall where he

 

18 was?

 

19 A. On the bed, too.

 

20 Q. Now, at some point in time, Mrs. Chandler,

 

21 your son Jordan Chandler was involved in a lawsuit,

 

22 Chandler versus Jackson, a civil lawsuit. Do you

 

23 recall that?

 

24 A. Yes, I do.

 

25 Q. And were you a participant in that lawsuit

 

26 as a representative of your son?

 

27 A. Yes, I was.

 

28 Q. And who was the lawyer who represented your 5654

 

1 son during the majority of that litigation?

 

2 A. Larry Feldman.

 

3 Q. And to your knowledge, was a lawsuit filed

 

4 on behalf of your son against the defendant, Michael

 

5 Jackson?

 

6 A. Yes.

 

7 Q. And did you assist or help Mr. Feldman in

 

8 the preparation of that lawsuit?

 

9 A. Yes.

 

10 Q. And did you support your son during that

 

11 lawsuit?

 

12 A. I did.

 

13 Q. Now, as a result of the lawsuit, did your

 

14 son — and please — don’t tell us the amount,

 

15 please. Did your son receive monetary compensation

 

16 from Mr. Jackson?

 

17 A. Yes, he did.

 

18 Q. Now, also as a result of that lawsuit, did

 

19 you receive some monetary compensation?

 

20 A. Yes, I did.

 

21 Q. Did you ever ask to be compensated in any

 

22 way as a result of what had happened?

 

23 A. No.

 

24 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Foundation; and

 

25 hearsay.

 

26 THE COURT: All right. Overruled.

 

27 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: You did not?

 

28 A. No. 5655

 

1 Q. And where did the idea for you receiving

 

2 compensation come from, to your knowledge?

 

3 MR. MESEREAU: Objection, to the extent it

 

4 calls for hearsay.

 

5 THE COURT: Sustained.

 

6 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: As a result of this

 

7 lawsuit, did you receive money?

 

8 A. Yes, I did.

 

9 Q. Did you have to sign something in exchange

 

10 for that money?

 

11 A. Yes, I did.

 

12 Q. And what did you sign?

 

13 A. A disclosure agreement.

 

14 Q. And what does that mean?

 

15 A. Confidentiality agreement.

 

16 THE COURT: All right. Let’s take our break.

 

17 (Recess taken.)

In order to pound the jury with the message that Jackson pays off the parents of his “special friends” in order to gain their trust and have the ability to spend exorbitant amounts of time alone with their songs, Sneddon again questioned June about the extravagant gifts that she received from Jackson:

18 THE COURT: Go ahead.

 

19 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Mrs. Chandler, I just have

 

20 a couple of questions.

 

21 I want to go back to something we talked

 

22 about before. You told the jury that the defendant,

 

23 Michael Jackson, gave you a gift certificate at one

 

24 point in time?

 

25 A. Correct.

 

26 Q. And it was to Segal?

 

27 A. Fred Segal is a store in Santa Monica.

 

28 Q. Okay. And what was the amount of that 5656

 

1 certificate?

 

2 A. $7,000.

 

3 Q. Okay. Now, let’s just go back and finish up

 

4 the last part of what we were talking about.

 

5 With regard to the lawsuit, you signed some

 

6 kind of an agreement, correct?

 

7 A. Correct.

 

8 Q. In exchange for that, you were given some

 

9 money?

 

10 A. Yes.

 

11 Q. Do you recall, based upon what you know,

 

12 what the agreement was, what it required of you?

 

13 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; hearsay.

 

14 THE COURT: Sustained.

 

15 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: What did you give up in

 

16 return for receiving money?

 

17 MR. MESEREAU: Same objection. Hearsay and

 

18 foundation.

 

19 THE COURT: Sustained.

 

20 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Did you read the agreement

 

21 before you signed it?

 

22 A. Yes.

 

23 Q. And who presented it to you?

 

24 A. Larry Feldman.

 

25 Q. Did he go over it with you before you signed

 

26 it?

 

27 A. Yes.

 

28 Q. And you understood what you were signing? 5657

 

1 A. Yes, we did.

 

2 Q. And you read the document?

 

3 A. Yes.

 

4 Q. And what did it require you to do in order

 

5 to obtain money from the defendant, Mr. Jackson?

 

6 You personally.

 

7 A. We couldn’t —

 

8 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Hearsay and

 

9 foundation.

 

10 THE COURT: Sustained.

 

11 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: Have you ever written any

 

12 books —

 

13 A. Never.

 

14 Q. — about what happened?

 

15 A. No, I have not.

 

16 Q. Did any interviews?

 

17 A. Never.

 

18 Q. Made any money selling anything —

 

19 A. No.

 

20 Q. — about your experience?

 

21 A. No.

 

22 MR. SNEDDON: Nothing further.

 

23 THE COURT: Cross-examine?

 

24 MR. MESEREAU: Yes, please, Your Honor.

Under cross examination by Thomas Mesereau, June was grilled about the stipulation that she signed in July 1993 that allowed Jordan Chandler to stay with Evan for a one week visitation. In 1993, she signed it under penalty of law stating that the only reason she agreed to it was Evan’s threat that Jordan wouldn’t be returned to her if she didn’t sign it, and NOT because Jackson or his attorneys forced her to, as she insinuated under direct examination:

26 CROSS-EXAMINATION

 

27 BY MR. MESEREAU:

 

28 Q. Mrs. Chandler, my name is Tom Mesereau and I 5658

 

1 speak for Michael Jackson, okay?

 

2 A. Yes.

 

3 Q. If anything I ask you is not clear, please

 

4 don’t answer. Just say you don’t understand it, and

 

5 I’ll try to rephrase it, okay?

 

6 A. Okay.

 

7 Q. Now, in response to the prosecutor’s

 

8 questions, you said you entered into a stipulation

 

9 regarding custody of your son Jordie, correct?

 

10 A. Correct.

 

11 Q. And in response to the prosecutor’s

 

12 questions, you said you did it because Michael

 

13 Jackson told you to do it, right?

 

14 A. One of the people. He was one.

 

15 Q. Well, do you remember signing a sworn

 

16 declaration regarding that stipulation?

 

17 A. I remember signing something about custody

 

18 of Jordie.

 

19 Q. Do you remember signing a sworn declaration

 

20 in which you said the only reason you signed the

 

21 stipulation was because your ex-husband wouldn’t

 

22 return Jordie to you if you didn’t, right?

 

23 A. Correct.

 

24 Q. And you said further, you thought the

 

25 stipulation was merely for a one-week visitation

 

26 period, right?

 

27 A. Correct.

 

28 Q. Nowhere in that declaration did you say 5659

 

1 anything about Michael Jackson telling you to sign

2 anything, right?

 

3 A. That’s not correct.

 

4 Q. Would it refresh your recollection to look

 

5 at your declaration?

 

6 A. I’d be happy to.

 

7 MR. MESEREAU: May I approach, Your Honor?

 

8 THE COURT: Yes.

 

9 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Miss Chandler, have you

 

10 had a chance to look at that sworn declaration?

 

11 A. Yes, I have.

 

12 Q. Does it refresh your recollection about what

 

13 you said in the declaration?

 

14 A. Sort of.

 

15 Q. Isn’t it true you said the only reason you

 

16 signed it was because your ex-husband told you that

 

17 if you didn’t sign the stipulation, you would not

 

18 have Jordan returned to you, right?

 

19 A. That’s correct.

 

20 Q. You said that was the only reason, correct?

 

21 A. That’s not the only reason.

 

22 Q. Well, you signed it under penalty of

 

23 perjury, did you not?

 

24 A. I wasn’t asked who else was asking me to

 

25 sign it.

 

26 Q. Who prepared the declaration for you to

 

27 sign?

 

28 A. Evan Chandler’s attorney. 5660

 

1 Q. Were you represented by counsel when you

 

2 signed this declaration?

 

3 A. Oooh. I might have been.

 

4 Q. You actually were, weren’t you?

 

5 A. I — I don’t recall.

 

6 Q. You were represented by counsel because you

 

7 were trying to set aside the stipulation in court,

 

8 right?

 

9 MR. SNEDDON: Well, Your Honor, I’m going to

 

10 object to that. That’s misleading as to point and

 

11 time, and vague.

 

12 MR. MESEREAU: It’s not misleading at all.

 

13 MR. SNEDDON: Wait a minute, Counsel.

 

14 Judge, I object as vague as to time as to

 

15 when she was represented.

 

16 THE COURT: All right. I’ll sustain the

 

17 objection. It’s an argumentative question.

 

18 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Miss Chandler, at some

 

19 point you hired a lawyer to help you set aside that

 

20 stipulation, right?

 

21 A. I don’t know if that was the reason why an

 

22 attorney was hired, if it was for that reason.

 

23 Q. And your attorney prepared your declaration,

 

24 true?

 

25 A. I don’t recall.

 

26 Q. Do you recall if the stipulation was ever

 

27 set aside by your attorney?

 

28 A. I don’t recall. 5661

 

1 Q. Do you recall being represented by an

 

2 attorney named Freeman?

 

3 A. Yes, I do.

 

4 Q. And who is Mr. Freeman?

 

5 A. He’s an attorney that represented me for a

 

6 short time.

According to Mary Fischer, Freeman resigned in disgust when June Chandler decided to side with Evan Chandler out of fear that she would be accused of parental neglect for allowing Jordan to sleep in bed with Jackson. Freeman also wholeheartedly believed in Jackson’s innocence; here are a few excerpts from Fischer’s 1994 GQ article “Was Michael Jackson Framed?”

The seeds of settlement were already being sown as the police investigation continued in both counties through the fall of 1993. And a behind-the-scenes battle among Jackson’s lawyers for control of the case, which would ultimately alter the course the defense would take, had begun. By then, June Chandler Schwartz and Dave Schwartz had united with Evan Chandler against Jackson. The boy’s mother, say several sources, feared what Chandler and Rothman might do if she didn’t side with them. She worried that they would try to advance a charge against her of parental neglect for allowing her son to have sleepovers with Jackson. Her attorney, Michael Freeman, in turn, resigned in disgust, saying later that “the whole thing was such a mess. I felt uncomfortable with Evan. He isn’t a genuine person, and I sensed he wasn’t playing things straight.”

Here is Freeman’s thoughts on Jackson’s innocence:

The sole allegations leveled against Jackson, then, remain those made by one youth, and only after the boy had been given a potent hypnotic drug, leaving him susceptible to the power of suggestion. “I found the case suspicious,” says Dr. Underwager, the Minneapolis psychiatrist, “precisely because the only evidence came from one boy. That would be highly unlikely. Actual pedophiles have an average of 240 victims in their lifetime. It’s a progressive disorder. They’re never satisfied.” Given the slim evidence against Jackson, it seems unlikely he would have been found guilty had the case gone to trial. But in the court of public opinion, there are no restrictions. People are free to speculate as they wish, and Jackson’s eccentricity leaves him vulnerable to the likelihood that the public has assumed the worst about him.

So is it possible that Jackson committed no crime— that he is what he has always purported to be, a protector and not a molester of children? Attorney Michael Freeman thinks so: “It’s my feeling that Jackson did nothing wrong and these people [Chandler and Rothman] saw an opportunity and programmed it. I believe it was all about money.”

 

Mesereau then questioned June about a request for a $4 million dollar loan that Dave Schwartz made to Jackson.

7 Q. Do you recall asking Michael Jackson if he

 

8 would loan David Schwartz four million dollars?

 

9 A. Never.

 

10 Q. You say you never did that?

 

11 A. Never did that.

 

12 Q. Okay. Do you recall your ex-husband David

 

13 Schwartz asking you to do that?

 

14 A. Never.

 

15 Q. Do you recall him being five million dollars

 

16 in debt around the time you were associating with

 

17 Michael Jackson?

 

18 A. No.

 

19 Q. Don’t recall that at all?

 

20 A. Not at all.

 

Let’s see what Ray Chandler had to say about that loan in his book “All That Glitters” , pages 75-76:

Dave Schwartz had become a wealthy man since founding die world’s first discount car rental agency. Wealthy enough to be featured on Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. But by July of 1993 he was heavily leveraged in a depressed Los Angeles real estate market and his fortune was precarious.

A day or so before Evan went to Dave’s office to seek his help, Dave approached June with a request. One of his creditors was demanding payment of a five million dollar note but was willing to settle for a lump sum of four million. Dave asked June to present a proposition to Michael in which the star would loan him four million as part of a business deal. June agreed to pass the request on to Michael.

Survival Mode. Dave was starved for cash and waiting for Michael Jackson to feed him. According to his own testimony, Dave already suspected that the relationship between Jordie and Michael was sexual. But rather than help Evan get rid of Michael, he helped Michael get rid of Evan.

Based off the following excerpt from pages 169-170, it’s safe to assume that Jackson did not load Dave Schwartz the four million dollars!

As the meeting came to a close, all that was left was to sign the retainer agreement with Larry. Anticipating a huge settlement, Dave assumed that Larry would take less than the standard 25 percent rather than pass up the opportunity, so he began negotiating for a smaller fee.

Larry politely explained that his fee was not out of the ordinary and tried to impart to Dave some idea of the amount of work involved should the case go to trial. But Dave was intractable. He became loud and pushy, demanding that Larry negotiate. Dave was also pissed off at all of the lawyers because they told him that if there was settlement he could not be included.

Larry remained calm. He informed Dave, once again, that because he was neither Jordie’s natural or adoptive father he had no legal claims that could be included in Jordie’s complaint. But Dave became increasingly belligerent each time the lawyers explained why it was not possible. He didn’t give a damn about legalities and kept demanding money. Four million dollars, to be exact. The same amount, according to June, that he attempted to borrow from Michael.

“You fucking son of a bitch!” Evan finally snapped. “If it wasn’t for you none of this would have happened. Shut the fuck up!”

“Fuck you! I’ve supported Jordie for ten years. I’ve been through hell. I’m losing money every day at work. I have as much right to the money as you and June.”

“You greedy bastard! How can you be arguing over money we don’t even have yet. We’re talking about what’s best for Jordie and all you can think of is how much you’re gonna get. That’s all you give a shit about. You stabbed me in the back, you fucking asshole!”

“Go fuck yourself!”

“Fuck you!”

Though recent events had already exposed Dave’s true colors, Evan never suspected they could “shine” this dark. Until now he had consciously subdued his resentment, but in the heat of this verbal battle he sprang from his seat and slapped Dave in the face. Several of the lawyers stepped between tbe two men and separated them.

While Larry and June babysat Dave, Bob Shapiro and Richard Hirsch ushered Evan into an adjoining office. Dave was way out of line, no one disputed that, but they needed everyone to remain united; dissention among the ranks was a weakness the other side was sure to exploit.

There was no telling what Dave might do in his present state. The lawyers were concerned that the press would catch him running amuck and shooting off his mouth, so they prevailed on Evan to swallow his pride and apologize to Dave.

 

In this excerpt, June made a startling revelation: she stated that she did not sue Jackson, despite the fact that she signed the retainer agreement! You can see her signature in the photo below:

And pay attention to the language she used to describe Evan and Jordan! She said “Jordan Chandler and his family”, which is a very odd way for her to describe her son and ex-husband!

But when you consider the fact that she had not spoken to Jordan in 11 years, no wonder she felt so detached from him!

21 Q. Okay. When you sued Michael Jackson, you

 

22 sued through Larry Feldman, true?

 

23 A. I did not sue Michael Jackson. Jordan

 

24 Chandler and his family were — that was his family.

 

25 We did not sue Michael Jackson.

 

26 Q. Okay. So you never sued him yourself,

 

27 you’re saying?

 

28 A. I don’t believe that’s how it was worded. 5662

 

1 Q. Okay. Do you recall meetings with your

 

2 attorney about that lawsuit?

 

3 A. Yes, I do.

 

4 Q. Now, you — you and Jordan’s father Evan

 

5 were divorced in 1985, true?

 

6 A. Correct.

 

7 Q. And you obtained sole custody of Jordan,

 

8 right?

 

9 A. Yes.

 

10 Q. And you had an informal arrangement where

 

11 Evan could have custody or at least visitation

 

12 rights of Jordie from time to time, correct?

 

13 A. Correct.

 

14 Q. What year did you marry David Schwartz?

15 A. 1985.

 

16 Q. Now, is it correct that he became Jordan’s

 

17 stepfather?

 

18 A. Correct.

 

19 Q. And for how long was he Jordie’s stepfather?

 

20 A. For approximately six to eight years.

 

21 Q. What year did he cease to be Jordie’s

 

22 stepfather?

 

23 A. When we divorced.

 

24 Q. And what year was that?

 

25 A. 1994.

 

26 Q. And how old is Jordie now?

 

27 A. He is 25 years old.

 

28 Q. Can I ask you when you last spoke to him? 5663

 

1 A. 11 years ago.

June Chandler couldn’t recall Dave Schwartz’s lawsuit against Jackson, in which he claimed that Jackson “interfered” with his business:

2 Q. At one point, David Schwartz sued Michael

 

3 Jackson, correct?

 

4 A. I don’t recall.

 

5 Q. Do you recall him suing Michael Jackson

 

6 claiming that Michael had interfered with his

 

7 business?

 

8 MR. SNEDDON: Your Honor, I’m going to

 

9 object as immaterial; irrelevant; calls for hearsay.

 

10 THE WITNESS: I don’t recall.

 

11 THE COURT: It’s vague as to time.

 

12 MR. MESEREAU: Okay. I’ll rephrase it, Your

 

13 Honor.

 

14 Q. Around the time you and Evan and Jordie sued

 

15 Michael Jackson with Attorney Larry Feldman, do you

 

16 recall your ex-husband, David Schwartz, also suing

 

17 Michael Jackson?

 

18 MR. SNEDDON: Same objection, Your Honor.

 

19 THE WITNESS: I don’t recall.

 

20 THE COURT: Overruled.

 

21 You may answer.

 

22 THE WITNESS: I don’t recall.

 

23 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Okay. Do you recall, in

 

24 response to your lawsuit, Mr. Jackson suing for

 

25 extortion?

 

26 MR. SNEDDON: Your Honor, I’m going to

 

27 object to that question.

 

28 THE COURT: Sustained. Foundation. 5664

Let’s look at what Mary Fischer had to say about Dave Scwhartz’s frivolous lawsuit against Jackson in 1994:

In what may turn out to be the never-ending case, this past August, both Barry Rothman and Dave Schwartz (two principal players left out of the settlement) filed civil suits against Jackson. Schwartz maintains that the singer broke up his family.

 

June once again downplays her role in the lawsuit that she signed on to, and received money from, against Jackson in 1993!

1 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: You sued Michael Jackson,

 

2 right?

 

3 A. Jordan Chandler sued Michael Jackson.

 

4 Q. Were you listed as a plaintiff?

 

5 A. Yes.

 

6 Q. And in response to your suit, Mr. Jackson

 

7 sued for extortion, true?

 

8 A. I don’t recall.

 

9 Q. Okay. Were you and Evan and Jordie all

 

10 represented by Larry Feldman?

 

11 A. Yes, we were.

 

12 Q. Do you know approximately when that suit

 

13 settled?

 

14 A. I guess in ‘95.

 

15 Q. Do you recall Evan suing Mr. Jackson a

 

16 second time?

 

17 A. No.

 

18 Q. Don’t know anything about that?

 

19 A. Nothing.

 

20 Q. Never heard about it?

 

21 A. No.

 

22 Q. Do you know who Attorney Barry Rothman is?

 

23 A. Yes.

 

24 Q. Who is Attorney Barry Rothman?

 

25 A. He was Evan Chandler’s attorney.

 

26 Q. Do you recall Attorney Barry Rothman also

 

27 suing Michael Jackson?

 

28 A. No, I don’t. 5665

Well, June couldn’t recall Evan Chandler’s second lawsuit against Jackson in 1996, but I sure can! He sued Jackson, Lisa Marie Presley, Diane Sawyer & ABC News, Walt Disney Company, Sony Music, and “John Does 1 through 300”, claiming that they participated in slandering him on Jackson’s “HIStory” album, his interview with Diane Sawyer, and other outlets. He sued for $60 million dollars, and the rights to record a “rebuttal” album against Jackson called “EVANstory”! Seriously!

Here is a post on his lawsuit; be sure to open the link that is included so that you can read the lawsuit in its entirety!

Next, Mesereau questioned June about her knowledge of Jackson’s lucrative endorsement deals and ownership of the Beatles catalog. This was to show the jury that Jackson was a financial lottery ticket for the Chandlers, who filed their frivolous lawsuit against Jackson to get a piece of the pie! The fact that Larry Feldman was threatening to ruin Jackson’s music deals speaks volumes! Also, does anyone honestly believe that June and Larry Feldman didn’t discuss the current Arvizo case when they spoke a few days prior to her testimony? I surely don’t believe her, especially given the fact that Feldman admitted earlier in the trial that he spoke to Dr. Stan Katz about the case, which the defense used as a reason to have a mistrial declared, although Judge Melville ultimately ruled against it. (For more information on this, read this post.)

1 Q. Okay. Now, during your trips with Michael

 

2 Jackson, do you recall the name “Sony” ever being

 

3 mentioned?

 

4 A. Yes.

 

5 Q. And in what context was Sony mentioned?

 

6 A. The gifts that Michael Jackson gave were

 

7 from Sony. Sony recorders. We flew on the Sony

 

8 jet. That’s what I remember.

 

9 Q. And do you recall, around the time you were

 

10 associating with Michael Jackson, that Michael

 

11 Jackson had an endorsement deal with PepsiCo?

 

12 A. Yes.

 

13 Q. And to your knowledge, that was the most

 

14 lucrative endorsement deal anyone in the music

 

15 business had ever entered into with PepsiCo,

 

16 correct?

 

17 A. I didn’t know that.

 

18 MR. SNEDDON: Your Honor, that’s immaterial

 

19 and irrelevant.

 

20 THE COURT: Foundation; sustained.

 

21 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Do you recall learning

 

22 from Michael Jackson that he owned an interest in

 

23 The Beatles’ catalog?

 

24 A. Yes.

 

25 Q. Did you discuss that with Mr. Jackson?

 

26 A. Never.

 

27 Q. Did you discuss his deal with PepsiCo with

 

28 Mr. Jackson? 5666

 

1 A. No.

 

2 Q. When you filed your lawsuit against Mr.

 

3 Jackson, your attorney was threatening to ruin Mr.

 

4 Jackson’s music deals, correct?

 

5 A. No. Not that I recall.

 

6 Q. You don’t recall that at all?

 

7 A. Not at all.

 

8 Q. Do you recall participating in settlement

 

9 negotiations?

 

10 A. Yes.

 

11 Q. And when you participated in settlement

 

12 negotiations, where did you used to meet?

 

13 A. Larry Feldman’s offices.

 

14 Q. When did you last talk to Larry Feldman?

 

15 A. Oh, a few days ago.

 

16 Q. Did you talk about what you were going to

 

17 say in court?

 

18 A. No.

 

19 Q. Did you talk about what he said in court?

 

20 A. Briefly.

 

21 Q. Did he call you or did you call him?

 

22 A. I called him.

 

23 Q. Before this discussion a few days ago, when

 

24 was the last time before that you had spoken to

 

25 Larry Feldman?

 

26 A. Oh, um, maybe two months before that.

 

27 Q. And did you talk to him about this case in

 

28 that discussion? 5667

 

1 A. Yes.

 

2 Q. Did you talk to him about what you were

 

3 going to say?

 

4 A. No.

 

5 Q. Did you call him or did he call you?

 

6 A. I called him.

 

7 Q. Did you talk on the phone with him or did

 

8 you meet with him?

 

9 A. Yes, talk on the phone.

 

10 Q. Before that discussion, when had you last

 

11 spoken to Attorney Larry Feldman?

 

12 A. Perhaps ten years ago.

 

13 Q. Okay. But you never discussed anything

 

14 about this case in those discussions, right?

 

15 A. No.

 

16 Q. And you never talked about what you were

 

17 going to be asked in this courtroom in any of those

 

18 discussions, right?

 

19 A. Not to that effect, no.

 

20 Q. Did Mr. Feldman tell you he represents the

 

21 Arvizos in either of those discussions?

 

22 A. I don’t know what that is.

 

23 Q. Okay. So he never talked about his

24 representing anyone associated with this case,

 

25 besides you, right?

 

26 A. Correct.

June was then asked by Mesereau to confirm that Jordan dressed like Jackon for many years prior to meeting him, and this was very common back in the peak of Jackson’s fame in the 80’s and early 90’s (and even now after his death!), as the photos below clearly indicate:

27 Q. Now, you said something in response to the

 

28 prosecutor’s questions about your son changing the 5668

 

1 way he dressed at one point, right?

 

2 A. Correct.

 

3 Q. Didn’t your son used to try and dress like

 

4 Michael Jackson before he even met him?

 

5 A. When he was very young.

June was also asked about any meeting she had with prosecutors prior to testifying, and this time she was actually honest and admitted that she and Sneddon discussed what questions she would be asked, and what answers she would give:

6 Q. Did you meet with the prosecutor before you

 

7 testified today?

 

8 A. Yes.

 

9 Q. When did you meet with the prosecutor to

 

10 talk about anything you said today?

 

11 A. Two days ago.

 

12 Q. And where was that meeting?

 

13 A. In downtown L.A.

 

14 Q. And who did you meet with?

 

15 A. With my attorney.

 

16 Q. And who is your attorney?

 

17 A. Brad Barnholtz.

 

18 Q. Who else did you meet with?

 

19 A. Tom Sneddon.

 

20 Q. Okay. How long a discussion was that?

 

21 A. Oh, perhaps an hour and a half.

 

22 Q. Did you talk about what you were going to

 

23 say today?

 

24 A. Yes.

 

25 Q. Did Mr. Sneddon go over some questions that

 

26 he was going to ask you?

 

27 A. Yes.

 

28 Q. Did you ever go over some answers that you 5669

 

1 were going to give?

 

2 A. Yes.

 

3 Q. When had you met with Mr. Sneddon before

 

4 that meeting?

 

5 A. Never.

 

6 Q. Have you talked to him on the phone?

 

7 A. Yes.

 

8 Q. How many times?

 

9 A. Once or twice.

Here is June’s description of her first time meeting Jackson:

10 Q. Okay. Now, where did you first meet Michael

 

11 Jackson?

 

12 A. At Rent-A-Wreck. The business of my

 

13 ex-husband.

 

14 Q. And that was the day that Mr. Jackson had a

 

15 problem with his car, right?

 

16 A. Yes.

 

17 Q. Okay. And when did you see him after that

 

18 initial meeting?

 

19 A. I guess maybe approximately a few months

 

20 after that.

 

21 Q. The first meeting was approximately August

 

22 ‘92, right?

 

23 A. Correct.

 

24 Q. Okay. And when do you think the next

 

25 meeting was?

 

26 A. Perhaps maybe in February.

 

27 Q. Okay. And again, how did that meeting

 

28 happen? Who called who? 5670

 

1 A. How did the meeting —

 

2 Q. The second meeting. The first time you saw

 

3 him when he had a problem with his car, right?

 

4 A. Correct.

 

5 Q. And then there was a meeting after that?

 

6 A. Right.

 

7 Q. How did that happen?

 

8 A. Through phone conversations with my son.

 

9 And he — and Michael Jackson invited us to

 

10 Neverland.

 

11 Q. Okay. How did you get to Neverland?

 

12 A. By car. By my car. I drove.

 

13 Q. Okay. And did you stay over at Neverland

 

14 that first time?

 

15 A. Yes, I did.

 

16 Q. How long did you stay?

 

17 A. I would say for two nights. One or two

 

18 nights.

 

19 Q. Okay. And your daughter was there as well,

 

20 right?

 

21 A. Yes, she was.

 

22 Q. Okay. And you said that you, your daughter,

 

23 your son, stayed in the guesthouses, correct?

 

24 A. Correct.

 

25 Q. Now, what did you do during the day during

 

26 that visit, during the two days you were there?

 

27 A. We watched movies. We went on rides. We

 

28 visited his zoo. Things like that. 5671

 

1 Q. Okay. And how did you get home? Did you

 

2 drive?

 

3 A. Yes, I did.

 

4 Q. When did you next talk to Michael Jackson

 

5 after that?

 

6 A. Oh, I think probably the day after we got

 

7 back.

 

8 Q. Did he call you?

 

9 A. Yes.

 

10 Q. Okay. Did you talk to him?

 

11 A. Yes.

 

12 Q. And when did you get together again?

 

13 A. Perhaps a week later. A week or two later.

 

14 Q. Did you go to Neverland again?

 

15 A. Yes, we did.

 

16 Q. How did you get there?

 

17 A. He drove. His — sorry, his chauffeur

 

18 drove.

 

19 Q. Okay. And did you stay over —

 

20 A. Yes.

 

21 Q. — on that second trip?

 

22 A. Yes.

 

23 Q. And how long was your stay over there?

 

24 A. A couple of nights.

 

25 Q. Okay. Do you remember what you did on that

 

26 second trip?

 

27 A. Same thing.

 

28 Q. Okay. Did you see Michael very often on the 5672

 

1 first trip?

 

2 A. The whole time, yes.

 

3 Q. Did you see him —

 

4 A. Yes.

 

5 Q. — very often on the second trip?

 

6 A. Yes.

 

7 Q. When you said you went to the zoo and did

 

8 these fun things, was Michael always with you?

 

9 A. The first and second time?

 

10 Q. Yes.

 

11 A. Basically, yes.

 

12 Q. Okay. Did you have dinner in the main house

 

13 with Michael?

 

14 A. Yes.

 

15 Q. And of course your children were there too,

 

16 right?

 

17 A. Correct.

Sneddon made a very strange objection in this excerpt; he objected to Mesereau referring to Jackson by his first name, and to me it seemed kind of odd that he would object to such a petty issue, but I guess because he knew his case was being blown out of the water he needed to find something to nitpick! Besides, I don’t recall him objecting whenever any prosecution witnesses referred to the prosecutors and sheriffs by their first names!

Mesereau then questioned June about her statements to the Sneddon in 1993:

18 Q. After that second trip, when did you next

 

19 have contact with Michael, if you remember?

 

20 MR. SNEDDON: Your Honor, I’m going to

 

21 object to the use of the first name.

 

22 THE COURT: All right.

 

23 MR. MESEREAU: I’ll say “Michael Jackson,”

 

24 Your Honor.

 

25 Q. After your second visit to Neverland, did

 

26 you have further contact with Michael Jackson?

 

27 A. Yes, I did.

28 Q. And please explain what your next contact 5673

 

1 was all about.

 

2 A. I don’t know if that was the time we again

 

3 went to Neverland or we had taken a trip to Las

 

4 Vegas.

 

5 Q. Now, in your discussion with the Los Angeles

 

6 District Attorney in 1993, you talked about your

 

7 visits with Mr. Jackson, right?

 

8 A. Correct.

 

9 Q. Have you looked at that transcript recently?

 

10 A. Yes.

 

11 Q. When did you last look at the transcript?

 

12 A. Briefly, today.

 

13 Q. And how did you get a copy of it?

 

14 A. Through Mr. Sneddon.

 

15 Q. Okay. Did he ask you to read it today?

 

16 A. Did he ask me to read it today?

 

17 Q. Yes.

 

18 A. No.

 

19 Q. Did he ask you to read it at any time?

 

20 A. Yes, he did.

 

21 Q. And when was that?

 

22 A. Last week.

 

23 Q. Did he give you anything else to read before

 

24 you testified?

 

25 A. That’s it.

 

26 Q. Okay. And did you read it from cover to

 

27 cover?

 

28 A. Tried. 5674

 

1 Q. Pardon me?

 

2 A. Yes.

 

3 Q. Okay. Okay. You told the District Attorney

 

4 in Los Angeles when describing your first trip

 

5 there, “Michael Jackson wasn’t the superstar. He

 

6 was a regular person, and we couldn’t believe how

 

7 nice he was,” right?

 

8 A. Correct.

 

9 Q. And you said that after you got there, he

 

10 offered to let you stay over, correct?

 

11 A. Correct.

 

12 Q. Your plan initially wasn’t to stay over,

 

13 right?

 

14 A. Correct.

 

15 Q. You said that first night, Jordie actually

 

16 knocked at your door and said he was going to stay

 

17 with you, right?

 

18 A. Correct.

 

19 Q. So the first night he stayed with you and

 

20 your daughter, right?

 

21 A. Correct.

 

22 Q. Okay. Now, when did you go to Toys-R-Us

 

23 with Michael Jackson?

 

24 A. Could have been the first visit or the

 

25 second visit.

 

26 Q. Okay. And did Michael Jackson offer to take

 

27 you there?

 

28 A. Yes. 5675

 

1 Q. And he did take you there, right?

 

2 A. Yes, he did.

 

3 Q. Did he drive or did you have a driver take

 

4 you there, do you know?

 

5 A. We must have had a driver.

 

6 Q. Okay. Now, at one time, did you visit Roy

 

7 Disney’s widow with Michael?

 

8 A. Never.

 

9 Q. Okay. At some point you told the Los

 

10 Angeles District Attorney that Michael was visiting

 

11 Roy Disney’s widow in Beverly Hills; do you remember

 

12 that?

 

13 A. Not really, but I don’t recall.

 

14 Q. Do you recall telling that to the Los

 

15 Angeles District Attorney?

 

16 A. I don’t recall.

 

17 Q. Would it refresh your recollection to let

 

18 you see that page?

 

19 A. Yes.

 

20 MR. MESEREAU: May I approach, Your Honor?

 

21 THE COURT: Yes.

 

22 THE WITNESS: Thank you.

 

23 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Have you had a chance to

 

24 look at that?

 

25 A. Yes.

 

26 Q. Does it refresh your recollection about what

 

27 you told the Los Angeles District Attorney?

 

28 A. Yes. 5676

 

1 Q. And what did you tell them about that?

 

2 A. I said that I was — we had left and Michael

 

3 was — I had left Neverland with Jordie and Lily,

 

4 and he was going to visit Roy Disney’s widow.

 

5 Q. Okay. Now, was that while you were visiting

 

6 Neverland?

 

7 A. After we left.

 

8 MR. SNEDDON: Object as to vague as to time

 

9 as to what visit.

 

10 MR. MESEREAU: I’ll rephrase it.

 

11 Q. During what visit did Michael Jackson tell

 

12 you he had to visit Roy Disney’s widow?

 

13 A. The first visit.

 

14 MR. SNEDDON: Object as to hearsay.

 

15 THE COURT: Overruled.

 

16 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Was it the first visit?

 

17 A. I think so.

 

18 Q. Do you recall if you and your family stayed

 

19 at Neverland while Mr. Jackson left the premises?

 

20 A. I don’t recall that.

 

21 Q. Okay. Do you recall him making a trip like

 

22 that?

 

23 A. Yes.

In this excerpt, June recalled the times that she spent at Jackson’s hideout apartment, and she once again reiterated the myth that Jackson spent 30 consecutive nights at her house (this will be refuted at the end of this post):

24 Q. Okay. You talked about gifts that Mr.

 

25 Jackson gave you, okay?

 

26 A. Okay.

 

27 Q. Did you ever ask for any of those gifts?

 

28 A. No. 5677

 

1 Q. Did he just give them to you on his own

 

2 initiative as far as you’re concerned?

 

3 A. Yes.

 

4 Q. Okay. Tell us all the gifts you recall him

 

5 giving you.

 

6 A. A gold bracelet. A pair of earrings. A

 

7 necklace. A ring. A gift certificate to a

 

8 boutique. That’s what I recall.

 

9 Q. Okay. And you said he gave you his credit

 

10 card to use?

 

11 A. Yes.

 

12 Q. Did he do that more than once?

 

13 A. He might have, yes.

 

14 Q. And do you recall what you bought with

 

15 Michael Jackson’s credit card?

 

16 A. I know I — I think two handbags.

 

17 Q. Anything else?

 

18 A. Not that I recall, no.

 

19 Q. Okay. How many nights do you recall Mr.

 

20 Jackson staying at your house?

 

21 A. To the best of my recollection, 30 nights.

 

22 Q. And approximately what time period was that,

 

23 if you know?

 

24 A. Beginning the middle of April till the end

25 of May.

 

26 Q. Were you at your house on every evening that

 

27 Michael Jackson stayed over?

 

28 A. Yes. 5678

 

1 Q. You said something to the effect, I believe,

 

2 that Mr. Jackson would leave during the day?

 

3 A. Correct.

 

4 Q. Do you know where he went?

 

5 A. Not really. I —

 

6 Q. Did you ever ask him?

 

7 A. Sometimes.

 

8 Q. Okay. And where did he tell you he was

 

9 going?

 

10 A. Going home.

 

11 Q. To Neverland?

 

12 A. Working. No, not to Neverland. I think his

 

13 hideout, to his place that he calls “The Hideout” in

 

14 Century City.

 

15 Q. That’s the place you visited, correct?

 

16 A. Correct.

 

17 Q. How many times were you at that apartment?

 

18 A. Approximately three or four times.

 

19 Q. Okay. When you went to the apartment that

 

20 you’ve described as Michael Jackson’s hideout, were

 

21 you always with your son?

 

22 A. Yes.

 

23 Q. Were you ever with anyone else?

 

24 A. Not that I recall.

Here are June’s recollections of her interactions with Brett Barnes and Wade Robeson:

25 Q. Okay. You indicated you met someone named

 

26 Brett Barnes at Neverland, right?

 

27 A. Correct.

 

28 Q. Do you know when you first met him? 5679

 

1 A. It could have been the second time that we

 

2 were going to Neverland.

 

3 Q. And he was actually in the limousine that

 

4 Michael Jackson sent to pick you up, right?

 

5 A. Correct.

 

6 Q. Was that the first time you had met him?

 

7 A. Yes.

 

8 Q. Okay. Was that the trip you went to

 

9 Disneyland?

 

10 A. It could be, yes.

 

11 Q. And was Brett Barnes with you on that trip?

 

12 A. I would assume so. I’m — I don’t recall.

 

13 Q. Do you know if his mother was there on that

 

14 trip?

 

15 A. No.

 

16 Q. So it was you, Michael Jackson, your two

 

17 children, and Brett, right?

 

18 A. Perhaps Brett.

 

19 Q. You’re not sure?

 

20 A. Exactly.

 

21 Q. Did you go back to Neverland after the trip

 

22 to Disneyland?

 

23 A. I don’t recall.

 

24 Q. Okay. You indicated you met someone named

 

25 Joy, right?

 

26 A. Correct.

 

27 Q. And when did you meet someone named Joy?

 

28 A. Later on, in — could be May. April or May. 5680

 

1 Q. And where did you meet her?

 

2 A. At Neverland.

 

3 Q. Okay. Was she staying there when you stayed

 

4 there?

 

5 A. Yes.

 

6 Q. And did she have a son, to your knowledge?

 

7 A. Yes, she did.

 

8 Q. And who was that?

 

9 A. Wade.

 

10 Q. Okay. How often did you see Joy Robeson and

 

11 Wade Robeson at Neverland?

 

12 A. I remember seeing Joy once. And Wade, I —

 

13 it could be a few times. I don’t recall.

 

14 Q. When you were at Neverland at the same time

 

15 that they were there, did you associate with them?

 

16 A. Yes.

 

17 Q. Okay. And what did you do with them?

 

18 A. I had dinner with Joy, where we talked. And

 

19 with Wade, if we went — if there was a movie

 

20 playing, I guess he was with us also.

Mesereau needed to dispel the prosecution’s assertion that Jackson’s only reason for spending the night at June’s home was to be close to Jordan, so he had her confirm that she and her entire family routinely ate dinner with Jackson, not just Jordan.  

21 Q. When Michael Jackson used to stay at your

 

22 home, were you in the middle of a divorce

 

23 proceeding?

 

24 A. No.

 

25 Q. Were you separated?

 

26 A. Yes.

 

27 Q. Did you used to discuss your problems with

 

28 David Schwartz with Michael Jackson? 5681

 

1 A. Yes.

 

2 Q. You actually had a lot of discussions,

 

3 didn’t you?

 

4 A. Not a lot.

 

5 Q. You told him it was a poor relationship,

 

6 didn’t you?

 

7 A. What was a poor relationship?

 

8 Q. Your relationship with David Schwartz.

 

9 A. I told whom? I’m sorry.

 

10 Q. Michael Jackson.

 

11 A. Oh. No. I — I don’t — I didn’t get into

 

12 my relationship about David Schwartz to Michael.

 

13 Q. So you never discussed it with Michael

 

14 Jackson?

 

15 A. I just said that we were separated and these

 

16 were not wonderful times for us.

 

17 Q. And you would discuss with him from time to

 

18 time the problems you were having, wouldn’t you?

 

19 A. No. No, I wouldn’t.

 

20 MR. SNEDDON: Object as irrelevant, Your

 

21 Honor, not to mention hearsay.

 

22 THE COURT: Overruled. The answer was,

 

23 “No.” Next question.

 

24 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: During those 30 nights

 

25 that Michael Jackson stayed at your house, did he

 

26 have dinner at your house?

 

27 A. Yes.

 

28 Q. And was it usually you, he, your son and 5682

 

1 daughter at dinner?

 

2 A. At times.

 

3 Q. Who else would join you for dinner?

 

4 A. That’s it.

Now, Mesereau is about to question June about the trip to Vegas where she confronted Jackson about Jordan sleeping in his room without her permission, and you’ll see that there is some interesting information that Sneddon intentionally left out of his direct examination (primarily the fact that she never suspected any improper conduct by Jackson towards Jordan):

5 Q. Did you ever have dinner yourself, without

 

6 your children, just with Michael Jackson?

 

7 A. No.

 

8 Q. Have you ever traveled with Michael Jackson

 

9 without your children?

 

10 A. No.

 

11 Q. When did you go to Las Vegas with Michael

 

12 Jackson?

 

13 A. Around the end of March.

 

14 Q. And what was the purpose of that trip?

 

15 A. I guess Steve Wynn, the owner of the Mirage

 

16 Hotel, invited Michael to come and stay and vacation

 

17 in Las Vegas for a few days.

 

18 Q. And did you meet Mr. Wynn while you were

 

19 there?

 

20 A. Yes, I did.

 

21 Q. How long were you in Las Vegas for that

 

22 trip?

 

23 A. Two or three nights.

 

24 Q. And again, how did you get there?

 

25 A. Steve Wynn’s jet.

 

26 Q. And did his jet take you back home

 

27 afterwards?

 

28 A. Yes. 5683

 

1 Q. All right. When you went to Las Vegas on

 

2 Steve Wynn’s jet, had Michael Jackson begun to stay

 

3 over at your home?

 

4 A. No.

 

5 Q. Did Michael Jackson begin to stay at your

 

6 home after that trip to Las Vegas?

 

7 A. Yes.

 

8 Q. Now, did you travel with Michael Jackson to

 

9 any other cities in America during this period of

 

10 time?

 

11 A. Yes.

 

12 Q. Where did you travel to?

 

13 A. To Florida and New York.

 

14 Q. Was that Orlando, Florida?

 

15 A. Correct.

 

16 Q. And when did that trip happen,

 

17 approximately?

 

18 A. Oh, approximately April, I guess.

 

19 Q. And what was the purpose of that trip, if

 

20 you know?

 

21 A. To go to Disney World.

 

22 Q. Did you do that?

 

23 A. Yes, we did.

 

24 Q. How long a trip was that?

 

25 A. A couple of days.

26 Q. And then did you come back?

 

27 A. Yes.

 

28 Q. The rooms in your hotel, describe the rooms, 5684

 

1 if you would.

 

2 A. I don’t remember The Grand Floridian, what

 

3 the rooms were like.

 

4 Q. And did you have your own room?

 

5 A. Yes.

 

6 Q. Did Michael Jackson have his own room?

 

7 A. Yes, he did.

 

8 Q. And did your children have their own room?

 

9 A. I’m not sure.

 

10 Q. Do you know where your children stayed?

 

11 A. Yes.

 

12 Q. Where did they stay?

 

13 A. Jordie, my son, stayed with Michael, and

 

14 Lily stayed with me.

 

15 Q. And did you ever object, during that trip,

 

16 to your son staying with Michael?

 

17 A. No.

 

18 Q. You never suspected anything improper was

 

19 going on on that trip, correct?

 

20 A. Correct.

Mesereau pivoted to the topic of Neverland and children who hung out there, in order to give the jurors the correct impression of Jackson’s interactions with them. June testified that the reason Jordan asked to sleep in Jackson’s bedroom (and not the other way around!) during the third visit is because there were so many other children (boys AND girls) who hung out in his bedroom.

Also, pay attention to Mesereau’s question regarding the dissimilarities between Jordan Chandler’s and Macaulay Culkin’s looks; he wanted to refute the media myth that Jackson had a certain “type” of boy, and that many of his “victims” looked alike:

21 Q. You mentioned some children from New Jersey

 

22 that you met at Neverland, right?

 

23 A. Correct.

 

24 Q. And who were they again?

 

25 A. Frank and Eddie Cascio.

 

26 Q. Okay. And did you ever meet their parents?

 

27 A. No.

 

28 Q. When did you first see them at Neverland? 5685

 

1 A. I don’t recall. Could be the third visit to

 

2 Neverland. Fourth visit.

 

3 Q. When was the first time your son Jordan

 

4 asked if he could sleep with Michael Jackson?

 

5 A. I would say starting the third visit to

 

6 Neverland, second or third visit to Neverland,

 

7 because there were always boys around and staying in

 

8 his bedroom, and why couldn’t he? And that’s when

 

9 he started asking.

 

10 Q. And was it your understanding that there

 

11 were a lot of kids hanging around Michael Jackson’s

 

12 bedroom?

 

13 A. Yes.

 

14 Q. Did you see —

 

15 A. Boys.

 

16 Q. Excuse me. Did you see a lot of kids at

 

17 Neverland while you were there?

 

18 A. A lot of Michael’s —

 

19 MR. SNEDDON: Excuse me.

 

20 Object as to vague.

 

21 MR. MESEREAU: I’ll rephrase it. Let’s go

 

22 through the first trip.

 

23 Q. Did you see a lot of kids at Neverland

 

24 during your first trip?

 

25 A. No.

 

26 Q. Did you see a lot of kids at Neverland

 

27 during your second trip?

 

28 A. No. 5686

 

1 Q. How many other children at Neverland did you

 

2 see on your first trip?

 

3 A. No other kids on the first trip.

 

4 Q. How many kids at Neverland did you see on

 

5 your second trip?

 

6 A. One.

 

7 Q. How about your third trip?

 

8 A. Third — Frank and Eddie Cascio.

 

9 Q. Any other children on the third trip?

 

10 A. It could have been Macaulay Culkin also.

 

11 Q. Okay. Did you meet Macaulay Culkin at

 

12 Neverland?

 

13 A. Yes.

 

14 Q. Macaulay Culkin doesn’t look at all like

 

15 your son, does he?

 

16 A. No.

 

17 Q. Did you meet Macaulay’s parents?

 

18 A. Father.

 

19 Q. At Neverland?

 

20 A. Yes.

 

21 Q. And that was, you think, the third trip?

 

22 A. Could be. Could have been.

 

23 Q. Did you ever see him at Neverland again?

 

24 A. Yes.

 

25 Q. When did you next see Macaulay Culkin at

 

26 Neverland?

 

27 A. Fourth or fifth visit.

 

28 Q. Was anyone else from his family there; do 5687

1 you know?

 

2 A. His brothers were there.

 

3 Q. Okay. Was it your understanding that the

 

4 Culkins were good friends of Michael Jackson?

 

5 A. That Macaulay Culkin was good friends with

 

6 Michael Jackson.

 

7 Q. What about his family? Was it your

 

8 understanding his family were close friends of

 

9 Michael Jackson?

 

10 A. Not close friends.

 

11 Q. Did you really know?

 

12 A. It didn’t appear that they were close

 

13 friends, no.

 

14 Q. Do you know if his parents used to visit

 

15 Neverland?

 

16 A. His father used to visit Neverland with

 

17 Macaulay.

 

18 Q. Did you hang out with them when you were at

 

19 Neverland?

 

20 A. Did I hang out with —

 

21 Q. The Culkins.

 

22 A. No.

 

23 Q. Then how would you know whether or not they

 

24 were close with Michael Jackson?

 

25 MR. SNEDDON: Your Honor, I’m going to

 

26 object as argumentative.

 

27 THE COURT: Sustained.

To be continued: https://michaeljacksonvindication2.wordpress.com/2013/01/06/april-11th-2005-trial-analysis-bob-jones-stacy-brown-june-chandler-and-dwayne-swingler-part-3-of-4/